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[Xun]

Speaking of Green Valley.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9eagsBLQl68 (1:40 in)

Has anyone noticed the weird issue with the far lamp post before? The shadow changes just as you're approaching it.

It always takes my eye ever since I noticed it.

 

[Shaneus]

God, I LOVED that time back at the GT5 launch.

"Where damage?"
"You have to unlock it."
"Where's mechanical damage?"
"You have to unlock it"
Never gets to unlock it.

At least you can't accuse T10 of releasing an incomplete game. At least, based on what is advertised (save for the 900 degree steering).

LOL

Kinda agree. I remember not being blown away by GT5 until I was at least an hour or two into it (after I got out of the menus, trololol). Not to the point where I though thought it was a PS2 game though, obviously. Forza does a better job of putting all its cards on the table earlier on, IMO... especially with Autovista and the homespaces.

 

[statham]

GT5 fans are ignoring reviews scores, and 60 FPS, two things they pushed until GT5. that cause the collapse of the game industry.

please join OGT. maybe if we are loud enough we can make a difference,.. puts up sign "we are not <60fps", we are the "60 FPS's!"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[tranciful]

experiment: the car in the backwards forza/GT5 video, the forza guy turns on his brakes before the car hits him, but the GT5 car doesn't hit the breaks. would like to see gif both ways. maybe the forza car sees the car breaking and not backwards and maybe thats why they hit them, where the GT5 car doesn't break so they try to move around him.

I assume he put the brakes on to prevent being pushed off the track (so that the next cars still had something to avoid). My guess is he did it without the brakes before, got knocked off the track, and decided the footage was less valuable because most of the AI cars didn't need to avoid anything.

 

[The Stealth Fox]

Clear evidence of GT5s AI surpassing its competitors? NOPE TOO ROBOTIC, DOESNT HAPPEN ENOUGH (yet every time I play I see good overtaking procedure).

Better lighting, something its competitors can't get right? NOPE 60 FPS

The ability to drive without assists, something it's main competitor doesn't have? NOPE, ASSISTS DON'T MATTER

No severe modelling errors? NOPE, MODELS DONT MATTER IN A SIM

OH YEAH AND METACRITIC

I assume he put the brakes on to prevent being pushed off the track (so that the next cars still had something to avoid). My guess is he did it without the brakes before, got knocked off the track, and decided the footage was less valuable because most of the AI cars didn't need to avoid anything.

That's exactly why he did it.

 

[test_account]

GT5 fans are ignoring reviews scores, and 60 FPS, two things they pushed until GT5. that cause the collapse of the game industry.

please join OGT. maybe if we are loud enough we can make a difference,.. puts up sign "we are not <60fps", we are the "60 FPS's!"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GT5 fans pushed GT5 review score before it was reviewed? Hehe Personally i actually ignore most review score, ignore it in the way that i almost never buy my games based on review scores.

 

[commedieu]

GT5 fans are ignoring reviews scores, and 60 FPS, two things they pushed until GT5. that cause the collapse of the game industry.

please join OGT. maybe if we are loud enough we can make a difference,.. puts up sign "we are not <60fps", we are the "60 FPS's!"!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And forza fans are ignoring the fact that their sim doesn't sim since it has perm assists on, incorrect car models, tracks, impossible drivetrain swaps but runs at 60 fps..as opposed to 55fps@a higher resolution...

So I'm fine with accepting that I can see that GT5 has better visuals & sim over Forza, and disregarding a review agreeing that GT5 is a better sim, but took too long to come out. so 8/10.

Most people did as well, which is why Forza's sales have always been lower than GT's demo's for example.

Now, thats not to say that sales > good game. But GT5's factual specs/features/sim in addition to a worldwide audience with a smaller PS3 userbase buying it, is a one off examples of reviewers not really hitting the mark.

Forza fanboys will always spin anything. But you can't really spin the fact that GT doesn't have a perm assist on, doesn't reduce the visuals to keep 60fps, and is fine at 55fps under a heavy load.

I'd laugh, but its not even funny at this point. Maybe F5 will have a better chance.

 

[statham]

I assume he put the brakes on to prevent being pushed off the track (so that the next cars still had something to avoid). My guess is he did it without the brakes before, got knocked off the track, and decided the footage was less valuable because most of the AI cars didn't need to avoid anything.

I agree with you, but atleast put up two same videos. this video could be accurate but without the same situations we can't tell.

 

[Angst]

Funny (and true story):

according to metacritic the best racing games ever made are:

1. Gran Turismo 3
2. NFS Shift


GT3 was pretty good, but both GT4 and GT5 are (all IMO) much better games. And NFS Shift is the biggest piece of shit racing game ever made.

So, review scores are not something I put much stock in when buying a game.

 

[statham]

And forza fans are ignoring the fact that their sim doesn't sim since it has perm assists on, incorrect car models, tracks, impossible drivetrain swaps but runs at 60 fps..as opposed to 55fps@a higher resolution...

So I'm fine with accepting that I can see that GT5 has better visuals & sim over Forza, and disregarding a review agreeing that GT5 is a better sim, but took too long to come out. so 8/10.

Most people did as well, which is why Forza's sales have always been lower than GT's demo's for example.

Now, thats not to say that sales > good game. But GT5's factual specs/features/sim in addition to a worldwide audience with a smaller PS3 userbase buying it, is a one off examples of reviewers not really hitting the mark.

Forza fanboys will always spin anything. But you can't really spin the fact that GT doesn't have a perm assist on, doesn't reduce the visuals to keep 60fps, and is fine at 55fps under a heavy load.

I'd laugh, but its not even funny at this point. Maybe F5 will have a better chance.

the famous FPS video had GT5 going down to 34-36 FPS, rare but still dropped in a 4 minute video

 

[commedieu]

Funny (and true story):

according to metacritic the best racing games ever made are:

1. Gran Turismo 3
2. NFS Shift


GT3 was pretty good, but both GT4 and GT5 are (all IMO) much better games. And NFS Shift is the biggest piece of shit racing game ever made.

So, review scores are not something I put much stock in when buying a game.

Generally reviews are a good indicator. But GT5's were all cracking down on it taking so long to develop & it not being 100% perfect. A game with an actual sim, car porn, rally, open wheel, nascar, weather & light cycles, gokarts, a track editor.. was thrown under the bus for F3 having a better livery editor & autodrive. It also wasn't a plus to have image based lighting and 16 vehicles, or the top gear track. Because the livery editor was so sweet, and thats key to a driving simulation.

 

[mblitek]

This thread is amazing. I look forward to what presumably will be GT6 & Forza5 on the next generation consoles. What would really be amazing though? If Turn10 & PD collaborated on a game. Shit would hit the fan!

 

[NullPointer]

Take your pick:

Forza 4: Locked 60fps + jaggies
GT5: Mostly 60fps with dips + screen tearing

Both games have annoying IQ issues, but for my own personal bias I prefer less jaggies in my racing games over any tearing issues. I want to see the lines on the road drawn clearly, and the flatter the track the more jaggies add noise to the visuals. Everybody has different tolerances though.

 

[GTP_Daverytimes]

Bravo on keeping the experience consistent while playing indeed.

You don't really notice those changes when racing. Let's not exaggerate.

The same way you don't notice a drop from 60 to 50fps right?

 

[statham]

maybe I'm crazy, but a little lower graphics @ 60 fps will win in my mind over sub 60 fps. gameplay to me is always > graphics...

 

[commedieu]

the famous FPS video had GT5 going down to 34-36 FPS, rare but still dropped in a 4 minute video

I play GT5 regularly, and don't drop to 30fps, as most people do. So its rare as hell, and even if it ever happens, my car doesn't end up rolling down a hill. Like I said, the only thing people can even make up about GT5 now, is pretending that rare framerate dips, make the driving sim. Even though the people making this complaints, have never driven a forza sim without assists, meaning they wouldn't even know where to start with complaining about a simulations accuracy, or its immersion.

And yes, you're better off ignoring everything else I said about reviews and Forza's shortcomings.

 

[Pimpbaa]

The best part is, the car with the hood cam is also an AI.

What's even more amazing is that shinnn continues to post after being made to look like a complete and utter ass.

 

[JetBlackPanda]

Indeed. He seem to give Forza 4 a much more fair chance than GT5.



Hehe


But if it is true that he really returned GT5 after just one race, then he probably missed out on much fun, especially seeing that he said that he played (and most likely enjoyed) Forza 4 for hours each day. If he enjoy Forza 4 this much, then i think he would have enjoyed GT5 as well if he gave it a more fair chance. Oh well, it is his choice though, i wont say that it is right or wrong for him. The most important thing is that he is satisfied with the games he is playing

I promise it happend. I made sure to post in my Original post that I still want to give GT5 a real shot but for my birthday money I had I just was not feeling GT, probably my fault because I went to the store with Forza in mind and the guy kind of talked me into GT.

I think both games are awesome but for me on Sunday I chose Forza.

edit: I was pretty overwhelmed with GT the menu was like a website for racing that I had never been to, this is not a knock, it was just too much for me (short attention span) lol

I also don't have a wheel or anything and I read that GT is better with a wheel?

can you guys let me know if I am way off base?

 

[test_account]

Generally reviews are a good indicator. But GT5's were all cracking down on it taking so long to develop & it not being 100% perfect. A game with an actual sim, car porn, rally, open wheel, nascar, weather & light cycles, gokarts, a track editor.. was thrown under the bus for F3 having a better livery editor & autodrive. It also wasn't a plus to have image based lighting and 16 vehicles, or the top gear track. Because the livery editor was so sweet, and thats key to a driving simulation.

GT5 did have some issues when it launched though. But yeah, i think that because of the long development cycle, some people expected that the game should be pretty much perfect. I didnt check through that many GT5 reviews, but i liked the Gametrailers.com review. They pointed out several of flaws, but they gave it a good score anyway because the driving experience and feel was so good

 

[Lothars]

This thread is amazing. I look forward to what presumably will be GT6 & Forza5 on the next generation consoles. What would really be amazing though? If Turn10 & PD collaborated on a game. Shit would hit the fan!

That would be great and I would love to see a collaboration by Turn 10 and PD.

 

[test_account]

I promise it happend. I made sure to post in my Original post that I still want to give GT5 a real shot but for my birthday money I had I just was not feeling GT, probably my fault because I went to the store with Forza in mind and the guy kind of talked me into GT.

I think both games are awesome but for me on Sunday I chose Forza.

edit: I was pretty overwhelmed with GT the menu was like a website for racing that I had never been to, this is not a knock, it was just too much for me (short attention span) lol

I also don't have a wheel or anything and I read that GT is better with a wheel?

can you guys let me know if I am way off base?

If you had Forza 4 in mind when buying GT5, i can understand it a bit more, since then you probably wanted Forza 4 more afterall. But may i ask why you only tried one race when you first said you were interested in NASCAR and rally? Why not even try those out, even if it is just a couple of minutes?

I havnt used a wheel myself in GT5, but i'm sure that it is much more fun/better with wheel, the same goes for Forza 4. But i've had my share of fun with GT5 using a controller, no problem with that for me personally

 

[JetBlackPanda]

If you had Forza 4 in mind when buying GT5, i can understand it a bit more, since then you probably wanted Forza 4 more afterall. But may i ask why you only tried one race when you first said you were interested in NASCAR and rally? Why not even try those out, even if it is just a couple of minutes?

I havnt used a wheel myself in GT5, but i'm sure that it is much more fun/better with wheel, the same goes for Forza 4. But i've had my share of fun with GT5 using a controller, no problem with that for me personally

I didn't even know how to get into Rally or NASCAR and it was late in the day Sunday and I wanted to get back to the GS before they closed to grab Forza. It was unfair of me to not give those details because it probably made it seem like I hated GT (I don't) but from my perspective the start of the game is more appealing to pick up and go in Forza.

however the sim aspect of GT is something I would like to visit someday.

 

[test_account]

I didn't even know how to get into Rally or NASCAR and it was late in the day Sunday and I wanted to get back to the GS before they closed to grab Forza. It was unfair of me to not give those details because it probably made it seem like I hated GT (I don't) but from my perspective the start of the game is more appealing to pick up and go in Forza.

however the sim aspect of GT is something I would like to visit someday.

I understand, fair enough

To get into NASCAR and Rally, you either have to do those special events (they are not available from the very start, they have to be unlocked i think?) or buy a Rally car or a NASCAR and go to arcade mode, select the tracks and race. So come to think of it, these things arent available from the very start.

 

[The Elite]

Take your pick:

Forza 4: Locked 60fps + jaggies
GT5: Mostly 60fps with dips + screen tearing

Both games have annoying IQ issues, but for my own personal bias I prefer less jaggies in my racing games over any tearing issues. I want to see the lines on the road drawn clearly, and the flatter the track the more jaggies add noise to the visuals. Everybody has different tolerances though.

I love both.

I find that Forza 4 is more fun "game wise" but GT5 is pure driving bliss.

 

[shinnn]

What's even more amazing is that shinnn continues to post after being made to look like a complete and utter ass.

lol.. sorry I don't play replay gif's. I need to spin my car and watch the AI to evaluate them? No thanks.

 

[GTP_Daverytimes]

What famous video? I'm talking about what I'm playing/played. GT AI did not give any challenge in my time with the career mode.

Every racing game does have AI that avoid crashes, do overtake, etc. It's the basic. lol. Maybe you should just pay attention to other games like you do with GT.

GT5 AI is the most sterile ever. They just act like robots.

Unfortunately Turn 10 forgot that it was the basic, their quest for 60fps and better graphics and better physics were overshadowing every other thing.

 

[user_nat]

Funny (and true story):

according to metacritic the best racing games ever made are:

1. Gran Turismo 3
2. NFS Shift


GT3 was pretty good, but both GT4 and GT5 are (all IMO) much better games. And NFS Shift is the biggest piece of shit racing game ever made.

So, review scores are not something I put much stock in when buying a game.

That's the iOS version of Shift, based on a massive 6 reviews.

 

[Truespeed]

At least you can't accuse T10 of releasing an incomplete game. At least, based on what is advertised (save for the 900 degree steering).

No, but according to Jeff Gerstmann you can accuse them of releasing an "annual sports game update".

 

[ShapeGSX]

I love both.

I find that Forza 4 is more fun "game wise" but GT5 is pure driving bliss.

Pure driving bliss is how I'd describe Forza 4, too. Love it with my Fanatec wheel and clubsport pedals. So good.

And we're both right.

 

[NullPointer]

Pure driving bliss is how I'd describe Forza 4, too. Love it with my Fanatec wheel and clubsport pedals. So good.

And we're both right.

Bernese Alps in my 458 and sunset rides through the Nordschleiffe in GT5 are both driving bliss for me. Its true. I'd also rather race a muscle car in Forza 4. Feels good man.

 

[-Amon-]

Speaking of Green Valley.

Grand Valley.

 

[Dibbz]

Thread need more gifs.

 

[NullPointer]

I think in our gearhead/petrolhead hearts we just wish for the one true uber-game.

These games require a significant time (and sometimes monetary) investment to get the best out of them, and it sucks to have to choose between them, or to balance your time across several games that each offer one perfected little slice of the experience.

But at the end of the day the competition is improving all of these games.

 

[Xun]

Grand Valley.

Yes, my mistake.

 

[statham]

I play GT5 regularly, and don't drop to 30fps, as most people do. So its rare as hell, and even if it ever happens, my car doesn't end up rolling down a hill. Like I said, the only thing people can even make up about GT5 now, is pretending that rare framerate dips, make the driving sim. Even though the people making this complaints, have never driven a forza sim without assists, meaning they wouldn't even know where to start with complaining about a simulations accuracy, or its immersion.

And yes, you're better off ignoring everything else I said about reviews and Forza's shortcomings.

and watching forza shortcomings at 60 FPS compared to GT5 shortcomings at 50 FPS who can see it at those FPS??? the reflections off the side of the car who GT fans are making fun of FORZA fans for saying its not existent in replay mode or the Forza fans saying thdrop to 50 FPS is noticeable in the game.


(which it is)

 

[statham]

Unfortunately Turn 10 forgot that it was the basic, their quest for 60fps and better graphics and better physics were overshadowing every other thing.

and GT overlooked stuff instead of making their game fun

 

[Dibbz]

and GT overlooked stuff instead of making their game fun

It's a simulator. If you don't find driving and racing fun then that's your problem.

 

[statham]

Unfortunately Turn 10 forgot that it was the basic, their quest for 60fps and better graphics and better physics were overshadowing every other thing.

sorry to go back to this, but OMG, this dude is somehow trying to make this a negative. and the next two lines is crazy funny. seriously? for realzo?

 

[Metalmurphy]

Sims arent meant to give buckets of fun. They're supposed to be a sandbox where u make ur own fun, which gt5 is. Ask anyone racing on the gaf games for example

 

[Pimpbaa]

lol.. sorry I don't play replay gif's. I need to spin my car and watch the AI to evaluate them? No thanks.

However you are evaluating the AI, you are doing it wrong.

 

[statham]

It's a simulator. If you don't find driving and racing fun then that's your problem.

I enjoy both.driving and racing.

 

[statham]

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[Shaneus]

No, but according to Jeff Gerstmann you can accuse them of releasing an "annual sports game update".

Bi-annual? Gerstmann said that? Pretty sure I'm not the only one who doesn't see FM4 like a sports-esque update to 3 a la EA Sports titles.

If Gerstmann really did say that, then opinion of him--

 

[statham]

"Sims arent meant to give buckets of fun" explains GT5

 

[GTP_Daverytimes]

sorry to go back to this, but OMG, this dude is somehow trying to make this a negative. and the next two lines is crazy funny. seriously? for realzo?

Are you serious, who is trying to make what a negative?. Their quest for 60fps meant that they had to cut a lot of corners that doesn't mean that 60fps locked is not awesome. Please don't put words in my mouth.

 

[statham]

Thread need more gifs.

[im]http://www.abload.de/img/gt5_ssr5_tunnel_mazdayuox.gif[/img]

[ig]http://www.abload.de/img/gt5_ssr5_ai_overtake_m8u3d.gif[/img]
[im]http://www.abload.de/img/gt5_ssr5_tunnel_mazda_mu5g.gif[/img]

thats exactly what this thread needed. goodjob.

 

[statham]

Are you serious, who is trying to make what a negative?. Their quest for 60fps meant that they had to cut a lot of corners that doesn't mean that 60fps locked is not awesome. Please don't put words in my mouth.

60 fps should always be the norm, anyless then cut back on areas to make it 60 fps. 50 plus neat effects does not equal 60 fps.

 

[Gek54]

GT5 for when I feel up for some serious driving.

Forza when I just want to turn my brain off and hover around the track while the game steers for me.

 

[Metalmurphy]

There's an edit button statham

 

[statham]

GT5 for when I feel up for some serious driving.

Forza when I just want to turn my brain off and hover around the track while the game steers for me.

tried that, came in last.

edit: metal ? I responded to a post and then after responded saw another post. and responded after I posted. don't know why I'm defending this, and why are you playing mod jr.?