Of course I do: https://youtu.be/nHbajQ8U8Fw?t=28s
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GAF do you wash your meat?
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Morrigan Stark
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Not sure how any of this applies to what I said. I was quoting people who explicitly acknowledged they were disregarding scientific evidence (from reputable sources) and going with their feelings instead. Not people saying "well actually the science isn't that clear because <real argument with evidence>" or anything like that.
Well, sure, but this isn't relevant because it's not like there's even a profit motive to be had here. Someone being skeptical of a drug because "big pharma is sketchy" might (though often, it actually doesn't) make some sense, but we're talking about rinsing meat... lol.
Unless you're (general "you" not you "you"
) a CT wacko who thinks the NHS is purposefully trying to poison people by telling them to not rinse their chicken, in which case you'd obviously not be even worth engaging with. xDjstevenson
Sailor Stevenson
depends on what I'm doing with it.
cut steaks? nah, though I season them.
something like a tenderloin for beef wellington or a brisket? I definitely rinse those off of blood and trim them
cut steaks? nah, though I season them.
something like a tenderloin for beef wellington or a brisket? I definitely rinse those off of blood and trim them
SpinningBirdKick
Banned
Never wash any meat. Just put it straight into the oven.
Because otherwise it's sterile right
The burden of proof always is on you (the general you, but also the specific
if you claim something to be evidence. There is no gold standard that can be met after which a factual statement becomes true in and by itself.People should never be dismissed just because they rather believe their intuition (or feelings / common sense / experience / tradition / reasoning etc.) than a reference to some expert's argumentation. If the evidence is solid, you can (and should, since you are trying to convince that person) present it in a way that a layman can understand, too. At this point, that person might accept it for now or argue against the concrete points that were made.
It's just as much about understanding and respecting where your counterpart is coming from as it is about proposing your view on things. If the other person seems to be stubborn or dismissive, ask yourself why you haven't found the common ground from which the discussion can start.
you should definitely not let food sit
that's unsafe food etiquette
defrost in the fridge the night before if it's frozen
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
I mean, no, but that's because I cook my meat.
With all due respect, you are woefully misinformed. You are not supposed to cook refrigerator cold steaks unless you like them burned on the outside and undercooked on the inside. Letting a steak come up to room temperature before cooking is bog standard practice.
With all due respect, you are woefully misinformed. You are not supposed to cook refrigerator cold steaks unless you like them burned on the outside and undercooked on the inside. Letting a steak come up to room temperature before cooking is bog standard practice.
Already Torn
Banned
What the hell is some water gonna do? Vinegar is made by microorganisms too 😦
But no OP, I don't
Soapbox Killer
Grand Nagus
Red meat? No
Chicken and Seafood? yes
Chicken and Seafood? yes
What the fuck is wrong with you people? Washing meat only contaminates the rest of your kitchen, and is redundant as the high heat you should be using to actually cook the stuff kills all (most) harmful bacteria anyway.
Would you eat the meat raw after washing it? It's clean now, right?
Jeeze.
Would you eat the meat raw after washing it? It's clean now, right?
Jeeze.
Correct.
updated for title
http://amazingribs.com/tips_and_technique/mythbusting_letting_meat_come_to_room_temp.html
It's a myth. Don't do it.
Dirk Benedict
Gold Member
I suddenly have the urge to iron two butterflied chicken breasts. But first, I need to check the meat in the dryer.
Holy shit. Pretty damning.
Morrigan Stark
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.... What
This is the kind of absurd anti-intellectualism that gets Trump elected. "Screw your "evidence" and "experts", I go with my feelings!"
gee wiz. anyway, there's a reason they always illustrate a raw chicken underneath a running faucet. the same reason why I wash my chicken in a bowl or ziplock bag full of water and vinegar. It makes it easier for me to handle and it does not follow the examples I've seen from every source saying not to wash because water droplets can fly blah blah blah. I don't have to worry about that. But yeah invoke Jesus, call me a climate change denier and an anti-vaccine whatever because you disagree and I won't change.
especially when there's bone grit and black bits on the bottom of a steak, yeah its getting doused.
edit: and Trump! lol, its madmen all the way down
totally needs the PSA tag. Holy Effing Gee GAF do not wash that meat.
NoblesseOblige
Banned
I love how he left out scientific/medical evidence and pretends this is just a matter of opinion.
Clockwork
Member
Huh? I have never seen this. I have seen the wash your hands illustration with a warning to wash your hands and surfaces that come in contact with raw poultry and using things like a separate cutting board.
But an illustration showing you should wash your chicken? Uhh...no.
EDIT: Did you think this was a chicken?
Ampersands
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Why would you ever add another step to cooking meat?
How about this hypothesis: People like you and me might have just become too reliant on referring to experts' arguments for justifying politics that in quite some cases clearly have not benefitted a considerable portion of the public. This created a blind spot where it became all too easy for many of us to dismiss dissenting opinion statements just because they were not backed by the (suddenly almost exclusive gold standard) position of a broadly accepted pundit. Instead, we should have engaged in a genuine discussion on a level playing field where people respect their opposites' background.
And yes, that especially holds true when the other side is dealing cheap low blows or using the populist card. If your whole argument solely relies on citing a credible source, the opponent can simply call your source false. In that case, your only fallback can be a stringent and coherent line of arguments that convinces a majority of people.
Less abstract: Hillary didn't convincingly argue why the man in the street would be better off by voting for her. Donald did, in his very own (disgusting) way. The main attack against Trump was to ridicule him (and by extension his supporters), while the he and his supporters attacked the credibility (and in some cases presumption) of the elites. So the democrat side was making sure to alienate a sizeable group of people that were still indecisive (while circle jerking sharing the latest follies Trump put out in public), while the Trump side reinforced the whole group that was critical about Hillary (many of whom still not necessarily liking Trump). Sounds like a recipe for the outcome we have to me, regardless of the likely Russian fuckery with the system.
PS: Do not throw the baby out with the bathwater. Being critical (in any way) about the mainstream doctrine does not automatically mean that you are anti-intellectual (or postfactual or whatever). It can be very dangerous to think like that, as the past should have shown us.
I hate it when people put words into other people's mouth. Nobody said anything about it just being a matter of opinion.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
Well, what was the food? Was it something that could have been improperly prepared?
freenudemacusers
Member
depends; if i'm buying local free range chicken for example, I don't wash anything, but if I'm buying some chicken from a mystery source, yeah, because the skins are loaded with pesticides/hormones.
Lol yes they spray chickens with pesticides and hormones after they pluck them
You need to cook it right away once it hits Room Temp, this much is true. You cannot refreeze or put it back in the refrigerator. However trying to cook a cold steak is just asking for the temps to be all messed up.
Letting meat get Room Temp immediately before you cook it is standard operating procedure in any restaurant and in most homes.
Nah. My family has always cooked it straight from the fridge and it's always beautiful.
You want it in the danger zone for as little time as possible.
StopMakingSense
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Morrigan Stark
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In my opinion, which is as valid as empirical scientific data, it's okay to wash poultry. Bacterias can be ignored if you pray real hard they won't affect you, you know. Don't judge me, it's my feeling and I'm sticking to it. What do "experts" know anyway?
:lol
You can't see germs, how is it possible that could they exist?
Sounds like a liberal hoax to me.
Kitsunebaby
Member
No. Unless I'm making stock. But that's only after blanching it. So no.
Nice, four sentences and every one of them filled to the brim with purely made up bullshit no one has ever said in this thread.
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never wash meat, package- pat dry occasionally for a whole chicken or turkey- to oven/grill/smoker...eat.
now for steak i do a nice light coating with kosher salt and let it absorb for ~10 minutes, but no longer than that. then about 4 minutes a side or until internal temp hits 135.
now for steak i do a nice light coating with kosher salt and let it absorb for ~10 minutes, but no longer than that. then about 4 minutes a side or until internal temp hits 135.
You must have a pretty sloppy butcher if there's blood on your steaks.
20-30 minutes is absolutely fine. My steaks are always amazing and I've never been sick from them...Do you really think any top chef would recommend doing it if it was going to possibly cause someone to become ill?
I never put my steaks in the freezer...
Nah, I've been cooking steaks long enough to know it makes a difference and isn't "unsafe". Pretty much every top chef does the same thing. Who should we believe? Some of the top chefs in the world, or the schmucks from amazingribs.com?
Gordon Ramsay - How to cook the perfect steak
Heston Blumenthal - How to cook the perfect steak
Anthony Bourdain - How to cook the perfect steak
Jamie Oliver - How to cook the perfect steak
...
Peace out, and enjoy your steaks however you prepare and cook them.
I was kinda joking, they're never bloody except for when he goes out the back and cuts me up some thick steaks on the spot, then they tend to 'bleed' a bit.
If there is shit on the meat, even if you kill all the bacteria, you are still eating shit.
I wash my meat when I cook btw, if you can't tell.
Zoe
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- Not room temperature.
- Not room temperature.
- Doesn't say amount of time.
- One hour doesn't get you to room temperature.
It takes several hours to come to room temperature, much more than what all these chefs are claiming--that's what that page is saying.
lol where are you buying meat with shit on it? don't do that, that's a bad place to shop
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