Fortinbras
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acidspunk said:
It's horrible. I hope I can avoid these things while playing through the career of GT5. :lol
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Forza 3 vs Gran Turismo 5 Comparison Thread of John, Chapter 11, Verse 35
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It's horrible. I hope I can avoid these things while playing through the career of GT5. :lol
XiaNaphryz said:
Well I would disagree but I can see where there are some issues. I think the steering and FFB are top notch. Clutch support is very poor and they added some restrictions to not give clutch users too much of an advantage. Vehicle weight transfer is great. I need to race more in other modes, but overall I'd rather play in GT's racing world than Forza even with the clutch restrictions.
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
I was referring more to the types who scoff that any PC sim can be even considered in the same league as a GT game in terms of driving model.Yoritomo said:
Zombie James
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skybaby said:
Unlockable at level 20, I think.
After many many hours with Forza and now 9 hours in GT5, I can honestly say my opinion is GT5 pisses all over Forza. The driving is the best of any game I've played, period. I got tired after a couple hours playing Forza and I now realise it was because I never felt 100% in control of the cars with pad, (Active steering maybe?) whereas I've just put a 5 hour stint into GT5 without barely blinking.
Also why does my version of GT5 look nothing like what's in the screenshots that keep getting posted in here?
Also why does my version of GT5 look nothing like what's in the screenshots that keep getting posted in here?
Lion Heart
Banned
a1m said:
I haven't played forza 3 but I've posted here. ALthough I never claimed one game is better than the other, just giving some of my opinions on GT5.
XiaNaphryz
LATIN, MATRIPEDICABUS, DO YOU SPEAK IT
The thread has hardly been one-sided over its lifetime.a1m said:
drugstore_cowboy
Member
Played both, love them for different reasons and both piss me off in one way or another.
tbfh there's not a bad screenshot nor anything someone could say to make me prefer one over the other.
tbfh there's not a bad screenshot nor anything someone could say to make me prefer one over the other.
Metalmurphy
Member
Shocked on 3 accounts with GT5:
1st: Inconsistancies in the visuals. They go from absolutely mind-blowing to WTF is this Shit/Piccard. One thing overall though that's incredible nearly at all times though is the lighting. They really are untouched with this.
2nd: Sound. The PS3 is hands down the most capable console for audio lovers, and they did not cater to this at all. I mean, it sounds "good" enough, but I'm shocked KY didn't go all perfectionist on this. Sure, I think it's unrealistic still at this point to have every car recorded via dyno, all of them, with and without mods, but they lack oomph, especially the exhaust notes.
3rd: The physics. This is shocked in a good sense. They really revamped them around even since Prologue, and it's the clear cut winner in this regard. It's amazing to drive in this game.
1st: Inconsistancies in the visuals. They go from absolutely mind-blowing to WTF is this Shit/Piccard. One thing overall though that's incredible nearly at all times though is the lighting. They really are untouched with this.
2nd: Sound. The PS3 is hands down the most capable console for audio lovers, and they did not cater to this at all. I mean, it sounds "good" enough, but I'm shocked KY didn't go all perfectionist on this. Sure, I think it's unrealistic still at this point to have every car recorded via dyno, all of them, with and without mods, but they lack oomph, especially the exhaust notes.
3rd: The physics. This is shocked in a good sense. They really revamped them around even since Prologue, and it's the clear cut winner in this regard. It's amazing to drive in this game.
Metalmurphy
Member
skybaby said:
It's lvl 10 I think. Either way a Patch is coming in December to change that. You'll be able to enable it for lower levels and all modes.
Lord Error
Insane For Sony
It's pointless to have this because the games are not released at or around the same time. We have no way to know what FM3 would score if it was released today, so something like those head to head comparisons or impressions from people playing both, is the only thing that gives you any comparable information.RSTEIN said:
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Lord Error said:
It's okey to compare tech of games separated by an year's period but not okey to compare review scores ?
theignoramus
Member
It was fine to compare FM3 to GT5chandoog said:
rologue, which is was two years old at the time. Somehow, I doubt you raised a single objection to that.:lolMetalmurphy said:
woh. Damn. I've gone about driving all bumper car like. Damn you people who want a sim, and want crashes! the fuck is wrong with you? And what about those people, zooming into standard cars till you're blue in the face, and then like 'omg' this standard cars look so standard and not premium, urgh, my eyes, why do I do this to my self, *zooms in again* omg this is so ugly. If only somebody had told me about these standard cars. I best go out into the world and spread this news, that nobody has heard like. Ever. Ever. I cannot let this lie lie. For Forza, I shall fight!
disclaimer. This poster has shares in Polyphony Digital.
just cause I'm in this thread: the above comment is not serious. Polyphony Digital are not on the stock market, and even if they were I wouldn't buy their shares; their games make people sick-sick I tell you! also, I have vested interests in Turn 10.
edit: there that should confuse enough people... :lol
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
theignoramus said:It was fine to compare FM3 to GT5
That's what I just said, if it's okey to compare some aspects, should be okey to compare others too ..
In all my time with GT5 (2 days :lol) I've never seen anything close to as bad as the models in those pics above.
Regardless, this thread is as entertaining as always. I love how it doesn't matter whether it's Forza or GT, there's always going to be people posting the most unflattering captures they can find, as if they're trying to find the holy grail that will convince people their preferred game is the wrong choice.
I bought Forza 3 and GT5 on day one. What I hated about Forza 3 was the way certain compromises were made. Take photo mode, for example. Forza 3 has some great looking cars, and a pretty decent photo mode. But then it feels like some exec stepped in and said "but wait! We need to incentivize more people to pay for a gold subscription. Let's make it so the only way to get access to the photos for display elsewhere is to get them off of our online server. Oh by the way, we don't want to pay for the space and bandwidth to store super high quality photos, so you're going to have to compress them to shit as well."
GT5 feels like an exercise in pure passion for cars and motorsport, and of course isn't without its flaws. But when I play this game, it feels like the only thing holding them back was time. I just have more fun driving and playing this game than I ever had in Forza 3, and it looks like I'll have more fun online too. No amount of crappy screenshots is going to make me "see the light" any more than that crap made Forza enthusiasts "see the light" back when it launched.
Regardless, this thread is as entertaining as always. I love how it doesn't matter whether it's Forza or GT, there's always going to be people posting the most unflattering captures they can find, as if they're trying to find the holy grail that will convince people their preferred game is the wrong choice.
I bought Forza 3 and GT5 on day one. What I hated about Forza 3 was the way certain compromises were made. Take photo mode, for example. Forza 3 has some great looking cars, and a pretty decent photo mode. But then it feels like some exec stepped in and said "but wait! We need to incentivize more people to pay for a gold subscription. Let's make it so the only way to get access to the photos for display elsewhere is to get them off of our online server. Oh by the way, we don't want to pay for the space and bandwidth to store super high quality photos, so you're going to have to compress them to shit as well."
GT5 feels like an exercise in pure passion for cars and motorsport, and of course isn't without its flaws. But when I play this game, it feels like the only thing holding them back was time. I just have more fun driving and playing this game than I ever had in Forza 3, and it looks like I'll have more fun online too. No amount of crappy screenshots is going to make me "see the light" any more than that crap made Forza enthusiasts "see the light" back when it launched.
enzo_gt said:
Oh wait, a new way to play a driving rpg? mind boggling stuff! And people thought developers had to dumb down for casuals!
This is a sim; you ain't supposed to crash bro...
tbh mech damage is dissapointing, some people are saying they won't come in, whilst others are saying they come in small measures...
babyghost853
Member
I watched this thread from the beginning and now it has come to this, this isn't a rant but more of my honest opinion, and I'm not going to shoot from the hip. I'm awping bitches.
First up: Kaz.
With all due respect to the creator of a series I have loved for many generations. Standard cars and tracks should have been left on the cutting room floor until they were up to premium level and made available as dlc, the game would feel more polished without them. It must have been a tough decision to include or not include them but IMO he made the wrong choice. Thank god I am not sensitive to frame drops or screen tear, but there are those who are and this should have been fixed. The game is still good enough IMO the deserve a 9/10 but no more than that in it's current state.
Next up: Forza fans.
All arguments in this area are subjective, before I move on and someone ask for my gamertag, I do not have an xbox, but I have played enough of these games to form an opinion. Alot of my friends have 360's, I have just never been the kind to follow the flock. I refuse to pay to play online, maybe because I have always had a good pc and I'm spoiled by the fact that I never had to do it there or anywhere else. Pay to play online = fuck off MS.
Now to my point, Forza has always felt too (some-thing's not right) for my taste, I don't know what it is or what to call it. But it just never felt right, even more so with F3. I do find it funny that the Forza fans are avoiding talking about the physics of the game now. But with 1 and 2 it was all, oh Forza has better physics (subjective), GT has better graphics (mostly due to better lighting) but Forza has better physics and we don't play sims for the graphics (subjective). But now that they can compare standard cars to Forza 3's models suddenly they do care about the graphics.
Next: Reviewers.
To all the reviewers who play a sim with a chase cam. Fuck off please. The only views that should be use in a sim are bumper, hood and cockpit. I can only laugh at reviewers who want to talk/bash/whine about physics of a sim only to use the arcady chase cam view. The whole point of a sim is the strive for realism, to be as close to it as you can with the given game, there is no chase cam when I drive my car in real life. Gamers are free to chose how they want to play but as a reviewer you are obligated to use the view that gets you as close to being in a real car as possible. If you use a chase cam you have no right to review a sim. If you gave game this game a 10 piss off (it's not perfect), if you gave it less than 8 piss off (it's not that bad), if you are che piss off, you have done nothing good for the Forza community and only make people like me not want to touch the game.
Next: This thread.
It's been a fun ride and many posters have reviled their true colours/colors. Many fans are delusional on both sides and as with many threads on gaf unless you have stock in whatever, why should you give a fuck? Enjoy what you like, if you don't like it move on.
Final score on thread 8/10.
First up: Kaz.
With all due respect to the creator of a series I have loved for many generations. Standard cars and tracks should have been left on the cutting room floor until they were up to premium level and made available as dlc, the game would feel more polished without them. It must have been a tough decision to include or not include them but IMO he made the wrong choice. Thank god I am not sensitive to frame drops or screen tear, but there are those who are and this should have been fixed. The game is still good enough IMO the deserve a 9/10 but no more than that in it's current state.
Next up: Forza fans.
All arguments in this area are subjective, before I move on and someone ask for my gamertag, I do not have an xbox, but I have played enough of these games to form an opinion. Alot of my friends have 360's, I have just never been the kind to follow the flock. I refuse to pay to play online, maybe because I have always had a good pc and I'm spoiled by the fact that I never had to do it there or anywhere else. Pay to play online = fuck off MS.
Now to my point, Forza has always felt too (some-thing's not right) for my taste, I don't know what it is or what to call it. But it just never felt right, even more so with F3. I do find it funny that the Forza fans are avoiding talking about the physics of the game now. But with 1 and 2 it was all, oh Forza has better physics (subjective), GT has better graphics (mostly due to better lighting) but Forza has better physics and we don't play sims for the graphics (subjective). But now that they can compare standard cars to Forza 3's models suddenly they do care about the graphics.
Next: Reviewers.
To all the reviewers who play a sim with a chase cam. Fuck off please. The only views that should be use in a sim are bumper, hood and cockpit. I can only laugh at reviewers who want to talk/bash/whine about physics of a sim only to use the arcady chase cam view. The whole point of a sim is the strive for realism, to be as close to it as you can with the given game, there is no chase cam when I drive my car in real life. Gamers are free to chose how they want to play but as a reviewer you are obligated to use the view that gets you as close to being in a real car as possible. If you use a chase cam you have no right to review a sim. If you gave game this game a 10 piss off (it's not perfect), if you gave it less than 8 piss off (it's not that bad), if you are che piss off, you have done nothing good for the Forza community and only make people like me not want to touch the game.
Next: This thread.
It's been a fun ride and many posters have reviled their true colours/colors. Many fans are delusional on both sides and as with many threads on gaf unless you have stock in whatever, why should you give a fuck? Enjoy what you like, if you don't like it move on.
Final score on thread 8/10.
Death Dealer
Member
So why are bumper and hood views ok but not a chase cam ? Logically, cockpit is the only proper view in a car sim. FWIW, I like chase cam sometimes. It shows off the exterior of the car the best.
Windom Earle
Member
Gowans007 said:
I have. I don't care about painting my cars, I buy racing sims for pure racing. After my third day with GT5 I have to say that it's very superior in that regard. Top Gear Challenge 2 - OH MY FUCKING GOD! Best racing experience I've had in a VERY VERY long time
. You guys don't know what you're missing out with those fanboy glasses on!Yeah, I'm out for real this time. Before people start quoting me from this thread and stuff...
my own opinion... a mini review if you will.
Forza is the King of the sim this gen, on console, even though my view is that Gt5 is the better sim. Doesn't matter how you phrase it, metacritic has settled it. That argument is over.
Gt5 is fresher in my mind and the main topic of conversation so I think I'll look at that now.
I've joked and stuff, but when I'm back to being my old best, I would like to be a clean racer; damage should be in and be realistic, and both fail in this regard. The damage on forza is really not worth bragging about, why it's fans hold that model up, I've no idea. I've seen evidence on Gt5 that it can be completely and utterly to my satisfaction, but for whatever reason, it isn't that on quite a number of cars.
The standard versus premium thing just goes to show, that people genuinely care more about looks than they let on sometimes. It's part of the allure of a car; how she looks; so I'm disappointed that there were not 1000 premiums cars, but I still think it was the right decision, as a fan of how cars drive first, and look second to include this. Those are my priorities. Example: I've never driven a Veyron in real life, and let's be realistic, I'm never going to be rich enough for that pleasure; so I'm glad that made it into this game even though it was standard. Now, I know it drives like shit.
This game needs a lot more polish I think. I think by the end of the dev cycle they'll have GOW3 MLAA, and that should help with that. But I do love that it is pushing the limits, instead of just staying within its limits. I like that they included as much as possible, rather then do what people suggested. If this game was forza 3 in Gt5's skin, this game would be so much more worse off I think. That's both commendable and criticism worthy.
I think rpg damage was big lol, but I'm liking it thus far. I was so very rusty, and actually glad that I could bumper car through the first few races. The leveling up in this game is insanely addictive. People havng menu problems with the clutter and all... This is just cognitive dissonance to me... I have several browers open, six or seven tabs, youtube, open office, facebook, opera, and mozilla. This game is big sure, but it ain't that big. At least not for me. I actually like Forza's one to, though having more things accessible at once is pretty good to me too.
For some reason, I was half-dreaming that gt5 had an xmb style interface; which actually would have been so awesome. The menu's take so long to load sometimes, that I think more is happening in the background then we give credit for.
I haven't been online yet, so that's my next port of call. Anyways, good luck with this thread. It is so unlike any other part of gaf, that I think, it will be nuked within a few weeks anyway.
ps. I think the screen tear tests by them selves are very informative on some levels, but the comparison to each other is just foolish on other levels. They really are not doing the same amount of things on screen. It would have been worthy if it was the same game, like need for speed on x360 and ps3, forza on x360 and ps3, or gt5 on x360 or ps3.
my own opinion... a mini review if you will.
Forza is the King of the sim this gen, on console, even though my view is that Gt5 is the better sim. Doesn't matter how you phrase it, metacritic has settled it. That argument is over.
Gt5 is fresher in my mind and the main topic of conversation so I think I'll look at that now.
I've joked and stuff, but when I'm back to being my old best, I would like to be a clean racer; damage should be in and be realistic, and both fail in this regard. The damage on forza is really not worth bragging about, why it's fans hold that model up, I've no idea. I've seen evidence on Gt5 that it can be completely and utterly to my satisfaction, but for whatever reason, it isn't that on quite a number of cars.
The standard versus premium thing just goes to show, that people genuinely care more about looks than they let on sometimes. It's part of the allure of a car; how she looks; so I'm disappointed that there were not 1000 premiums cars, but I still think it was the right decision, as a fan of how cars drive first, and look second to include this. Those are my priorities. Example: I've never driven a Veyron in real life, and let's be realistic, I'm never going to be rich enough for that pleasure; so I'm glad that made it into this game even though it was standard. Now, I know it drives like shit.
This game needs a lot more polish I think. I think by the end of the dev cycle they'll have GOW3 MLAA, and that should help with that. But I do love that it is pushing the limits, instead of just staying within its limits. I like that they included as much as possible, rather then do what people suggested. If this game was forza 3 in Gt5's skin, this game would be so much more worse off I think. That's both commendable and criticism worthy.
I think rpg damage was big lol, but I'm liking it thus far. I was so very rusty, and actually glad that I could bumper car through the first few races. The leveling up in this game is insanely addictive. People havng menu problems with the clutter and all... This is just cognitive dissonance to me... I have several browers open, six or seven tabs, youtube, open office, facebook, opera, and mozilla. This game is big sure, but it ain't that big. At least not for me. I actually like Forza's one to, though having more things accessible at once is pretty good to me too.
For some reason, I was half-dreaming that gt5 had an xmb style interface; which actually would have been so awesome. The menu's take so long to load sometimes, that I think more is happening in the background then we give credit for.
I haven't been online yet, so that's my next port of call. Anyways, good luck with this thread. It is so unlike any other part of gaf, that I think, it will be nuked within a few weeks anyway.
ps. I think the screen tear tests by them selves are very informative on some levels, but the comparison to each other is just foolish on other levels. They really are not doing the same amount of things on screen. It would have been worthy if it was the same game, like need for speed on x360 and ps3, forza on x360 and ps3, or gt5 on x360 or ps3.
painful fart
Member
You are far too generous and your post is too senseble for this thread, so fuck off.babyghost853 said:
fistwell_old
Member
yeah i have i'm rad like that yeah so whatGowans007 said: