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[ShogunX]

lol @ questioning Gamersyde quality

what strong johns will these defense forces think of next

To be fair Gamersyde are normally one of the best place's around in terms of high resolution quality videos and screenshots but in this case its obvious to anybody with a functioning eyeball (you don't even need two) that there's something seriously wrong with the compression in the Gamersyde screens.

Its an absolute artifact/jaggy fest. The screens do not in anyway represent what anybody who has played the demo for themselves has seen visually. It's that simple.

 

[Doc Evils]

FINISH HIM!

720p/60fps
http://ruliwebfile.nate.com/mpeg4/scek/ruliweb_gt4pkor_ferrari_ps3hd.wmv
http://ruliwebfile.nate.com/mpeg4/scek/ruliweb_gt4pkor_01_ps3hd.wmv
http://ruliwebfile.nate.com/mpeg4/scek/ruliweb_gt4pkor_02_ps3hd.wmv
http://ruliwebfile.nate.com/mpeg4/scek/ruliweb_gt4pkor_03_ps3hd.wmv
http://ruliwebfile.nate.com/mpeg4/scek/ruliweb_gt4pkor_04_ps3hd.wmv

FATALITY!

 

[belvedere]

pics

And that about does it.

No one is saying one game has to end up complete crap if the other one excels in a certain area. They both can have their own strengths. One thing GT5 excels at is visuals. The difference (lighting especially), is significant enough to see clearly. This doesn't mean FM3 is shit, and it shouldn't be taboo to say so.

 

[cyberheater]

There you go Slayer, 720p directfeed pictures. 4XAA sure is nice.

What's with the N64 SM64 2D trees and super low resolution shadows in car???

 

[Slayer-33]

That actually does look pretty nice compared to other shots of gtp I've seen


After seeing the Mercedes gameplay vid I wanted to see more GT5.. It's a shame that it's delayed though.

The Ferrari gameplay vid seemed like the car was way too shiny for my tastes.

 

[belvedere]

What's with the N64 SM64 2D trees and super low resolution shadows in car???

Pre-spec 3. You may be able to get them patched back in though with the right petition, though.

 

[J-Rzez]

I don't know why for the life of me Turn 10 still won't change up the color/lighting. I could've sworn prior pics I've seen that they were making an attempt to make it look better.

Driving IS going to come down to playing both games. Last retail iterations, FM2 vs GT5P, they both did something things better than each other, as far as physics go. So it was a toss up.

The only things that are looking to be "definitive" right now, from what we've seen, and common knowledge, that FM3 will have the better online component unless Sony really sent PD some major help. And, GT5 will have the better looking cars.

 

[2real4tv]

^comparison between the R8 and the bad F3 pic(both F3)...one is in motion the other one isn't. I did not try the demo yet but it looks like the road textures turn into mush when in motion.

 

[BadlyCookedTurkey]

The Ferrari gameplay vid seemed like the car was way too shiny for my tastes.

Would be much better if it was covered in dirt innit. That's how ferrari's come.

 

[skybaby]

The first image has some really bad jpeg compression artifacts. Zoom in with your favorite image editing tool and look around the Ferrari emblem. And none of the edges or panels of the car look clean. Lots of jpeg noise.

In fact, the second image (Gameswire) is only very slightly better (it is a larger file, too). There are artifacts there, too, but not as severe.

The game itself, surprisingly, doesn't include jpeg compression artifacts.

Yeah

 

[belvedere]

Just watched the new FM3 waterfall vid again and have to say that is bad ass. It gives me a RR vibe, in a good way. It's nice to see some extra flair in the backgrounds not featured in most tracks.

Is that track featured in the demo by chance?

 

[ShogunX]

^comparison between the R8 and the bad F3 pic(both F3)...one is in motion the other one isn't. I did not try the demo yet but it looks like the road textures turn into mush when in motion.

Isn't the R8 going 51 MPH though? :lol or am I missing something here (like maybe a brain)?

 

[Ranger X]

Played Prologue and today I played Forza 3 demo. Visually speaking, Prologue wins overall therefore GT5 wins!

.

 

[Eighthours]

It's patently obvious that GT5 will be a better looking game than Forza 3. It's also patently obvious that the online in Forza 3 will walk all over the online in GT5.

As for the racing, well the Forza 3 demo shows that MS's game will perform very strongly in that area, and the Forza series was already well ahead of GT in that regard. The car handling in Forza 3 is a lot better than that in 2 - doesn't feel like a skidpan for starters - so GT5 will have to pull off a monumental effort there to come out on top.

Car porn-wise, GT5 will undoubtedly win, but as a game Forza 3 looks like the obvious winner at the moment.

 

[Piggus]

What's with the N64 SM64 2D trees and super low resolution shadows in car???

I can understand your concern, but have you tried looking at the image as a whole?

I think Forza 3 looks beautiful. I don't have a 360 yet but it's by far the most intriguing game on the system for me. I can't wait to try it out.

With that said, I don't understand how the two games can even be compared when it comes to graphics. GT5 is in a league of its own when it comes to producing a realistic image. You can have all the polygons in the world thrown on screen but it's up to the lighting engine to make it look realistic.

 

[skybaby]

Hey, why did PD promise new physics if GT5p is so perfect already :lol

 

[Slayer-33]

Would be much better if it was covered in dirt innit. That's how ferrari's come.

Yeah because something can't be overdone :lol , post more art.

Here is some road and grass to assist in you in your selective "selections"

 

[jett]

What's with the N64 SM64 2D trees and super low resolution shadows in car???

I dunno buddy, what's with the low resolution self-shadowing next to the front tire in this car???

And how come it shimmers like a motherfucker in this video???

And what's with the huge bitmapped background in this picture???

zomg i dunno :|

 

[deepbrown]

Destructoid's take.

http://www.destructoid.com/tgs-09-forza-motorsport-3-vs-gran-turismo-5-149770.phtml

Lol?

Graphics: Winner, Forza 3? Lol?

And then the talk about there's "No damage, Gran Turismo doesn't do that." - Does he read news? Did he see GamesCom?

Pointless article is pointless and unresearched.

 

[RSTEIN]

It's patently obvious that GT5 will be a better looking game than Forza 3. It's also patently obvious that the online in Forza 3 will walk all over the online in GT5.

As for the racing, well the Forza 3 demo shows that MS's game will perform very strongly in that area, and the Forza series was already well ahead of GT in that regard. The car handling in Forza 3 is a lot better than that in 2 - doesn't feel like a skidpan for starters - so GT5 will have to pull off a monumental effort there to come out on top.

Car porn-wise, GT5 will undoubtedly win, but as a game Forza 3 looks like the obvious winner at the moment.

pretty much my thoughts exactly. Graphics are the least important part of the game... yet this thread is 99% screen caps.

 

[BeeDog]

 

[cgcg]

Maybe I'm going insane but why in Forza 3's replays you can see car interiors with lighter window tint but in gameplay you can barely make out anything?

 

[Creamy]

Oh good, ive been waiting for this thread to somehow make it on N4G.com
http://www.n4g.com/events_tgs2009/NewsCom-400070.aspx?CT=1#Comments

 

[-x.Red.x-]

Destructoid's take.

http://www.destructoid.com/tgs-09-forza-motorsport-3-vs-gran-turismo-5-149770.phtml

Lol?

Graphics: Winner, Forza 3? Lol?

And then the talk about there's "No damage, Gran Turismo doesn't do that." - Does he read news? Did he see GamesCom?

Pointless article is pointless and unresearched.

oh god..
and yet destructoid cries about ps fanboys

 

[Interfectum]

I think we can all agree on one thing.

Forza 3 is definitely not the definitive racing game of this or any gen.

From the jaggy graphics, to the magic carpet physics to the bitmap backgrounds and paint on damage.

If that's definitive for you then :lol

 

[Slayer-33]

Destructoid's take.

http://www.destructoid.com/tgs-09-forza-motorsport-3-vs-gran-turismo-5-149770.phtml

Lol?

Graphics: Winner, Forza 3? Lol?

And then the talk about there's "No damage, Gran Turismo doesn't do that." - Does he read news? Did he see GamesCom?

Pointless article is pointless and unresearched.

"Visuals:
Winner: Forza Motorsport 3
While both games look great on the track, Forza's demo featured a polish that Gran Turismo 5's lacked. The rocky hillsides and lush greenery easily showed up the bland, almost clinical-looking cityscape of Gran Turismo. Driving slow in Gran Turismo is like inviting disappointment. I guess they were hoping you'd always be moving fast enough to not notice the perfectly flat tree and pole textures. Plants and trees on the side of the road look like paper cutouts, and the tree trunks are laughably bad. As far as the vehicle visuals go, neither game disappoints. Both supply unhealthy doses of car porn. The tighter racing action of Forza 3 made it easier to appreciate the models of the cars I raced against, but both pull off amazing feats as far as visuals go. Forza's framerate was liquid smooth, making it a bit easier on the eyes than GT5. "



Ouch.

Graphics are not only tied to the vehicles, its obvious that he liked the environments so whats your confusion?

I think we can all agree on one thing.

Forza 3 is definitely not the definitive racing game of this or any gen.

From the jaggy graphics, to the magic carpet physics to the bitmap backgrounds and paint on damage.

If that's definitive for you then :lol

Bad captures, bad gif missing alot of the frames, a bitmap for a section of the track that has more mountainous 3D rock detail than any countryside picture of GT5 so far :lol anything else?

The level of insecurity is :lol

 

[-x.Red.x-]

Oh good, ive been waiting for this thread to somehow make it on N4G.com
http://www.n4g.com/events_tgs2009/NewsCom-400070.aspx?CT=1#Comments

So wait, it is really a MS employee?
=/

 

[deepbrown]

"Visuals:
Winner: Forza Motorsport 3
While both games look great on the track, Forza's demo featured a polish that Gran Turismo 5's lacked. The rocky hillsides and lush greenery easily showed up the bland, almost clinical-looking cityscape of Gran Turismo. Driving slow in Gran Turismo is like inviting disappointment. I guess they were hoping you'd always be moving fast enough to not notice the perfectly flat tree and pole textures. Plants and trees on the side of the road look like paper cutouts, and the tree trunks are laughably bad. As far as the vehicle visuals go, neither game disappoints. Both supply unhealthy doses of car porn. The tighter racing action of Forza 3 made it easier to appreciate the models of the cars I raced against, but both pull off amazing feats as far as visuals go. Forza's framerate was liquid smooth, making it a bit easier on the eyes than GT5. "

Ouch.

Graphics are not only tied to the vehicles, its obvious that he liked the environments so whats your confusion?

Forza 3 featured more polish...wait. Doesn't it release in one month? Isn't polish added in the latter months?

And when he talks about car models...and can't even say GT5's models are significantly more detailed with better shaders than Forza 3's...well no comment.

 

[Iknos]

I think we can all agree on one thing.

Forza 3 is definitely not the definitive racing game of this or any gen.

From the jaggy graphics, to the magic carpet physics to the bitmap backgrounds and paint on damage.

If that's definitive for you then :lol

Games like rFactor and iRacing are better racing sims than Prologue and FM2...despite having worse graphics.

Graphics don't make a sim. The physics of the car make a sim.

But I'm not surprised at your comment...you want to use these games as a proxy for the console war. Just consider that no one will take your opinion on either game seriously.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

"Visuals:
Winner: Forza Motorsport 3
While both games look great on the track, Forza's demo featured a polish that Gran Turismo 5's lacked. The rocky hillsides and lush greenery easily showed up the bland, almost clinical-looking cityscape of Gran Turismo. Driving slow in Gran Turismo is like inviting disappointment. I guess they were hoping you'd always be moving fast enough to not notice the perfectly flat tree and pole textures. Plants and trees on the side of the road look like paper cutouts, and the tree trunks are laughably bad. As far as the vehicle visuals go, neither game disappoints. Both supply unhealthy doses of car porn. The tighter racing action of Forza 3 made it easier to appreciate the models of the cars I raced against, but both pull off amazing feats as far as visuals go. Forza's framerate was liquid smooth, making it a bit easier on the eyes than GT5. "



Ouch.

Graphics are not only tied to the vehicles, its obvious that he liked the environments so whats your confusion?

Looking at both in motion, GT5P is still better looking than anything I've seen of F3. The scenery does look better in Forza though. Overall it's definitely GT5 which is the graphics king.

 

[Doc Evils]

I think we can all agree on one thing.

Forza 3 is definitely not the definitive racing game of this or any gen.

From the jaggy graphics, to the magic carpet physics to the bitmap backgrounds and paint on damage.

If that's definitive for you then :lol

In case anyone missed it:

 

[shinshero]

Let me know how good GT5 is when you play it in Spring 2012.

Also, 'afraid'? PD is not a human being nor has it feelings.

Umm....You do know GT 5 is coming out in March 2010.

:/

 

[BadlyCookedTurkey]

 

[XiaNaphryz]

Games like rFactor and iRacing are better racing sims than Prologue and FM2...despite having worse graphics.

Graphics don't make a sim. The physics of the car make a sim.

But I'm not surprised at your comment...you want to use these games as a proxy for the console war. Just consider that no one will take your opinion on either game seriously.

Come on now, you know there's absolutely no point in trying to reason with most of the posters in this thread. :lol

 

[KHarvey16]

I think we can all agree on one thing.

Forza 3 is definitely not the definitive racing game of this or any gen.

From the jaggy graphics, to the magic carpet physics to the bitmap backgrounds and paint on damage.

If that's definitive for you then :lol

You should spend less time trolling and more time playing the FM3 demo.

 

[chubigans]

"Visuals:
Winner: Forza Motorsport 3
While both games look great on the track, Forza's demo featured a polish that Gran Turismo 5's lacked. The rocky hillsides and lush greenery easily showed up the bland, almost clinical-looking cityscape of Gran Turismo. Driving slow in Gran Turismo is like inviting disappointment. I guess they were hoping you'd always be moving fast enough to not notice the perfectly flat tree and pole textures. Plants and trees on the side of the road look like paper cutouts, and the tree trunks are laughably bad. As far as the vehicle visuals go, neither game disappoints. Both supply unhealthy doses of car porn. The tighter racing action of Forza 3 made it easier to appreciate the models of the cars I raced against, but both pull off amazing feats as far as visuals go. Forza's framerate was liquid smooth, making it a bit easier on the eyes than GT5. "



Ouch.

Grasslands, I agree, but to say the cityscape is bland? I laugh at Destructoid.

 

[LJ11]

pretty much my thoughts exactly. Graphics are the least important part of the game... yet this thread is 99% screen caps.

This idea that GT5P is so far behind F2 in physics (collisions aside obviously) is greatly exaggerated. I played enough of both and F2 had the edge because of T10's tire model, but you would think there was this vast gap between the two by reading some posts. Even the ISR video that was posted earlier had the two neck and neck in the physics department.

They're both very good at what they do in the physics department.

Continue with the train wreck.

 

[J-Rzez]

Visuals ARE a big deal here to racing fans. They are on the same importance value as the driving itself. Only the retail copies will say what's better here. I'm curious what this new physics engine is that PD is using in GT5. I hope they didn't fuck up the feeling of your vehicle transitioning weight, especially at lower speeds in the twisties.

My God though. 950 cars. 7.1 audio. I got a semi from just looking at how well they did the fucking door jams. Top Gear Test Track is a fucking major win to me lol.

Did Top Gear really say FM3 feels like you're on a "magic carpet" or something? If so, Forza's fate is sealed in EU, lol.

Sony really fucking failed hard with JP March though. Way to fuck up a good thing. And that destructoid article is even harder of failing.

 

[Slayer-33]

In case anyone missed it:

http://i30.tinypic.com/i35cfk.jpg

http://www.gamersyde.com/stream_forza_motorsport_3_press_conference_video_2b-12913_en.html

There's the magic carpet ride, taking a corner @ 33MPH.


next.

 

[SeaOfMadness]

Destructoid's take.

http://www.destructoid.com/tgs-09-forza-motorsport-3-vs-gran-turismo-5-149770.phtml

Lol?

Graphics: Winner, Forza 3? Lol?

And then the talk about there's "No damage, Gran Turismo doesn't do that." - Does he read news? Did he see GamesCom?

Pointless article is pointless and unresearched.

unresearched? you mean like the guy writing it just made shit up?

hmm let's see:

The rocky hillsides and lush greenery easily showed up the bland, almost clinical-looking cityscape of Gran Turismo. Driving slow in Gran Turismo is like inviting disappointment. I guess they were hoping you'd always be moving fast enough to not notice the perfectly flat tree and pole textures. Plants and trees on the side of the road look like paper cutouts, and the tree trunks are laughably bad.

yeah that sounds unresearched to me.

 

[SeaOfMadness]

Grasslands, I agree, but to say the cityscape is bland? I laugh at Destructoid.

the difference is. he's played the game. you haven't. post screenshots all you want. This guy had the game in front of him.

granted, it's not a fair comparison between a shipped game vs. one coming out in 6+ months, but still...

 

[Dina]

Ugh fuck it, I'm out of this thread. Ferrari California is-a waiting.

 

[deepbrown]

unresearched? you mean like the guy writing it just made shit up?

hmm let's see:


yeah that sounds unresearched to me.

If you have to have damage modeling, you want Forza 3. It's just not there in Gran Turismo. While I don't believe that it's a necessity to have damage modeling in a racing game, it is an added bonus. If you play in first-person view like I do, it's fun to see how messed up your vehicle is after a race. Gran Turismo doesn't do that.

Damage is turned off in the TGS demo. Damage was debuted at GamesCom, with a bunch of videos. It was said that this was only the early damage model as they wanted to tweak it...why did they remove the damage for TGS? Because they don't want people saying it's not what they envisioned...because it's still being worked on.

And despite all that.

We don't have comments like "in the GT5 TGS demo, there didn't appear to be damage, despite it being in the GamesCom demo"...

No, we get "Gran Turismo doesn't do that." "It's just not there in Gran Turismo." - and it takes up a whole paragraph of his gameplay section. Unresearched? Oh yes. "I'm a big Gran Turismo fan"? Bollocks.

 

[Kaako]

Slayer-33 in Bankai mode.

 

[LiquidMetal14]

the difference is. he's played the game. you haven't. post screenshots all you want. This guy had the game in front of him.

granted, it's not a fair comparison between a shipped game vs. one coming out in 6+ months, but still...

He's one of the only one's who's said such a thing. I think anyone can see GT is visually better.

 

[deepbrown]

the difference is. he's played the game. you haven't. post screenshots all you want. This guy had the game in front of him.

granted, it's not a fair comparison between a shipped game vs. one coming out in 6+ months, but still...

How about we watch the gameplay footage released, or say...play its "demo" that had 1 year less dev...GT5P?

 

[KHarvey16]

Damage is turned off in the TGS demo. Damage was debuted at GamesCom, with a bunch of videos. It was said that this was only the early damage model as they tweaked it...why did they remove the damage? Because they don't want people saying it's not what they envisioned...because it's still being worked on.

And despite all that.

We don't have comments like "in the GT5 TGS demo, there didn't appear to be damage, despite it being in the GamesCom demo".

No, we get "Gran Turismo doesn't do that." "It's just not there in Gran Turismo." - and it takes up a whole paragraph of his gameplay section. Unresearched? Oh yes. "I'm a big Gran Turismo fan"? Bollocks.

You must have missed this:

As you read on, keep in mind that we're not comparing the games themselves as much as we are the demos shown on the TGS floor.

Reading is important.

 

[Chrange]

Grasslands, I agree, but to say the cityscape is bland? I laugh at Destructoid.

He's talking about the two demos they had available. Maybe they didn't include photomode in the demo?

 

[Slayer-33]

the difference is. he's played the game. you haven't. post screenshots all you want. This guy had the game in front of him.

granted, it's not a fair comparison between a shipped game vs. one coming out in 6+ months, but still...

@destructoid & top gear gif

Criticism of a journalist gaming website (and someone who has played both demos GT5/FM3) against GT 5 is bad , a criticism of FM3 by a Top Gear hit job lol) is a relevant and unquestioned matter.


-misconstrued you sea, my bad-

:lol

Sony should release their tgs demo it doesn't seem bad at all. Maybe by Xmas or on FM3's ship date they'll release a playable demo on PSN.

 

[Iknos]

Visuals ARE a big deal here to racing fans. They are on the same importance value as the driving itself.

If this was the case Gran Turismo would be considered the best driving sim.

Did Top Gear really say FM3 feels like you're on a "magic carpet" or something? If so, Forza's fate is sealed in EU, lol.

No that's a quote falsely attributed to Top Gear.

Most of the arguments here against Forza aren't really founded on anything substantial.