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GAF-Hop 2011+ |OT3| Look out for OT4 before Detox (dat sh!t cray)
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PhoenixDark
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I hate on Kanye all the time, but it's very hard to deny he changed hip hop. Anyone who remembers that period of time before College Dropout arrived can attest to that. Outside of Eminem, no one in mainstream hip hop was doing emotional, conscious stuff on a grand scale. Sure DMX dabbled in it, but he was a street rapper first and foremost. Tupac had been dead and gone for years, and let's not forget that his singles were quite party/gangsta heavy when he was a live - not conscious.
Kanye bridged mainstream with the backpack scene in a way that hadn't been done in some time. Let's not forget Common, Mos Def, and Talib Kweli were on that album alongside the more mainstream features (Jay-Z, Luda, Freeway). Kanye also provided many of them with their own beats that led to mainstream appeal (Get By, Common's Be album). Kanye is not the first self conscious rapper, but to deny his impact would be to deny reality. He's the reason a major label took a chance on Lupe and other "soft" guys
Kanye almost single handidly improved hip hop live shows with his second album. Outside of The Roots, who was doing live instrumentation shows? Most people were still rapping over their vocals. And while it's true many rappers STILL do that shit, Kanye deserves props for setting that bar.
And then with the third album Kanye basically ushered in the electronic pop rap we see to this day. Once again he wasn't the first to do this, but he released the album that MATTERED. I didn't like Graduation, but it's impact was huge. And then with the 808 album he once again changed mainstream hip hop: how many vulnerable rappers did you hear trying to sing before that pos?
We can say Tribe, De La, etc did things first, but they never reached the mainstream appeal or impact as Kanye. In fact when they were dropping classic albums, hip hop was being dominated by gangsta rap and latter Diddy shit.
Kanye bridged mainstream with the backpack scene in a way that hadn't been done in some time. Let's not forget Common, Mos Def, and Talib Kweli were on that album alongside the more mainstream features (Jay-Z, Luda, Freeway). Kanye also provided many of them with their own beats that led to mainstream appeal (Get By, Common's Be album). Kanye is not the first self conscious rapper, but to deny his impact would be to deny reality. He's the reason a major label took a chance on Lupe and other "soft" guys
Kanye almost single handidly improved hip hop live shows with his second album. Outside of The Roots, who was doing live instrumentation shows? Most people were still rapping over their vocals. And while it's true many rappers STILL do that shit, Kanye deserves props for setting that bar.
And then with the third album Kanye basically ushered in the electronic pop rap we see to this day. Once again he wasn't the first to do this, but he released the album that MATTERED. I didn't like Graduation, but it's impact was huge. And then with the 808 album he once again changed mainstream hip hop: how many vulnerable rappers did you hear trying to sing before that pos?
We can say Tribe, De La, etc did things first, but they never reached the mainstream appeal or impact as Kanye. In fact when they were dropping classic albums, hip hop was being dominated by gangsta rap and latter Diddy shit.
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
1) Refuse to Lose -Brotha Lynch Hung
2) Datz what I said - Brotha Lynch Hung
3) Murder Man - CBo
4) Murder That he Ritt - Cbo
5) N***az get the Wig - B Legit Ft Cbo and Celly Cell
6) It's All Good - Mac Mall
7) Rear View Mirror - E40
8) HI Double L - E40 Ft B-Legit and Celly Cell
9) Sic Wit Tis - Mac Mall
10) Break Bread - CBo ft Master P
11) Get Stupid - Mac Dre
12) (forgot the track name will list when I get home)
13) Beastin' - E40
14) You're a Jerk - New Boyz
15) Vans - The Pack (Based God)
16) Cat Daddy - The Rej3ctz
17) Tell me when to Go - E40
18) I feed my bitch - Mac Dre
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/25021028/wcw7.mp3
Next week... Compton's in the house....
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
PhoenixDark said:
wait what? Now you are re-writing history.. outside of Run DMC and LL Cool J and Beastie Boys NO ONE had more impact on mainstream rap than Tribe..
Also why is "Diddy shit" when he laid the ground work for Ye?
PhoenixDark
Banned
Blackace said:
I said mainstream appeal; I'm not saying Kanye is more influential than anyone. I'm saying Kanye has had enormous impact on current hip hop, and is the driving reason behind many current trends.
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
illadelph said:
pick from here
1989 Big Tyme (with the Boyz)
1991 Peaceful Journey (with the Boyz)
1993 Blue Funk (with the Boyz)
1994 Nuttin' But Love (with the Boyz)
1997 Waterbed Hev
For me it's Nuttin but love and Peaceful Jouney
Mania didn't stick with me. Anti-Freeze is like the hardest shit ever and boys can spit but the rest of the tape is a mush in my memory.overcast said:
Fuck I forget the single for The Div but I remembe seeing some big names on the album like the Roots. I didn't know they were poppin like that /ignoranceaboutwestcoast
PhoenixDark
Banned
Blackace said:
So you're telling me current trends in hip hop like rappers singing/autotune, heavy emphasis on Euro pop/techno samples, pop rap etc are not the finger prints of Kanye? I'm not arguing Kanye had more impact on hip hop in general than Tribe, that would be ridiculous. But every major rapper today - Drake, Cudi, Minaj, Cole, Wale, etc etc - was listening to Kanye West in high school, not Tribe.
I liked it so much that I put it in front of Return of 4Eva, though I don't know if I'd stick with that now.
Blackace
if you see me in a fight with a bear, don't help me fool, help the bear!
PhoenixDark said:
singing/autotune can only go to one artist and his name starts with a T and ends with Pain.. saying otherwise is being silly...
Euro pop stuff I like to say Timbo was bit more a major influence but can't deny Ye's role in it
and you want to play the rappers were listening to Ye card.. then who was West listening to in high school?
Net_Wrecker
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ChldRebelSoldr said:
That he is.
As are these guys whose stuff I've had on repeat for 2 straight days
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZLFhlSJH0E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixCYc1znWuE&
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyGWrvFiFvE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_OE__vkLEQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kHN8LzYfXmg
It's like Mobb Deep and MF Doom had a baby.
Pinko Marx
Banned
Surprised by how good Camp is. CG has finally moved past the imitate Wayne stage and has become a nerdcore amalgamation of Kanye, Drake, and some of his own style.
Dude drops some CORNY ass lines sometimes, but the production is nice and his shit is mad relatable.
Much better than Take Care.
Dude drops some CORNY ass lines sometimes, but the production is nice and his shit is mad relatable.
Much better than Take Care.
IrishNinja
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EschatonDX said:
Dark Souls >, all day! much love, just not an Oblivion fan, From's got that market on lock for me. i like my fantasy shit grimy as fuck like Berserk with Redman playing.
speaking of - who're ya'lls favorite MCs that you might not put on a top 5 G.O.A.T. list but just love hearing them? like, DOOM isn't on most lists but there's few tracks ive heard i didn't dig. cause Reggie Noble almost never gets named, but fuck i love when his shit comes on - gym, running, hanging, working, whenever. so much hype.
I'm in ya Harlem Nights with Dominique Peru/
Drunk as hell, gettin head at the comedy review/
I, stay around the corner from Park Hill/I ain't hard to find, but I'm sure hard to kill
joelseph said:I posted this way back and I will keep posting it because it's one of the best tapes of the year. That Flying Lotus...
+1 to both of these.
EschatonDX said:
point taken. i still fucks with OF, though - if i got caught up on rapper's images and shit, id have a hard time enjoying most acts
he says ironically while shitting on ross
PS NEW WCW, WOOP WOOP
gotta update the OP with it!
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