François Fillon is officially the right's candidate for the French Presidency
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This sounds pretty good.
Edit: for all the internal reforms he wants to do he still needs a majority in the Parliament, no? How does this work in France?
Orniletter
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She wants to move France out of the EU.
She is the worst kind of deplorable politician Europe has to offer. Right alongside Geert Wilders and Frauke Petri.
The world would literally be a better place without them.
You mean besides the whole Ukraine conflict and their utterly disgusting actions in Syria? Or maybe you're asking about their internal problems, such as the hate campaigns against homosexuals?
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As norinrad says below though, probably better to make a separate thread for that.
You will have to create a separate thread for that.
UnluckyKate
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If you are :
- public worker
- gay
- disabled
- recipient of any kind of social wellfare
This guy is bad news
- public worker
- gay
- disabled
- recipient of any kind of social wellfare
This guy is bad news
Sgt. Kabukiman
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And when exactly did I say that?
I said Cruz=Fillon is a terrible analogy. If anything's he's closer to Jeb Bush.
I really wonder why the left didn't bite the bullet, sign the chartre and go vote for Juppé en masse today. Pretty fucking dumb.
As an outsider to this process, all I need is someone that will hold the current Franco-German alignment within the EU. This is the best solution in terms of making sure the UK is fucked, no quarter given, and effectively forced to stay in the single market and allows the Europeans to also move on with the common European project and uphold COP21 etc.
Lovely Salsa
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My cousins in france have been voting for le pen since forever. I couldnt shake my head more
Oh well, its not like I'll ever visit france anyways
Oh well, its not like I'll ever visit france anyways
I know, I check two of those boxes.
First Brexit, then Trump and now this. What a year...
Smooth Operator
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Mass_Pincup
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The parliament's elections are going to be held in June 2017.
If he wins the presidency there's a high chance that he will also have the majority in the Parliament.
Alx
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Don't judge the man based on the two lines in the OP. I didn't vote for him myself and would have preferred the other guy, but Fillon is nowhere close to what some of the posts make him sound to be.
Fillon as president wouldn't be much different from Sarkozy as president, and that already happened (and Fillon was his Prime Minister, as I mentioned earlier).
Jon Carter
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As opposed to Le Pen? We have to vote logically. The candidate that is less horrible is the one I will vote for.
Funky Papa
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Ugh.
Ugh.
Ugh.
The French love protesting for their earned rights, he'll never be able to push all of his policies.
Like it or not, the global political pendulum is swinging towards conservatism right now, I'd rather have a conservatist than a populist intent on destroying European institutions.
Like it or not, the global political pendulum is swinging towards conservatism right now, I'd rather have a conservatist than a populist intent on destroying European institutions.
Palette Swap
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I most likely will. Le Pen's EU stance alone is a deal breaker.
Here's to hoping the more centrist parts of his party and UDI can weigh in a bit on his platform.
(This is all assuming he's in a run off against Le Pen anyway)
MonsieurPaul
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The darkest timeline would be a division of vote in the first tour between Fillion, Macron and the socialist candidate (Valls?) and a second tour between Le Pen and Mélenchon...
Yeah like wtf is up with that. We here in Germany are just like "chill EU, just chill for a moment".
F**king the UK is the least of their problems with right wing and populist parties breathing down their necks. They have more issues than something like Brexit being a priority.
In most countries( starting from Austria, Belgium and up north) you'd notice the people you thought were the most level headed people you have ever known are the ones going the other way. Mention Greece and you see them explode, going about how the EU needs to be divided etc. It's frightening to see normal people behaving like that. These are the people governments need to pay attention to. Some of them will be voting for the likes of Le Pen
Orniletter
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You better go to the fucking voting booth and vote against Le Pen and do it with a smile.
Standing by and doing nothing to stop crazy Le Pen would be an outright betrayal against our european ancestors who died in the millions to form what our generation got to enjoy.
There are absolutely no excuses and no wah wah, my principles would wash the literal blood off your hands if Le Pen were to be elected, Frexit and sink the entire EU.
Edit: That came off more agressive than I wanted, sorry. I'm just fed up with "I couldn't vote for Hillary Clinton, I just couldn't"-esque rhetoric. Donald Trump got elected because people didn't want to "choose between the lesser of two evils".
What the fuck is happening to liberalism in the west? What happened to our common progressive movement on the basis of equality and prosperity for all, regardless or race or religion.
You can't fucking bullshit me that a few random asshole terrorists(who I consider part of the conservative movement) ruined it all for us. Are the majority in all countries just naturally so feeble minded?
You can't fucking bullshit me that a few random asshole terrorists(who I consider part of the conservative movement) ruined it all for us. Are the majority in all countries just naturally so feeble minded?
Why? I understand that he will get a "bonus" of popularity (it happens most of the time after somebody is elected from what I saw in the polls) but it should be still pretty close to the result from the presidential 1st round more or less, no?
Frankfurter
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Was to be expected. So I guess the good news is that this makes a Le Pen presidency less likely?
Trying to get those twitter bot votes.
Mass_Pincup
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Terrorism helped a lot, but the incompetence, the infighting and the betrayal of several of the platforms Hollande was elected on managed to completely wrecked the left's chance of winning anything next year.
I'm left leaning but they have no one to blame but themselves.
Usually the PS and Les Républicains (the right) are getting most of the parliament's seats, it shifts depending on the current climate and since the PS has been losing a fair amount of seats during the Regional and Municipals' election I don't see them having a majority this time either.
Well W ( he now enjoys painting and having BBQs at his ranch) and pals invaded the middle east, Europe got the bill for taking care of the refugees. China came in and took all the factories with the help of the rich. 2+2= lots of hate against people running from their homes being bombed and children being killed. Of course its more complex than the above, but you get the idea.
Liberalism will get a nice kick in the tush after another World War, just wait until then ;-)
Help me out, French GAF.
Is this a guy representing neoliberalism, or is he part of the rise of neonationalism like Trump was?
Neoliberalism has allowed prosperity for a few, not all. We do not have liberalism, but neoliberalism.
Look up Mark Blyth's presentation on Global Trumpism. This is a decades long cultivation, not a sudden fringe.
Is this a guy representing neoliberalism, or is he part of the rise of neonationalism like Trump was?
Neoliberalism has allowed prosperity for a few, not all. We do not have liberalism, but neoliberalism.
Look up Mark Blyth's presentation on Global Trumpism. This is a decades long cultivation, not a sudden fringe.
neolib
There are 2 rounds too in France for the legislative elections. That's how Front National has very little MP, they do a good score in the first round but can rarely win the second one because they have no reserve of voices. Winner of the presidential is pretty sure to have the majority in the current system.
What?
So he's the lesser of evils? Oh dear.
That means France will very likely have to suffer more before they choose the accelerant.
LePen will never, ever hold the parliament. No matter what she says, she can't trigger article 50 and make a "frexit".
And the only thing I'm aligned on with Fillon is his stance towards Syria and getting closer to Russia. It's better and far more important for political and regional stability.
The game the US through NATO played against Russia is having severe repercusions in all of Europe
Economic crisis, incompetent political leaders, terrorism. Plus foreigners being always the easy scapegoat.
And the general shitty attitude of the mainstream parties for the past tens of years: something is good (even financed from EU) - "we, the proud locals did it"; something is bad - "EU asked for this"
Plus the complete lack of the discussion about the irreversible impacts of globalism and population ageing.
Ah, I didn't know that. That's interesting.
Herb Alpert
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Palette Swap
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See my other post, it's just the denial part, but don't ask me to smile if I ever have to vote for his current platform which includes:
- tax cuts for the rich. He's literally advocating for trickle down.
- heavy labor deregulation: this isn't just rolling back on that 35 hours week, which I don't necessarily mind, but going for a kind of at will employment that facilitates massive layoffs.
- drastic public cuts, except for police and defense
- rolling back gay adoption. He said he wouldn't touch marriage, but gay couples wouldn't be able to adopt as couples anymore.
entremet
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EC versus popular vote in the US notwithstanding, the liberal movements have taken huge Ls in recent years.
BocoDragon
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How in the fuck did all the right wing parties in the world suddenly all decide at once that they want to be best friends with Russia?
Forcefully taking away land that isn't theirs, waging war, being imperialistic all around?
Human and civil rights violations?
Government that actively Kills opponents and dissidents?
Mass_Pincup
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