Forza Horizon 5 sold 2 million copies in just a month on PS5

How many FPS exclusives have had in the PS4/5 generations (ie the last 12 years)? One.
There's far more FPS games available to play on Xbox


Besides Halo, what other exclusive FPS games were on Xbox? Honest question as well.

(including more of the COD titles)

Eh? No COD has been exclusive to Xbox.

so given its bigger library of shooters, why is it "weird" to suggest Xbox would have more hardcore players of that genre?

Halo isn't a complex game that takes decades to get good. Do you really believe Microsoft are trying to protect PlayStation gamers from veteran Halo players?! LMAO 🤣
 
Eh? No COD has been exclusive to Xbox.
There's this thing on Xbox called the backwards compatibility program:


That's a lot of FPS that you can play on modern Xbox consoles but not on PS. You can even play GoldenEye 007 on Xbox. (And on Switch as well, to be fair.)

Halo isn't a complex game that takes decades to get good. Do you really believe Microsoft are trying to protect PlayStation gamers from veteran Halo players?! LMAO 🤣
Well another poster believes PS players' extensive experience with... Fortnite will help stave off the "Pony hunters." Good luck with that.
And no, MS aren't trying to protect fragile PS gamers. They would be attempting to protect their own profits from PS players being immediately turned off from the Halo franchise because of their swift annihilation on the battlefield.
 
"Just fine" against players that have been honing their Halo skills daily for many years? I think that is hilarious. As would these "extremely skilled gamers" being met with a heavy dose of reality on the virtual battlefield.
You can laugh all you like but there's a reason the Halo CE remake is rumoured not to have multiplayer.
Nope I still find this take hilarious. But let's toy around with it a bit, and let's ignore Call of Duty and Doom and other first person shooters PlayStation gamers have played for decades.

1.
Xbox 360 sold roughly 85 million units.
Xbox One sold roughly 55 million units.
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Where do you think the lost 30 million gamers went? You don't think some skilled Halo players might've jumped over to PS4?
Or everybody jumped to PC?

2.
Xbox Series has sold roughly 30 million units.
Again, Xbox sold roughly 55 million units.
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Where do you think the lost 25 million gamers went? You don't think some skilled Halo players might've jumped over to PS5?
Or everybody jumped to PC?

3.
What about Gears of War? It's coming soon to PS5. It's not first person but you definitely have veteran gamers on Xbox on that IP.
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You think this "Pony hunting season" will happen there as well?


In the end I just find it a bit strange that you think there aren't enough skilled first person gamers to be found among 80 million gamers to disrupt any attempt to do a "Pony massacre".
 
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Calm down bro lol. Forza Horizon is a cool Arcade racer, it's not a hard-core Sim racer like Gran Turismo (whether you like GT or not) thus there is an opportunity for it to do well. Nobody give a dang about Halo Infinte. It's a dead Game/franchise. Now Gears of War is a different story.
Calling GT a hard-core sim racer is wild
 
M m14 I guess the billion players playing oh I dunno COD or Fortnite on Playstation couldn't compete with the 15 players playing Halo on Xbox?

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Nope I still find this take hilarious. But let's toy around with it a bit, and let's ignore Call of Duty and Doom and other first person shooters PlayStation gamers have played for decades.

1.
Xbox 360 sold roughly 85 million units.
Xbox One sold roughly 55 million units.
-
Where do you think the lost 30 million gamers went? You don't think some skilled Halo players might've jumped over to PS4?
Or everybody jumped to PC?

2.
Xbox Series has sold roughly 30 million units.
Again, Xbox sold roughly 55 million units.
-
Where do you think the lost 25 million gamers went? You don't think some skilled Halo players might've jumped over to PS5?
Or everybody jumped to PC?

3.
What about Gears of War? It's coming soon to PS5. It's not first person but you definitely have veteran gamers on Xbox on that IP.
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You think this "Pony hunting season" will happen there as well?


In the end I just find it a bit strange that you think there aren't enough skilled first person gamers to be found among 80 million gamers to disrupt any attempt to do a "Pony massacre".
I think he is talking about core Halo / Gears fanbase. They never went anywhere. Only casuals move around.

Skill ceiling in both these games is kinda ridiculous. I have played a bit of online.
 
There's this thing on Xbox called the backwards compatibility program:


That's a lot of FPS that you can play on modern Xbox consoles but not on PS. You can even play GoldenEye 007 on Xbox. (And on Switch as well, to be fair.)


Well another poster believes PS players' extensive experience with... Fortnite will help stave off the "Pony hunters." Good luck with that.
And no, MS aren't trying to protect fragile PS gamers. They would be attempting to protect their own profits from PS players being immediately turned off from the Halo franchise because of their swift annihilation on the battlefield.
Its impressive that not only did you type that bullshit, but you're retarded enough to actually believe it to be true.
 
There's this thing on Xbox called the backwards compatibility program:


That's a lot of FPS that you can play on modern Xbox consoles but not on PS. You can even play GoldenEye 007 on Xbox. (And on Switch as well, to be fair.)


Well another poster believes PS players' extensive experience with... Fortnite will help stave off the "Pony hunters." Good luck with that.
And no, MS aren't trying to protect fragile PS gamers. They would be attempting to protect their own profits from PS players being immediately turned off from the Halo franchise because of their swift annihilation on the battlefield.
It's hard to believe you typed all this with a straight face. I've seen lots of weird shit from fanboys over the years, but I think this takes the cake simply because of how weird it is along with your insistence to die on this hill.

"Microsoft not releasing Halo on Playstation in order to protect their profits because PS players being hunted down by Xbox players will ruin the company's financials"

Sounds like an Onion article.
 
Come on now, they're literally raking in billions each quarter, hardware is down dramatically in the economic reports but software is alive and kicking nicely and services too. The late PS5 ports aren't changing the numbers dramatically, it's the gravy on top.

Today I assume the big money is in Call of Duty, Minecraft, Candy Crush, WOW.

I think Diablo is still fairly big too, so is Sea of Thieves.

Not sure about the moneyside of Forza Horizon 5, but it's a huge game, has like 40-50 million players or something crazy like that. A big chunk of that is Gamepass players but obviously not all since there aren't that many GP subscribers and not everyone is into racing. 5 million sold on Steam and similar on XB1 and XSX is my guess. Let's say 12m total after PS5.
No profit/loss statements though.

You could have 100 bil of revenue everyday but it would mean squat if your costs are 101 bil everyday.
 
His still going eh?

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They would be attempting to protect their own profits from PS players being immediately turned off from the Halo franchise because of their swift annihilation on the battlefield.
Now I'm convinced he's just trying to keep this thread on the first page with some rage bait. He cannot be this deluded.
 
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No profit/loss statements though.

You could have 100 bil of revenue everyday but it would mean squat if your costs are 101 bil everyday.
No they don't seem to do official reports on profit for just Xbox, I did some googling, but there are plenty of analytics estimating that they're heavily in the profit zone on gaming as a whole, like billions per year.

Either way it still wouldn't have made any sense to go day 1 on PS5 in 2021, it's an absurd idea tbh. All what's happening now is a reaction from how this generation has unfolded. All of it. Hindsight is always 20/20 but in 2021 there was no real concern over anything. They're simply unrolling plan B right now since plan A failed.
A: Xbox Series will take over the living room!
B: Expand through wider reach from being everywhere.
 
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Nope I still find this take hilarious. But let's toy around with it a bit, and let's ignore Call of Duty and Doom and other first person shooters PlayStation gamers have played for decades.

1.
Xbox 360 sold roughly 85 million units.
Xbox One sold roughly 55 million units.
-
Where do you think the lost 30 million gamers went? You don't think some skilled Halo players might've jumped over to PS4?
Or everybody jumped to PC?
Many 360 users went to PS4 but I wouldn't be classing people who last played a Halo game in 2012 as "skilled" at it.

2.
Xbox Series has sold roughly 30 million units.
Again, Xbox sold roughly 55 million units.
-
Where do you think the lost 25 million gamers went? You don't think some skilled Halo players might've jumped over to PS5?
Or everybody jumped to PC?
Given how much PS console sales have stagnated compared to last gen (they are tracking slightly behind, right?) it's clear there has been no significant migration from Xbox to PS5. If any genuinely skilled played defected then it would have been to PC.

3.
What about Gears of War? It's coming soon to PS5. It's not first person but you definitely have veteran gamers on Xbox on that IP.
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You think this "Pony hunting season" will happen there as well?
As you said, not first person but likely to be a very humbling experience for most PS players.

In the end I just find it a bit strange that you think there aren't enough skilled first person gamers to be found among 80 million gamers to disrupt any attempt to do a "Pony massacre".
You think it's outlandish to state that PS players would be significantly worse at Halo compared to the many veterans on the Xbox platform?

I think he is talking about core Halo / Gears fanbase. They never went anywhere. Only casuals move around.

Skill ceiling in both these games is kinda ridiculous. I have played a bit of online.
Well said Vai. Some fragile egos struggling to accept reality.

Its impressive that not only did you type that bullshit, but you're retarded enough to actually believe it to be true.
Don't worry Dr Emoji, you'd be picked off so quickly that you could claim an instant refund.

It's hard to believe you typed all this with a straight face. I've seen lots of weird shit from fanboys over the years, but I think this takes the cake simply because of how weird it is along with your insistence to die on this hill.

"Microsoft not releasing Halo on Playstation in order to protect their profits because PS players being hunted down by Xbox players will ruin the company's financials"

Sounds like an Onion article.
Ok, so did I make up the rumour about the Halo CE remake not having multiplayer?
Do you think that PS players struggling horribly with Halo multiplayer would help or hinder sales of the franchise on PS5?
Is it not weird to insist that people playing on a platform that has never had a Halo game released on it wouldn't be at a distinct disadvantage compared to users of a platform where the game has been played for decades?
 
Ok, so did I make up the rumour about the Halo CE remake not having multiplayer?
Do you think that PS players struggling horribly with Halo multiplayer would help or hinder sales of the franchise on PS5?
Is it not weird to insist that people playing on a platform that has never had a Halo game released on it wouldn't be at a distinct disadvantage compared to users of a platform where the game has been played for decades?
Selling a few million copies and have some people presumably struggle with multiplayer is worse financially for Microsoft than not selling any copies at all? Make it make sense! Why is Microsoft releasing Gears Multiplayer on PS? Wouldn't the same issues apply as there has never been a Gears game on PS before? Again, this is the weirdest hill to die on.
 
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Ok, so did I make up the rumour about the Halo CE remake not having multiplayer?
Do you think that PS players struggling horribly with Halo multiplayer would help or hinder sales of the franchise on PS5?
Is it not weird to insist that people playing on a platform that has never had a Halo game released on it wouldn't be at a distinct disadvantage compared to users of a platform where the game has been played for decades?
I guess using this logic the reason TLOU remake didn't have multiplayer is because PlayStation feared that PC players would get annihilated in third person shooters and they didn't want it to hinder sales. Amirite or amirite? It only makes sense.
 
Selling a few million copies and have some people presumably struggle with multiplayer is worse than not selling any copies at all? Make it make sense! Why is Microsoft releasing Gears Multiplayer on PS? Wouldn't the same issues apply as there has never been a Gears game on PS before? Again, this is the weirdest hill to die on.
Gears isn't an FPS.
Selling a few million copies each of Halo CE, Halo 2, Halo 3 etc etc is preferable to selling a few million copies of just Halo CE, no? Do you think the likes of drganon would be lining up to purchase the sequels after such a bruising experience on CE multiplayer?

I guess using this logic the reason TLOU remake didn't have multiplayer is because PlayStation feared that PC players would get annihilated in third person shooters and they didn't want it to hinder sales. Amirite or amirite? It only makes sense.
Would you not concede that multiplayer is a much more essential mode to an FPS like Halo than a game such as TLOU?
 
Gears isn't an FPS.
Selling a few million copies each of Halo CE, Halo 2, Halo 3 etc etc is preferable to selling a few million copies of just Halo CE, no? Do you think the likes of drganon would be lining up to purchase the sequels after such a bruising experience on CE multiplayer?


Would you not concede that multiplayer is a much more essential mode to an FPS like Halo than a game such as TLOU?
Ok, now you're just taking the piss. I think we're done here, it was my mistake for trying to take you seriously.
 
Would you not concede that multiplayer is a much more essential mode to an FPS like Halo than a game such as TLOU?
Not really no. Stop making dumb excuses. If it was so "essential" to halo then why is it not being included?
Because it's not essential, because it will be a small audience that fragments from MCC anyway and cost extra money to maintain. Has nothing to do with skill level.
 
Many 360 users went to PS4 but I wouldn't be classing people who last played a Halo game in 2012 as "skilled" at it.


Given how much PS console sales have stagnated compared to last gen (they are tracking slightly behind, right?) it's clear there has been no significant migration from Xbox to PS5. If any genuinely skilled played defected then it would have been to PC.


As you said, not first person but likely to be a very humbling experience for most PS players.


You think it's outlandish to state that PS players would be significantly worse at Halo compared to the many veterans on the Xbox platform?


Well said Vai. Some fragile egos struggling to accept reality.


Don't worry Dr Emoji, you'd be picked off so quickly that you could claim an instant refund.


Ok, so did I make up the rumour about the Halo CE remake not having multiplayer?
Do you think that PS players struggling horribly with Halo multiplayer would help or hinder sales of the franchise on PS5?
Is it not weird to insist that people playing on a platform that has never had a Halo game released on it wouldn't be at a distinct disadvantage compared to users of a platform where the game has been played for decades?

Gears isn't an FPS.
Selling a few million copies each of Halo CE, Halo 2, Halo 3 etc etc is preferable to selling a few million copies of just Halo CE, no? Do you think the likes of drganon would be lining up to purchase the sequels after such a bruising experience on CE multiplayer?


Would you not concede that multiplayer is a much more essential mode to an FPS like Halo than a game such as TLOU?
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Not really no. Stop making dumb excuses. If it was so "essential" to halo then why is it not being included?
Because it's not essential, because it will be a small audience that fragments from MCC anyway and cost extra money to maintain. Has nothing to do with skill level.
It's really something to pretend that a multiplayer mode for TLOU (!) is in any way comparable to Halo, one of the biggest multiplayer games on console of all time.
 
Halo, one of the biggest multiplayer games on console of all time.
Wait, I thought you said:
More players = more casuals.
That's why CoD didn't count as skilled FPS players remember!? This just means the TLOU players were extremely hardcore third person shooter players and PC players had no chance!

Either admit that you're talking a lot of shit or at least admit you're living in the past and Halo multiplayer isn't as important as it once was. A f2p Halo game is struggling hard, now imagine a paid game:

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Either way I'm done with your mental gymnastics.
 
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Wait, I thought you said:

That's why CoD didn't count as skilled FPS players remember!? This just means the TLOU players were extremely hardcore third person shooter players and PC players had no chance!

Either admit that you're talking a lot of shit or at least admit you're living in the past and Halo multiplayer isn't as important as it once was. A f2p Halo game is struggling hard, now imagine a paid game:

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Either way I'm done with your mental gymnastics.
I engaged him for a minute but soon saw it was one of those types there is no debating with
 
Wait, I thought you said:

That's why CoD didn't count as skilled FPS players remember!? This just means the TLOU players were extremely hardcore third person shooter players and PC players had no chance!

Either admit that you're talking a lot of shit or at least admit you're living in the past and Halo multiplayer isn't as important as it once was. A f2p Halo game is struggling hard, now imagine a paid game:

Either way I'm done with your mental gymnastics.
You were talking about the omission of a multiplayer mode from TLOU, as if that was remotely comparable to Halo, one of the most popular online multiplayer shooters of all time on console. And that it isn'tcurious that MS aren't taking the opportunity to bring Halo multiplayer to the PS audience.
COD was always multiplatform, whereas Halo hasn't been on PS so far. Shocking to suggest that Xbox might have built up a significant core of hardcore Halo players over the past couple of decades, isn't it?

I engaged him for a minute but soon saw it was one of those types there is no debating with
Unfortunately your version of engagement didn't involve actually reading my posts.
 
Unfortunately your version of engagement didn't involve actually reading my posts.
Pretty sure I got the gist of your messaging that Halo only being on Xbox means if it ever came to Playstation that the hardcore Halo players would dominate newbie PS players and I have news for you that's for every game on any platform

The part that was extremely dumb was imply MS wouldn't bring Halo to PS over concerns of "Pony killing"

You have every right to think that

 
The part that was extremely dumb was imply MS wouldn't bring Halo to PS over concerns of "Pony killing"
I never wrote that. I wrote that the Halo CE remake is rumoured to be coming to PS5 without multiplayer and outlined a reason why that may be.


EDIT: I'll let people get back to discussing Forza Horizon. Sorry for the derail.
 
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I didn't say it wouldn't. I said it shouldn't. Infinite, like 5, sucks. There's a reason it has almost no player base.
And lets get real, if MCC gets released on PS and it does less than 30 million, that's a failure! I wouldn't release it at all if that's all its going to get!
 
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Calling GT a hard-core sim racer is wild
Compared to Forza Horizon, it is. GT has way more detailed car tuning cutomization option that changes how a car behaves for different tracks. FH is an arcade racer with sensitive steering that works against competitive racers, causing them to oversteer, even with simulation steering turned on. In comparison Sim racers like GT allows players to have a wider margin for making fine tune adjustments to control their cars for cornering. Pair that with the VR mode and you have a game that is much close to simulation than arcade.

I wouldnt say GT is a harcore sim racer, but its not far behind Asseto Corsa.
 
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