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FRIDAYTON MK II: 5.5 million bears and salmon create unholy allliance to sack SONY HQ
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Top AAA games for PC aren't designed or built around people having Titan cards. A big aspect of PC development is scalability.
Neuromancer
Member
Let me ask another pertinent question:
How can tablets like iPad/newer androids manage to multi-task (albeit limited) when the total amount of RAM being 1GB? On the PS4, last I checked, there is no true multi-tasking (like browsing and gaming at the same time with a divided screen or browsing and watching netflix etc simultaneously). In general, most people keep multiple tabs and multiple programs open (not background stuff) but seldom use more than one thing at a time. The most common combination is listening to music along side browsing, editing pictures or the like.
Are we really expect people to do more than 2 different things at a time (360 attained cross game, chat and custom soundtrack simultaneously with a meagre 32MB OS)?
Yes, I am keenly aware that they use their own mobile apps that are less resource intensive and occupy far less space once they are relegated to become a part of the background process. So the question is, why can't we have it for PS4 (and xbone) for that matter?
The only feature innate to PS4 which could be a resource hog is remote play via vita but even then, PS4 won't simultaneously be playing one game while streaming another.
How can tablets like iPad/newer androids manage to multi-task (albeit limited) when the total amount of RAM being 1GB? On the PS4, last I checked, there is no true multi-tasking (like browsing and gaming at the same time with a divided screen or browsing and watching netflix etc simultaneously). In general, most people keep multiple tabs and multiple programs open (not background stuff) but seldom use more than one thing at a time. The most common combination is listening to music along side browsing, editing pictures or the like.
Are we really expect people to do more than 2 different things at a time (360 attained cross game, chat and custom soundtrack simultaneously with a meagre 32MB OS)?
Yes, I am keenly aware that they use their own mobile apps that are less resource intensive and occupy far less space once they are relegated to become a part of the background process. So the question is, why can't we have it for PS4 (and xbone) for that matter?
The only feature innate to PS4 which could be a resource hog is remote play via vita but even then, PS4 won't simultaneously be playing one game while streaming another.
yes hence "pseudo-confirming 2 CPU cores reserved as well"
theviolenthero
Member
So after reading Eurogamer's story and various 'insider' posts in here, here's what i came up with:
4.5gb's guaranteed for games.
1.5 gb's for the OS w/ 1gb being set aside (off limits for game development) for future-proofing the OS. Over time the amount of ram needed for the OS will shrink & the extra ram will be made available for developers.
The last 1gb is "flexible' so it could go for game development (graphics,etc..) or OS type features (in game chat,etc...) depending on what the developer wants or Sony may decide to wall it off from developers and reserve it for even more future proofing of the OS.
4.5gb's guaranteed for games.
1.5 gb's for the OS w/ 1gb being set aside (off limits for game development) for future-proofing the OS. Over time the amount of ram needed for the OS will shrink & the extra ram will be made available for developers.
The last 1gb is "flexible' so it could go for game development (graphics,etc..) or OS type features (in game chat,etc...) depending on what the developer wants or Sony may decide to wall it off from developers and reserve it for even more future proofing of the OS.
BloodMoney
Banned
True... double true.
Give me a boot disk and all 8gb for gaming... Amiga style son!
boot disk... start computer
boot disk... load GUI
boot disk... load Blood Money
GoofsterStud
Member
Optimize the OS Sony. There is no reason it can't be done with 2 GB. I thought 1 GB was a bit extreme but the PS Vita's OS made me believe it's possible. 3 GB just seems a lot for a little.
LOL, i wouldnt actually mind that. Just want to play games. I dont really care about all that other stuff.
Omnistalgic
Member
what the fook is this thread? NO really, I'm actually asking what the hell is going on? Is this a joke? Are people hear seriously upset about some arbitrary numbers getting changed and technical points the majority of gaming forum staff don't even comprehend?
Whoa? the amount of pages here I thought something seriously happened, and as I keep scrolling through, I just get more and more disappointed I still have to be labeled with a group called "gamers"
Utter nonsense...This is not some defense to Sony, but man, what developers are actually coming out and complaining about any of this? if it's 4gb, 5.5, 6.5gb, what does that really matter if the games come out looking amazing? And, cant sony just change things at developers request? WTF is the problem here? So far, Sony seems to have the more powerful system, but the gap is only measured by the content, and we all have to wait for that to happen still. Really, just turned my stomach coming in here. The fook is wrong with this place? Wait till the games come fellas...That's all there is to it..
Whoa? the amount of pages here I thought something seriously happened, and as I keep scrolling through, I just get more and more disappointed I still have to be labeled with a group called "gamers"
Utter nonsense...This is not some defense to Sony, but man, what developers are actually coming out and complaining about any of this? if it's 4gb, 5.5, 6.5gb, what does that really matter if the games come out looking amazing? And, cant sony just change things at developers request? WTF is the problem here? So far, Sony seems to have the more powerful system, but the gap is only measured by the content, and we all have to wait for that to happen still. Really, just turned my stomach coming in here. The fook is wrong with this place? Wait till the games come fellas...That's all there is to it..
Neuromancer
Member
Big heap RAM
Bam Bam Baklava
Member
Isn't that exactly what they're going to be doing? Optimizing over the years.
LOL.It is False.That's the beauty of the end of this story.
Oh, and the press republishing the same crap is pretty amusing.
3GB for XB1's OS seemed excessive against the rumored 1GB PS4 OS. It seems that both will lean in heavily into the task switching app aspect next gen. As long as this also means that we'll get snappy UIs on both systems I'm ok with this. I can't stand the fucking loading times for simple apps and library features.
LukasTaves
Member
No inside info or nothing here, just interpreting what was said:
- 1GB is already reserved for the OS, for future proof, and implement features, the plan is probably to never give it back, unless they can't come up with new features.
- On top of that there's one extra GB, that sony still don't know if it will be useful for the OS, so currently they are letting developers use it, but they have to understand that memory is optional and might not be there all the time. That is most likely the first chunk of memory that will be given back to developers by the time Sony matures where they want to take their console.
DeadlyVirus
Member
A rumor doesn't pseudo-confirm anything
Lovely. Thanks for the clarification. I'm kind of glad I've mostly stayed away from these "rah rah numbers" threads.
You're overreacting to overreaction.
SEGAvangelist
Member
HUH?!?!?
Krusenstern
Banned
So, I missed the show. Are only 4.5GB or 5.5GB available for games? And is this bad?
test_account
XP-39C²
Ok, i see, thanks for the answer.
killer rin
Member
What do you mean developers can only use 7.99GB of Ram. Eff Sony, I will never purchase again.
saveweyard
Banned
From the stuff shinobi posted the OS is not using 3.5GB and never will. The max it will use is 2.5GB, and the bloat will probably be cut over the years as developers start needing more.
IHaveCandy
Banned
I think Sony should at some point clarify that this memory holding is not intended to be permanent. I think they could easily explain they want to make sure they have enough RAM for OS features before finalizing it. They won't be able to get RAM back once games are released.
Audible Phonetics
Member
Why is it a pretty big deal to you if the Devs don't see it as an issue?
Doesn't make any sense.
It depends how you define multitask as we have already been shown multitasking.
Garrett 2U
Member
The PS4's "multi tasking" seems a lot like iOS's where the two applications aren't actually running in parallel. The background applications are in a suspended state until they are awoken by switching to them.
The XboxOne's "snap" multi tasking is actually two applications running at the same time, both on the screen. However it also has the ability to suspend background applications and instantly switch between them.
LyleLanley
Banned
So is it safe to say that this is the biggest thing to ever happen to gaming and/or humanity?
Yeah, I missed that. We may be hearing about a bump in Xbox One specs soon?
D
Deleted member 80556
Unconfirmed Member
:lol whatever makes you happy dude
Steve Youngblood
Member
Okay, honestly, I don't really care to weigh much at this juncture, but these posts seem almost as silly to me as the "I've seriously cancelled my pre-order without waiting for any sort of confirmation because this is bullshit" posts. The difference between "developers will have access to 100% of that 8GB of RAM" and "devlopers will have access to 5.5 -- or 69% -- of the system's RAM" or worse "developers will have access to 4.5 -- or 56% -- of the system's RAM" is not insubstantial.
My recommendation would be to wait for the dust to settle. But if there's meat to these rumors -- while I don't advise devolving into console warrior nonsense and hyperbole -- it's worth understanding that this does take a bit of the wind from the sales just in terms of what a juggernaut this system will be. This is particularly true for those of us that aren't exactly all that excited for the OS features to begin with.
About 1GB, but it would be beyond wasteful to keep all of it in RAM when the hard drive is easily fast enough.
GoofsterStud
Member
You would think...but Vita is Sony's best OS and it's uses a ridiculous small amount of ram. :-(
I hope were not going back to XMB.
It's the worst.
killer rin
Member
Their was rumors of either an upclock or swapping out the boards with the devkit boards which contain 12GB of RAM. Though none of those have clear leads and its best if you just ignore them, for now.
Majmun
Member
This is really, really bad. MS must be partying right now. The GDDR5 just can't win from the bear+salmon alliance. It's over.
Omnistalgic
Member
so is the majority of the thread then just tongue and cheek and more humorous than complaining? I really got a complaining vibe from reading through 4-5 pages, can't tell if sarcasms or not..
if it is complaining and not sarcasms and humor, no...I don't think I'm overreacting at all, it's the most short-sighted, impatient/ignorant posts I've read in a while...
NullPointer
Member
*buckles 10-point seatbelt*
*attaches safety harness, configures tension parameters*
*dons helmet*
*knocks roll cage for luck*
*thumbs up*
Oh, this silly rumor about upping the Xbone RAM to 12 GB 3 months before launch. Wishful dreams.
Interesting. I'll just wait and see how it plays out.
Vestal
Junior Member
depends on compression. It could easily take 160meg per minute to record.
Same with Streaming via Ustream or Twitch for Sony and MS respectively, running a game and streaming it at the same time with a side UI for chatting and viewer interaction definitely needs some RAM.
Can Crusher
Banned
PS1 -> 2 MB RAM
PS2 -> 32 MB RAM
PS3 -> 512 MB of RAM
PS4 -> 8000 MB of RAM.
16x multiplier seems to work from gen to gen. I don't see the huge leap. It would be more interesting to see system reserves for OS purposes.
Playstation 3 -> Started with 120 MB (23%), finished with 50Mb? (10% - in 2010)
Playstation 4 -> Starts with 3.5 GB (38%)
So same increase in ram, but less percentage available.
