HerjansEagleFeeder
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Game is great yet I'm still surprised. I wonder what the management at Microsoft thinks about this.
Forza Horizon 5 sold 2 million copies in just a month on PS5
Porting GT to PC would make more financial sense.
To make a first party FH competitor, they'd have to build a dev team first, then devote 4 years or so to make their first title. No guarantees on quality or market reception.
Rejecting real, factual data in favor or made up stuff is quite strange.
Yes I'm talking about FH too but just pointed out that a plateau is not set in stone with the Astrobot example.
A plateau is based on the curve prior and not the latest gradient. Think of it as a gradient of a gradient. The slowdown would result in that 3.5M-ish plateau.
Steve Holt
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This figure is from a LinkedIn profile of someone laid off my Microsoft and is now looking for work?
I don't necessarily not believe him.. but I thought this thread was going to contain some hard facts
Edit: just saw the other article about 2025 top sales on PS5. Decent figures. Always good to see good games sell well on consoles.
I don't necessarily not believe him.. but I thought this thread was going to contain some hard facts
Edit: just saw the other article about 2025 top sales on PS5. Decent figures. Always good to see good games sell well on consoles.
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DenchDeckard
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You saying halo infinite wouldn't do 2.5 to 3 mill units at 50 dollars on ps5?
Fess
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I bet nobody at MS is crying about this lol
But FH5 launched in 2021. MS had no plan to go multi at that point and PS5 wasn't much larger than Series back then. It just didn't make sense to go multi then, they still had ambitions to conquer the living room.
Today PS5 is huge, and Xbox is not. Going multi makes sense, they're tapping into a userbase bigger than anything they've had before, and there is no Gamepass there so everybody has to buy it. A late release is always kinda meh though, sales wise, but even with only 2.5% of the userbase jumping in it still bring in a ton of money.
Astray
Member
That's my exact point. They should have had that fucking plan from the beginning instead of whatever they cooked up this gen.
Literally dragged into success by upper management.
Killer8
Member
So now the numbers are coming out and its a big success on PlayStation, are we still going to doubt what Gavin Raeburn said then or what?
Fess
Member
It made no sense back then, come on. They went multi when the platform died on the market.
How do you think things would've gone if they had ported big games to PS5 in 2021?
Now they're topping out at 30 whatever million XSX sold and similar Gamepass numbers.
It's flop but could've been much worse…
As said it makes sense to go multi now though, to cash in one last time, and with no Gamepass cannibalism, before FH6 comes out.
But FH5 has already been a success, and for a long time, it's one of their most popular IPs.
Astray
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What does it matter when at the end of the day Xbox is likely being run at a loss? Like the entire bag is likely not profitable now and is barely hanging on via PS5 (and soon Switch 2) ports.
It's not like they were flying high either. They somehow managed to completely blow up all the consumer spending on their platform during a gen and a half.
Fess
Member
Come on now, they're literally raking in billions each quarter, hardware is down dramatically in the economic reports but software is alive and kicking nicely and services too. The late PS5 ports aren't changing the numbers dramatically, it's the gravy on top.
Today I assume the big money is in Call of Duty, Minecraft, Candy Crush, WOW.
I think Diablo is still fairly big too, so is Sea of Thieves.
Not sure about the moneyside of Forza Horizon 5, but it's a huge game, has like 40-50 million players or something crazy like that. A big chunk of that is Gamepass players but obviously not all since there aren't that many GP subscribers and not everyone is into racing. 5 million sold on Steam and similar on XB1 and XSX is my guess. Let's say 12m total after PS5.
Buggy Loop
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Releasing Halo Infinite on PS5 would not be a good idea, even though it would likely sell well initially. This is a game that PC and Xbox players have had access to since 2021. Factor in that PS players notoriously struggle with first person games (particularly shooters) and crossplay multiplayer would be a total massacre for them.
That's why all the rumours point towards the debut of Halo on PS5 being a Halo CE remake without multiplayer. MS know any Halo release on PS5 with crossplay multiplayer would quickly turn into "Pony hunting season" and tank any sales potential for future Halo titles on Sony systems.
"Just fine" against players that have been honing their Halo skills daily for many years? I think that is hilarious. As would these "extremely skilled gamers" being met with a heavy dose of reality on the virtual battlefield.
You can laugh all you like but there's a reason the Halo CE remake is rumoured not to have multiplayer.
nemiroff
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MS/T10 handled Forza Motorsport like an early access game, lacking and janky AF. Was a sad sight.. I don't see MS doing that for a stellar franchise like FH, but who knows...
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Fake
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I don't see MS doing that for a stellar franchise as Halo as well, right?
nemiroff
Member
I sure didnt. I'm still bitter about 343, all the way back since Halo 4. That's when I started to beg for MS to disband 343 and give Halo to another developer, even sell it
The thought of that fucking slime ass O'Connor taking part in the ruinification of Halo still riles me up to this day.
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Mattyp
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Do you know what a plateau is? Do you have difficulty reading charts? Astro didn't resemble a plateau at 1M. Its plateau on the chart is at around 3M.
Do you need me to overlay the Astro and Forza sales for you on the chart?
How about this. I'll give you a year of gold if Forza doesn't hit 5 million in the next 12 months.
Why would they not be profitable right now?
There has to be a reason why you aren't thinking of how much money Sony is leaving on the table by not launching Ghost of Yotei on Switch 2
PS consoles being a desert for FPS for the past two generations compared to Xbox and PC.
That and Wii U players outperforming PS players at COD Ghosts.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Oh boy..............okay, I didn't know that lol. That's not good.
HeisenbergFX4
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Mr Moose
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RoadHazard
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Maybe I should buy this. Will I like it if I loved MotorStorm Pacific Rift?
HeisenbergFX4
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Astray
Member
My maxim here remains as-is: If there were profits they would have announced them to get investors off their back.
Why stick to announcing trivial shit like "we reached peak engagement or hours played" etc when you have profits you can crow about? We know this particular management team loves to toot its own horn whenever it can.
Maybe you've missed it but I was actually one of the people that were FOR releasing Helldivers 2 on Xbox (I'd actually be for releasing Spiderman as well). Go back to the thread and check.There has to be a reason why you aren't thinking of how much money Sony is leaving on the table by not launching Ghost of Yotei on Switch 2
I actually predict that they won't face much issues with PS6 launch because of it either (they do need to end the PS5 era with banging content that creates "promises", which is something they've largely failed at this gen imo).
I have no issue if Sony wants to release stuff elsewhere. It's their IP and no one should base their emotional well-being on where it goes.
The reality is Sony/Valve/Nintendo each carved out their slice of the market with their own network effects and separate audience segments, and it's going to stay static for a while at least.
So if I was Hulst I'd actually be releasing Horizon 1/Tsushima/TLOU 1/2 on Switch 2 asap because there's a case for them gaining a 2nd sales life on the platform without really impacting PS6 adoption.. There might be a case against it considering that Sony and Nintendo are now on a collision course again, but it's debatable at best imo because this collision is honestly not something that matters to a normie, at least not now.
HeisenbergFX4
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How many FPS exclusives have had in the PS4/5 generations (ie the last 12 years)? One.
There's far more FPS games available to play on Xbox (including more of the COD titles) so given its bigger library of shooters, why is it "weird" to suggest Xbox would have more hardcore players of that genre?
Even Sony's former president acknowledged Xbox's reputation for shooters:
PlayStation Boss Says Xbox Games Do Better In U.S. Due To 'Shooting,' 'Multiplayer'
CEO Jim Ryan told the FTC that these two genres of game are 'typically more popular" in the States
kotaku.com
Mr Moose
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More titles != more players.How many FPS exclusives have had in the PS4/5 generations (ie the last 12 years)? One.
There's far more FPS games available to play on Xbox (including more of the COD titles) so given its bigger library of shooters, why is it "weird" to suggest Xbox would have more hardcore players of that genre?
Even Sony's former president acknowledged Xbox's reputation for shooters:
PlayStation Boss Says Xbox Games Do Better In U.S. Due To 'Shooting,' 'Multiplayer'
CEO Jim Ryan told the FTC that these two genres of game are 'typically more popular" in the States
I was talking FPS games and then you start mentioning Fortnite (!) and PS having a "billion players" like Mibu no ookami hacked your account.
More players = more casuals.
Sadly, we won't get to see this play out because MS won't take the risk.
Skifi28
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You went from "Playstation is a graveyard when it comes to FPS" to "Let me assume numbers I don't really know based on a few exclusive titles." Vast majority of shooters are multiplatform. The most popular shooters are multiplatform. If you want to keep Halo exclusive so much, take it up with Microsoft instead of this weird narrative you're trying to create here.How many FPS exclusives have had in the PS4/5 generations (ie the last 12 years)? One.
There's far more FPS games available to play on Xbox (including more of the COD titles) so given its bigger library of shooters, why is it "weird" to suggest Xbox would have more hardcore players of that genre?
Even Sony's former president acknowledged Xbox's reputation for shooters:
PlayStation Boss Says Xbox Games Do Better In U.S. Due To 'Shooting,' 'Multiplayer'
CEO Jim Ryan told the FTC that these two genres of game are 'typically more popular" in the States
HeisenbergFX4
Member
Are you denying that PlayStation has fewer FPS games available than Xbox? And that Xbox has has a much longer history of being the preferred console for FPS players?
Where did I suggest keeping Halo exclusive? All the rumours point towards the Halo CE remake appearing on PS5, but without multiplayer. No need to be so defensive about the "Pony massacre"- MS aren't going to let it happen.
Thanks for your contribution.All I can say to this line of thinking is
he was saying that the US is into shooters and removing COD from PS would give xbox an unfair advantage especially as they had bought zenimax (which owns most of the big FPS IPs) and had Halo. This is not the same as saying "PS players notoriously struggle with first person games (particularly shooters) and crossplay multiplayer would be a total massacre for them" because that simply isn't true. The big COD Tournaments were held on a PlayStation. Counterstrike and Valorant are PC centric and Valorant is console crossplay already. Xbox doesn't really have any advantage other than halo.How many FPS exclusives have had in the PS4/5 generations (ie the last 12 years)? One.
There's far more FPS games available to play on Xbox (including more of the COD titles) so given its bigger library of shooters, why is it "weird" to suggest Xbox would have more hardcore players of that genre?
Even Sony's former president acknowledged Xbox's reputation for shooters:
PlayStation Boss Says Xbox Games Do Better In U.S. Due To 'Shooting,' 'Multiplayer'
CEO Jim Ryan told the FTC that these two genres of game are 'typically more popular" in the States
Besides if Halo released on PS it would likely have a big enough audience where they can give the option to turn off crossplay unlike on xbox where crossplay is forced in most titles and means PC players from a specific store/app too.
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HeisenbergFX4
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So Xbox players have no advantage other than the game I'm telling you would be a massacre for PS players? Nothing you posted disproves this.
It's bold to dismiss someone's take as dumb when you haven't read the actual posts. I have at no point in this thread suggested that MS will not release Halo on PlayStation. All I did was refer to the speculation that the Halo CE remake will appear on PS5 but without a multiplayer component. MS wisely don't want to risk the inevitable massacre of Sony players on Halo multiplayer crossplay that would likely dissuade many from ever buying a Halo game again.
KuraiShidosha
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This feels like some trad girl finding OnlyFans and being shocked how easy the money comes in from a certain group of people.