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[amr]

That´s awful.

Both machines - Ps4 and xbox one - are already coming in underpowered

You couldn't know less about what you're talking about. Not to be mean. But you're talking out your bottom.

 

[Interfectum]

Ok so, my assessment of the rumor.

4.5 dedicated for games.
1.5 dedicated for the OS.
1 reserved for games (über devs club only).
1 reserved for future proofing the OS.

Am I right?

How does one get in the "uber devs club"?

 

[jaypah]

Banned.

Nevermind, I'm not gonna shit on a banned member.

Man, this thread is amazing. Amazing! I'm ok with the RAM situation if this is true. I thought it would be higher but whatevz, preorder still on, fuck the spec-wars crap.

 

[MagicWithEarvin]

Just like the first fridayton thread, I'm going to make a Wall of Shame post in a bit. Too many funny posts and knee-jerk reactions.

 

[Demon Ice]

New thread title is amazing.

I wonder how many of the posters ITT know what RAM is.

 

[anexanhume]

Naughty Dog Programmer:
https://twitter.com/cowbs/status/360862536121335808

 

[dragonbane]

Ok so, my assessment of the rumor.

4.5 dedicated for games.
1.5 dedicated for the OS.
1 reserved for games (über devs club only).
1 reserved for future proofing the OS.

Am I right?

No. The extra 1 GB is for all the devs in case they need it. If Sony is starting to get complaints that devs need more RAM they will unlock it for everybody.

I've been busy since this first got posted and now it's a tread with a billion posts and a silly name change.

What the fuck is going on?

The usual stuff.

 

[Mr.Marston]

Such a kerfuffle over nothing. 5.5 GB for games which will probably only get larger once they shrink the OS footprint like they did with PS3. Big deal.

 

[Canis lupus]

Thanks to whoever mod removing that ugly master race pic

 

[Tratorn]

Overreaction much?

Don't feed the trolls!

 

[Eusis]

Ok so, my assessment of the rumor.

4.5 dedicated for games.
1.5 dedicated for the OS.
1 reserved for games (über devs club only).
1 reserved for future proofing the OS.

Am I right?

Sounds like it. Though I'm guessing the "uber dev" ram will be space for things that can be shut off while playing a game, similar to wireless on the Vita. That way they can add stuff there, but shut it down if it's a problem.

It's a MILD disappointment, but how much having that RAM will benefit us is entirely hypothetical without any games existing to show us how it could be otherwise, so short of crazy optimization and blowing the doors wide open later on so it's not a big deal (and in that case it's a later gen boost), though I am amazed at how some people seriously canned their PS4 pre-orders over this. Though after the last thread maybe I shouldn't be.

 

[funkystudent]

I really dont understand the 1 gig of "flexible memory".

So a gig of memory that isnt dedicated to the OS but isnt fully dedicated to gaming ether. Doesnt make much sense.

Given DF's recent FUD spreading I wouldnt be shocked if they selectionally twisted some things around here but I still dont get whats going on.



Oh and just out of curiosity what was the PS3 OS footprint at launch versus now. Wasnt it close to 200mbs or something silly?

 

[cyberheater]

http://blogs.federaltimes.com/feder.../09/at-pentagon-the-ps3-only-does-everything/

If PS3 was powerful enough to prove the existance of God, what will PS4 reveal upon us?

Please explain that line. I'm interested.

 

[Bigmac1910]

...because they adjusted their RAM allocation? What.

Yeah, since they seem to go down the same route as the XB1, loads of useless features that I will never use. In a couple of years more ram would matter for the exclusives.

 

[TheMink]

Still not confirmed?

 

[RSTEIN]

Sarcasm?

The PS4 is still a much stronger console.

5.5GB GDDR5 vs 5GB DDR3
1.84TF GPU vs 1.23TF GPU

much? We won't really see any differences between the platforms.

What is clear is that the difference between PC and consoles this generation is going to be bonkers.

 

[kingkitty]

That's a lot of OS ram doohickey. A little disappointed, but this won't affect my purchase.

 

[Orayn]

Actually, it's usually around 600MB for 15 min of 1080p in .mp4 for youtube.

Regardless, it's ridiculous if they are holding that in RAM.

I was going with YouTube's recommended settings for uploading, which are admittedly kinda high. If you got that figure from downloading a video, I believe it's because YouTube transcodes/compresses to a lower bitrate for playback.

 

[Anhkow]

I thought the One uses 9 jB of slower memory. 3 jigabytes times 3 operating systems. When game is loaded, say for instance titanfall, it has 6 for the gaem since the only OS needed is the main one.


Plus, again, less memory on ps4 will mean two discs. Similar to how 360 works because it has less memory than ps3.

 

[i-Lo]

Quite a while ago, I was cheerfully trolling and wrote, what if it was 4+4GB configuration, i.e. 4 for games and 4 for OS. Oh how prophetic that little joke turned out to be.

Makes me wonder, given what we've seen from cards with 2GB ram, why didn't Sony just occupy 5.5GB for features and 3.5GB for games given if what KZSF shown is the future, then 1.5GB being reserved for non-GPU related tasks ought to be plenty. Nearly a 7 times increase. Lest we forget, that was the original figure anyway.

Plus, there is nothing like future proofing your console for one that no one would dare to guess upon.

 

[Skilletor]

This thread is so confusing.

 

[KAL2006]

Octodad dev on Twitter, makes this rumor seem more true. Oh well I am disappointed to say the least, yes I know PS4 is still more powerful than Xbox One, but that huge amount of RAM couldn't got us some crazy possibilities, I am not saying you can't do much with 4.5GB, but you couldn't done much more with 7GB. Also I don't care for OS features, save for sleep mode and minor multitasking features the VIta has (Vita does this with 512MB)

 

[Valnen]

4.5gb CONFIRMED.

So a shitty indie dev doesn't care about how much RAM is in the system. That really shouldn't surprise anyone.

 

[kasane]

This thread is driving me nuts. Wut sony says!

 

[kewlmyc]

I'm pretty sure a lot of people in here don't know how RAM works.

 

[Odrion]

4.5gb CONFIRMED.

@visteps My honest thoughts are that more ram is always great, but just having a bunch of memory does not mean great games are made.

Sounds like a WiiU dev, lol.

 

[shinobi602]

Ok so, my assessment of the rumor.

1 reserved for games (über devs club only).

Am I right?

lolno

 

[amr]

Naughty Dog Programmer:
https://twitter.com/cowbs/status/360862536121335808

Wow.

If you think this is a "big deal," Naughty Dog just ethered you. Naughty Dog. They made a game called The Last of Us. You may have heard of it.

 

[ChronotriggerJM]

If the insider leaks are true then 1GB for future features, 1.5GB for the OS, and 1 GB for reserve ?

Future features should be included in that 1.5 lol. There's absolutely no way their current OS is using 1.5 gigs of GDDR5.

 

[brandnew]

This thread is so confusing.

Pages 60-75 should help clear all that up.

 

[jaypah]

Naughty Dog Programmer:
https://twitter.com/cowbs/status/360862536121335808

He/She should know that internet rule #1 is you never read the comments. For any site. Ever.

 

[glenn8]

Please explain that line. I'm interested.

The PS4 CPU is weaker than the PS3's CPU at that time

 

[Anpanman]

Naughty Dog Programmer:
https://twitter.com/cowbs/status/360862536121335808

So now the devs all come out and say we're idiots for caring about this. Nice.

 

[Midou]

I am amazed at a lot of these reactions. I would like to lean on thinking people are being ridiculous for the sake of it.

If you want the absolute most powerful thing you can get when the PS4/XB1 come out, it isn't those systems anyways.

So now the devs all come out and say we're idiots for caring about this. Nice.

I did not read it like that. And why would random Gaffers know it's worth caring about more than a developer?

He is right about there not being enough palms.

 

[MagicWithEarvin]

I really dont understand the 1 gig of "flexible memory".

So a gig of memory that isnt dedicated to the OS but isnt fully dedicated to gaming ether. Doesnt make much sense.

Given DF's recent FUD spreading I wouldnt be shocked if they selectionally twisted some things around here but I still dont get whats going on.

I bet Sony went around asking devs how much RAM they felt need allocated for everything they needed to do, and if need be - can unlock that extra 1GB for them in the future.

 

[jWILL253]

There is still no confirmation. Everyone in this thread is either freaking out unnecessarily over a rumor that doesn't make any sense, or is taking the piss, mods included. Shit, even some developers are taking shots!

Digital Foundry has broken GAF. It's kinda sad...

 

[SwiftDeath]

Did anyone ever even ask Sony if the 7GB thing was true or not? Are they supposed to respond to every speculative notion that spreads on the internet?

Sony feels bad about this

Monday Cerny announces "while Devs are happy with the 8gb of GDDR5, our gamers were not"

"So we're doubling it again to 16gb's"

"Devs can't possibly use that much ram now but on the off chance they will"

So less tub reading for people then?

 

[SEGAvangelist]

Naughty Dog Programmer:
https://twitter.com/cowbs/status/360862536121335808

Doesn't confirm or deny anything other than him thinking some of the posters here are pretty dumb (true).

 

[Bringer Of Bacon]

Anyone know when the MK III comes out? I'm just gonna wait and preorder III instead of II.

 

[Orayn]

So now the devs all come out and say we're idiots for caring about this. Nice.

You should tell the developers they're wrong since you clearly know better.

 

[Audible Phonetics]

Naughty Dog Programmer:
https://twitter.com/cowbs/status/360862536121335808

This pretty much ethers this thread.

If ND is even Face Palming than what the hell is Gaf in uproar for?

 

[illmatic22]

This really is NeoGAF: The Thread!

Amazing.

 

[FairXchange]

That´s awful.

Both machines - Ps4 and xbox one - are already coming in underpowered and on top of that both machines reserve a lot of resources for non gaming stuff. That´s just awful.

The next question should be: how many cpu core and gpu resources are reserved for the os too?!

That also explains the poor grafical quality of games like Knack, Driveclub and Killzone (the forest area).

And now i can also understand why Infamous had such amount of pop ups.

I'm very underwhelmed und it´s clear that Sony´s gamers console marketing is just.... marketing.

So, you believe the reason these games don't look good (in your opinion) is because of how the RAM is split and not because they're unfinished code running on unfinished hardware?

 

[Ryoku]

Ok so, my assessment of the rumor.

4.5 dedicated for games.
1.5 dedicated for the OS.
1 reserved for games (über devs club only).
1 reserved for future proofing the OS.

Am I right?

What is the point of reserving 1GB of games if that RAM is going to be used for games, anyways? Uber devs club? What?

 

[darkwing]

Naughty Dog Programmer:
https://twitter.com/cowbs/status/360862536121335808

.

 

[brandnew]

There is still no confirmation. Everyone in this thread is either freaking out unnecessarily over a rumor that doesn't make any sense, or is taking the piss, mods included.

Digital Foundry has broken GAF. It's kinda sad...

I think GAF broke itself....

 

[cyberheater]

The PS4 CPU is weaker than the PS3's CPU at that time

Oh. I was hoping for something more. Thanks.

 

[Vashetti]

Naughty Dog Programmer:
https://twitter.com/cowbs/status/360862536121335808

Naughty Gods have spoken.

Pack it up folks. They made TLOU on 462MB of RAM.

And had to make all of Joel's animations work within 5MB of that.

Nothing to worry about.

 

[fred]

I'm pretty sure I remember reading somewhere that indie devs only have access to 3GB of RAM for One development. I'm assuming that all devs have the same restrictions too so that's still 1.5GB more of faster RAM for devs to play with. Unless I read that wrong..?

 

[Gaffercake]

I'm all for humour, but the thread title change is stupid as hell and unnecessary.