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[Chobel]

Our worst fears confirmed.

PS4 is doomed!!!

 

[The Elite]

That's one. He said a lot. Not all.

And why are there footprints on the wall anyway.

Jesus walks on walls.

 

[SEGAvangelist]

You sure are quick to downplay a ND programmer saying that the comments he is reading about in the articles are making him facepalm when inevitably these comments are discussing the same things we are.

It doesn't confirm that 4.5GB is the available amount, though.

 

[cyberheater]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=611971&highlight=pentagod

Just read the whole thread.

Yeah. Remember that thread. I thought that's what you meant. I thought he was really on to something there. Just a no show though. Pity.

 

[Guymelef]

John Bellomy
@cowbs
Technologik; Naughty Dog Programmer

Santa Monica, CA · naughtydog.com

Followed by Adam Boyes and Naughty Dog.

 

[User 23187]

I'm all for humour, but the thread title change is stupid as hell and unnecessary.

Mods are probably trying to hide this topic since it's pretty embarrassing.

 

[ethomaz]

John Bellomy
@cowbs
Technologik; Naughty Dog Programmer

Santa Monica, CA · naughtydog.com

I mean he is saying these RAM comments are fake?

 

[TheHater]

I don't get this, and what. More is always better, yes they can squeeze a lot into a bit of RAM, but perhaps more RAM, would have made the game 1080p, more open environments and etc. People who are annoyed are not saying 4.5GB is shit, but 7GB as we once assumed would have been amazing.

how so? 7GB of ram isn't going to make a shiity game a great game. The Last of Us is one of my favorite games and that using less than 512MB of rams.

 

[Toki767]

So this is what it's like when a bunch of fanboys had to go through 2+ months of constant bad news and finally see some small bit of news to cling on to.

 

[Courage]

Yeah, since they seem to go down the same route as the XB1, loads of useless features that I will never use. In a couple of years more ram would matter for the exclusives.

It's still a console for gamers and even the features they're developing are oriented around gamers (multitasking, recording videos, livestreaming etc.)

 

[PlanetSmasher]

Uhh the last advantage would be the price point.

Price point is a temporary advantage, and one they can't count on forever. A significant power boost is a permanent advantage.

 

[Yawnier]

Sony just shot themselves in the foot.

I don't know how much the rest of you know about RAM (I'm an expert), but the amount that is useable for devs and OS are huge parts of it. It's not like it is with Microsoft where you can become successful by being an asshole. If you screw gamers over regarding RAM availability, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.

What this means is the gaming public and devs, after hearing about this, are not going to want to purchase a PS4 or develop for it, they will buy a Xbox One instead which has more RAM available for games. This is HUGE (just like the amount of RAM available for gaming of the XB1 compared to the PS4). You can laugh all you want, but Sony has alienated the entire market with this move.

It's over, period. Sony lost their last ace, and that's the end of their PS4 hopes and dreams.

It's not hyperbole, it's not fanboy drivel. It is LITERALLY it for PS4. Sony has nothing left, nothing they have can fix the hole now created. There is no reason left for anyone, hardcore or casual, to substantially invest in a PS3. Except if they want to play Driveclub. Which will suck because it won't be using 8GB of that glorious GDDR5.

Sony themselves took the last reason away that anyone would NEED to own a PS4 over a Xbox One (except GAIKAI CLOUD LOL GAMING), and the cavalcade of tiny indie titles that will be nice but won't add more RAM, it's just simply not going to salvage the bloated, underdesigned midget that is the PS4

There may be some hardcore gamers that stick around. Some did it for Gamecube too. But the last bell tolled. Maybe next decade.

The age of Sony is done.

Wow, what an excellent combination and remix of the two greatest posts in the history of GAF.

 

[kinggroin]

Jesus walks on walls.

Agree to disagree

 

[Audible Phonetics]

Sony just shot themselves in the foot.

I don't know how much the rest of you know about RAM (I'm an expert), but the amount that is useable for devs and OS are huge parts of it. It's not like it is with Microsoft where you can become successful by being an asshole. If you screw gamers over regarding RAM availability, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.

What this means is the gaming public and devs, after hearing about this, are not going to want to purchase a PS4 or develop for it, they will buy a Xbox One instead which has more RAM available for games. This is HUGE (just like the amount of RAM available for gaming of the XB1 compared to the PS4). You can laugh all you want, but Sony has alienated the entire market with this move.

It's over, period. Sony lost their last ace, and that's the end of their PS4 hopes and dreams.

It's not hyperbole, it's not fanboy drivel. It is LITERALLY it for PS4. Sony has nothing left, nothing they have can fix the hole now created. There is no reason left for anyone, hardcore or casual, to substantially invest in a PS4. Except if they want to play Driveclub. Which will suck because it won't be using 8GB of that glorious GDDR5.

Sony themselves took the last reason away that anyone would NEED to own a PS4 over a Xbox One (except GAIKAI CLOUD LOL GAMING), and the cavalcade of tiny indie titles that will be nice but won't add more RAM, it's just simply not going to salvage the bloated, underdesigned midget that is the PS4

There may be some hardcore gamers that stick around. Some did it for Gamecube too. But the last bell tolled. Maybe next decade.

The age of Sony is done.

 

[Andronicus]

So fake...

hes followed by Amy Hennig, ND & other employees *blankstare*

 

[Dennis]

More like

This Is Neogaffing

 

[ChronotriggerJM]

Mother of god

 

[prwxv3]

Price point is a temporary advantage, and one they can't count on forever. A significant power boost is a permanent advantage.

They still have the power advantage

 

[Vashetti]

lmao at the TLOU detractors in here.

If it was on the Xbox you'd be singing it's praises.

Since this is a shit on Sony thread, however...

 

[amr]

Last of Us had a lot of low quality textures and glitches. It was only really pretty for a console game.

 

[kinggroin]

So this is what it's like when a bunch of fanboys had to go through 2+ months of constant bad news and finally see some small bit of news to cling on to.

Name one fanboy

He's might be right

 

[Midou]

Kind of feel like by the time any game would use 7GB of ram, the PS4 would be too weak to utilize it 100% anyways. I mean, there are plenty of open world games this gen on consoles that run on under 500. A game would have to be pretty damn good looking and pretty fucking open to use 7GB of ram like people assumed.

 

[Wynnebeck]

It doesn't confirm that 4.5GB is the available amount, though.

So then what are you talking about?

 

[Krusenstern]

Sony just shot themselves in the foot.

I don't know how much the rest of you know about RAM (I'm an expert), but the amount that is useable for devs and OS are huge parts of it. It's not like it is with Microsoft where you can become successful by being an asshole. If you screw gamers over regarding RAM availability, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.

What this means is the gaming public and devs, after hearing about this, are not going to want to purchase a PS4 or develop for it, they will buy a Xbox One instead which has more RAM available for games. This is HUGE (just like the amount of RAM available for gaming of the XB1 compared to the PS4). You can laugh all you want, but Sony has alienated the entire market with this move.

It's over, period. Sony lost their last ace, and that's the end of their PS4 hopes and dreams.

It's not hyperbole, it's not fanboy drivel. It is LITERALLY it for PS4. Sony has nothing left, nothing they have can fix the hole now created. There is no reason left for anyone, hardcore or casual, to substantially invest in a PS4. Except if they want to play Driveclub. Which will suck because it won't be using 8GB of that glorious GDDR5.

Sony themselves took the last reason away that anyone would NEED to own a PS4 over a Xbox One (except GAIKAI CLOUD LOL GAMING), and the cavalcade of tiny indie titles that will be nice but won't add more RAM, it's just simply not going to salvage the bloated, underdesigned midget that is the PS4

There may be some hardcore gamers that stick around. Some did it for Gamecube too. But the last bell tolled. Maybe next decade.

The age of Sony is done.

Not as good as the original, but still nice.

 

[R3TRO]

I love me some TLOU.

 

[KoopaTheCasual]

Sony just shot themselves in the foot.

I don't know how much the rest of you know about RAM (I'm an expert), but the amount that is useable for devs and OS are huge parts of it. It's not like it is with Microsoft where you can become successful by being an asshole. If you screw gamers over regarding RAM availability, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.

What this means is the gaming public and devs, after hearing about this, are not going to want to purchase a PS4 or develop for it, they will buy a Xbox One instead which has more RAM available for games. This is HUGE (just like the amount of RAM available for gaming of the XB1 compared to the PS4). You can laugh all you want, but Sony has alienated the entire market with this move.

It's over, period. Sony lost their last ace, and that's the end of their PS4 hopes and dreams.

It's not hyperbole, it's not fanboy drivel. It is LITERALLY it for PS4. Sony has nothing left, nothing they have can fix the hole now created. There is no reason left for anyone, hardcore or casual, to substantially invest in a PS4. Except if they want to play Driveclub. Which will suck because it won't be using 8GB of that glorious GDDR5.

Sony themselves took the last reason away that anyone would NEED to own a PS4 over a Xbox One (except GAIKAI CLOUD LOL GAMING), and the cavalcade of tiny indie titles that will be nice but won't add more RAM, it's just simply not going to salvage the bloated, underdesigned midget that is the PS4

There may be some hardcore gamers that stick around. Some did it for Gamecube too. But the last bell tolled. Maybe next decade.

The age of Sony is done.

Man.... will Amir0x ever live that post down?

 

[i-Lo]

Next week we may see another shit storm when another (hypothetical) twitter post shows up claiming that the OS requires a certain percentage of PS4 GPU's processing power "at all times" bringing the TF figure down to around 1.23TF compared to Xbone's 1.107TF for games.

Sony is looking at all possible scenarios to level the playing field it seems.

Last of Us had a lot of low quality textures and glitches. It was only really pretty for a console game.

It was pretty because of its lighting and art direction.

But if railing their game lends credibility to your argument please do go on.

 

[Piggus]

That confirms nothing. It could be true and he just sees everyone here as over reacting.

Well people ARE overreacting.

 

[kasane]

Amir0x parody post? Didn't read it in its entirety

 

[jaosobno]

Sony just shot themselves in the foot.

I don't know how much the rest of you know about RAM (I'm an expert), but the amount that is useable for devs and OS are huge parts of it. It's not like it is with Microsoft where you can become successful by being an asshole. If you screw gamers over regarding RAM availability, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.

What this means is the gaming public and devs, after hearing about this, are not going to want to purchase a PS4 or develop for it, they will buy a Xbox One instead which has more RAM available for games. This is HUGE (just like the amount of RAM available for gaming of the XB1 compared to the PS4). You can laugh all you want, but Sony has alienated the entire market with this move.

It's over, period. Sony lost their last ace, and that's the end of their PS4 hopes and dreams.

It's not hyperbole, it's not fanboy drivel. It is LITERALLY it for PS4. Sony has nothing left, nothing they have can fix the hole now created. There is no reason left for anyone, hardcore or casual, to substantially invest in a PS4. Except if they want to play Driveclub. Which will suck because it won't be using 8GB of that glorious GDDR5.

Sony themselves took the last reason away that anyone would NEED to own a PS4 over a Xbox One (except GAIKAI CLOUD LOL GAMING), and the cavalcade of tiny indie titles that will be nice but won't add more RAM, it's just simply not going to salvage the bloated, underdesigned midget that is the PS4

There may be some hardcore gamers that stick around. Some did it for Gamecube too. But the last bell tolled. Maybe next decade.

The age of Sony is done.

Ahahahhaa, I was wondering when someone will do this!

 

[jayu26]

It is an inside Gaf joke. You will learn soon enough.

 

[BleachAndPepsi]

We haven't seen an official debunk yet? Christ. Hopefully this ends up not being true. If it is, Sony pretty much lost their last significant advantage over the XBONE. It'd be a really stupid move on their part.

Are you serious with this??

Please explain how giving devs 4.5-5.5GB GDDR5 RAM is equal to or worse than giving them 5GB DDR3 RAM? Then explain the same about the PS4's better GPU.

 

[Vashetti]

I mean he is saying these RAM comments are fake?

No, he's laughing at everyone's OTT and uneducated responses to it.

 

[MagicWithEarvin]

Sony just shot themselves in the foot.

I don't know how much the rest of you know about RAM (I'm an expert), but the amount that is useable for devs and OS are huge parts of it. It's not like it is with Microsoft where you can become successful by being an asshole. If you screw gamers over regarding RAM availability, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.

What this means is the gaming public and devs, after hearing about this, are not going to want to purchase a PS4 or develop for it, they will buy a Xbox One instead which has more RAM available for games. This is HUGE (just like the amount of RAM available for gaming of the XB1 compared to the PS4). You can laugh all you want, but Sony has alienated the entire market with this move.

It's over, period. Sony lost their last ace, and that's the end of their PS4 hopes and dreams.

It's not hyperbole, it's not fanboy drivel. It is LITERALLY it for PS4. Sony has nothing left, nothing they have can fix the hole now created. There is no reason left for anyone, hardcore or casual, to substantially invest in a PS4. Except if they want to play Driveclub. Which will suck because it won't be using 8GB of that glorious GDDR5.

Sony themselves took the last reason away that anyone would NEED to own a PS4 over a Xbox One (except GAIKAI CLOUD LOL GAMING), and the cavalcade of tiny indie titles that will be nice but won't add more RAM, it's just simply not going to salvage the bloated, underdesigned midget that is the PS4

There may be some hardcore gamers that stick around. Some did it for Gamecube too. But the last bell tolled. Maybe next decade.

The age of Sony is done.

Bwahahaha

Spoiler

Let's see how many fall for it

 

[Sullichin]

Good example, look at that rock texture!

Can't tell if serious, this looks amazing for PS3

 

[SEGAvangelist]

So then what are you talking about?

People are using that post to confirm the article is fake. That tweet says nothing about whether it's fake or not, but instead comments on how everyone is reacting to it

 

[nded]

Next Gen gaming in danger because I don't understand how RAM works.

 

[cyberheater]

Last of Us had a lot of low quality textures and glitches. It was only really pretty for a console game.

Well just imagine if you took all the code for that game which is way less then 512mb and then added another 4Gb of high resolution textures to it. How would it look then?

 

[KAL2006]

how so? 7GB of ram isn't going to make a shiity game a great game. The Last of Us is one of my favorite games and that using less than 512MB of rams.

In that case, forget it, give PS4 1GB of RAM. You see where I am coming from, yes you can make an amazing game with 4.5GB RAM, but with 7GB you can do more. 7GB>4.5GB>1GB>512MB, this is all basic maths the higher number is always better. We assumed PS4 had at the least 6GB dedicated to games, now it's 4GB of course some people will be disappointed as this is a thread about RAM.

 

[glenn8]

Sony just shot themselves in the foot.

I don't know how much the rest of you know about RAM (I'm an expert), but the amount that is useable for devs and OS are huge parts of it. It's not like it is with Microsoft where you can become successful by being an asshole. If you screw gamers over regarding RAM availability, you bring shame to yourself, and the only way to get rid of that shame is repentance.

What this means is the gaming public and devs, after hearing about this, are not going to want to purchase a PS4 or develop for it, they will buy a Xbox One instead which has more RAM available for games. This is HUGE (just like the amount of RAM available for gaming of the XB1 compared to the PS4). You can laugh all you want, but Sony has alienated the entire market with this move.

It's over, period. Sony lost their last ace, and that's the end of their PS4 hopes and dreams.

It's not hyperbole, it's not fanboy drivel. It is LITERALLY it for PS4. Sony has nothing left, nothing they have can fix the hole now created. There is no reason left for anyone, hardcore or casual, to substantially invest in a PS4. Except if they want to play Driveclub. Which will suck because it won't be using 8GB of that glorious GDDR5.

Sony themselves took the last reason away that anyone would NEED to own a PS4 over a Xbox One (except GAIKAI CLOUD LOL GAMING), and the cavalcade of tiny indie titles that will be nice but won't add more RAM, it's just simply not going to salvage the bloated, underdesigned midget that is the PS4

There may be some hardcore gamers that stick around. Some did it for Gamecube too. But the last bell tolled. Maybe next decade.

The age of Sony is done.

That replacement with ps4. Masterwork.

 

[prwxv3]

Someone needs to start the wall of shame post so the neogaf shit posts guy does not have to go through this huge thread.

 

[dragonbane]

Just feels like I'm going to pay for a bunch of useless features since the OS needs so much damn RAM which could have been given to games instead, and I do believe that it will affect the exclusives in the future, I just don't know by how much, if at all. Anyway, just have a temporary FUD here lol.

But the games don't need it. How it is going to benefit games if no game is using it? They probably hit the limit of the CPU or GPU first before ever hitting the RAM limit. If they do hit it one day Sony will unlock more RAM. You don't have to worry about exclusives. This will actually make the games look better over time, because they will start to have more RAM available.

The exact same thing happened with the PS3. The only difference is now that both the OS and games have enough RAM available from the start.

well, everything I've seen looks great so far in the PS4 looks great, so...

besides, isn't GDDR5 much better than DDR3?

after that, XBone has 5 GB of DDR3 available for AAA games and PS4 will have 5.5 GB of GDDR5 available?

so, PS4>>>>>>XBone right? am I missing something?

You don't miss anything.

 

[KaiserBecks]

It really works every time.

 

[Curufinwe]

John Bellomy
@cowbs
Technologik; Naughty Dog Programmer

Santa Monica, CA · naughtydog.com

Is that "Cowboy" who appears on the E3 Bombcasts sometimes?

 

[EightBitNate]

PlayStation 4.5

 

[maneil99]

My Guess is since they don't have official dev kits ( Dev kits have mroe ram then the console ships with, so the PS4 dev kit should have 12 gb ) They need to use alot of the ram in the PS4 for Debugging?

 

[jWILL253]

Now the Last of Us gets the piss as well?

I'm out. I'll come back to this thread whenever there is an official confirmation or whenever the game industry can grow up and just give a simple yes/no answer without being childish about it. Whichever comes first...

 

[Valnen]

It was pretty because of its lighting and art direction.

But if railing their game lends credibility to your argument please do go on.

Like any console game, it leaves much to be desired in terms of visuals. Between the aliasing and blurry textures on various objects in the environment, it was definitely a console game. A high quality one, sure. But it's not perfect.

To the people who disagree with me, are you suggesting that the graphics were perfect and couldn't be improved in any way?

 

[Limit]

Is that "Cowboy" who appears on the E3 Bombcasts sometimes?

Yup, that's him.

 

[PlanetSmasher]

Are you serious with this??

Please explain how giving devs 4.5-5.5GB GDDR5 RAM is equal to or worse than giving them 5GB DDR3 RAM? Then explain the same about the PS4's better GPU.

It's not worse than what the XBone has. That's absolute madness to even consider. What I'm saying is that the gap just closed significantly compared to where it was before.

And that IS a damn shame, regardless of how good 5.5GB of GDDR5 might be. It could have been better. Giving devs MORE to work with is never a bad thing, especially when the tradeoff is more worthless UI apps that nobody will ever actually use.