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[HiResDes]

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Y you trollin'

 

[dope4goldrope]

Just Blaze is god. That is all.

 

[Esch]

Just Blaze is god. That is all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-DSp3rTVTo

mediocre verses and raps here but this is a top 5 just blaze junt

I dont think the cam'ron picture proves at any rate that he's gay. Plus it doesn't really matter anyway

 

[Lionheart1337]

Just Blaze is god. That is all.

Top 5

 

[dope4goldrope]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-DSp3rTVTo

mediocre verses and raps here but this is a top 5 just blaze junt

Man... I don't know if this is in my top 5. My top 5 is probably as follows:

Breathe
PSA
Come On Baby(IMO, album version's mix is much better, but it's not on YouTube)
Pump It Up
What We Do

 

[Lionheart1337]

Man... I don't know if this is in my top 5. My top 5 is probably as follows:

Breathe
PSA
Come On Baby(IMO, album version's mix is much better, but it's not on YouTube)
Pump It Up
What We Do

Sure is oldhead in here.....

Where the heck is Exhibit A?

 

[HiResDes]

Take off Breathe, that shit is seriously corny as fuck

 

[kamspy]

You don't know

 

[dope4goldrope]

Sure is oldhead in here.....

Where the heck is Exhibit A?

Strictly beats... maybe I'll come back with my top 5 tracks he was behind.

Take off Breathe, that shit is seriously corny as fuck

I don't like the song that much, but has to be one of his top 5 beats.

That beat is incredible though, which is only what I was really judging here. Too bad he gave it to Fab. :-/

 

[HiResDes]

Yes and Diamonds and Macs is indeed fire, so is Exhibit A...Those are probably all in my top five. PSA would probably take my top spot

 

[Lionheart1337]

I honestly don't know how a Fab can stay relevant but a Joe Budden can't.

is it the singles?

 

[HiResDes]

I honestly don't know how a Fab can stay relevant but a Joe Budden can't.

is it the singles?

You need that Soul Tape in your life

 

[siddx]

I honestly don't know how a Fab can stay relevant but a Joe Budden can't.

is it the singles?

Fab figured out early on how to make songs that will get radio play and club play. Budden is too busy bitching at his ex to learn how to get some mainstream appeal.

 

[dope4goldrope]

I honestly don't know how a Fab can stay relevant but a Joe Budden can't.

is it the singles?

I think a big part of it is Joe is really cheap. He'll spend $10,000 making an album and pocket the rest of his advance, recording in shitty studios, constantly fucking with soundclick beat makers for freebies, etc. For a while he didn't really invest in the overall product and it really showed. Play a MM1 - Escape Route era song and then play one from his MM4-era days. That said, he still two-tracked a few songs there and almost got strangled by Just Blaze for rapping over an unfinished beat of his and not having it mixed properly.


tl;dr most people can't look past music with shitty sound quality

 

[Net_Wrecker]

I honestly don't know how a Fab can stay relevant but a Joe Budden can't.

is it the singles?

Budden can't make another Pump It Up. Every "mainstreamish" sounding record he's made since then he was either forced to make by the label (and wasn't good), or was made by choice and just wasn't good.

I think he's pretty much stopped trying since then. Not like he's desperate for money so why bother.

 

[kamspy]

I honestly don't know how a Fab can stay relevant but a Joe Budden can't.

is it the singles?

Fab didn't turn into a mad rapper. Well, Budden was mad on his debut, so I dunno. Guess he was doomed from the start. Joey's also a fiend.

 

[Lionheart1337]

I hear you guys, it's a shame I think dude really could have been great. He supposedly used some advance money from Amalgam to put a down payment on a car for Tahiry. Bargain bin beats all day I guess.

 

[Net_Wrecker]

I hear you guys, it's a shame I think dude really could have been great. He supposedly used some advance money from Amalgam to put a down payment on a car for Tahiry. Bargain bin beats all day I guess.

I don't know where this "bargain bun beats" thing comes from though, especially recently. J Cardim has given him some GREAT beats IMO. Whether they were mixed down properly or not is another thing, but they were good beats.

 

[HiResDes]

Cardim's beats all sound like new wave versions of Just Blaze b-sides.

 

[Net_Wrecker]

Cardim's beats all sound like new wave versions of Just Blaze b-sides.

Dat's not cool.

I like em, w/e.

 

[HiResDes]

Don't mind me, I've only been listening to dark shit like exclusively.

 

[K.Jack]

He supposedly used some advance money from Amalgam to put a down payment on a car for Tahiry.

That is LOSING, to the max.

 

[Lionheart1337]

I don't know where this "bargain bun beats" thing comes from though, especially recently. J Cardim has given him some GREAT beats IMO. Whether they were mixed down properly or not is another thing, but they were good beats.

Cardim has given him some of his best stuff admittedly but I feel like the bulk of it is meh.

 

[dope4goldrope]

I don't know where this "bargain bun beats" thing comes from though, especially recently. J Cardim has given him some GREAT beats IMO. Whether they were mixed down properly or not is another thing, but they were good beats.

Those are pretty recent, though. And to my knowledge he's gotten the bulk of them for free. Sort've related, but my favorite J. Cardim and Budden collaboration is probably Downfall.



btw: Snapple fact. It cost Joe Budden $20k to make Mood Muzik 3. $10k was for Fabolous's guest verse on Family Reunion.

 

[PhoenixDark]

I will never understand this picture. Who the hell is that.

She's some fashion designer

 

[Complex Shadow]

Don't mind me, I've only been listening to dark shit like exclusively.

i go through that phase every now and then. times i would only listen to dark shit.

 

[kamspy]

That is LOSING, to the max.

Joey's Theme

 

[Net_Wrecker]

Joey's Theme

Alright man, you done went too far.

No one deserves that.

 

[Lionheart1337]

Those are pretty recent, though. And to my knowledge he's gotten the bulk of them for free. Sort've related, but my favorite J. Cardim and Budden collaboration is probably Downfall.



btw: Snapple fact. It cost Joe Budden $20k to make Mood Muzik 3. $10k was for Fabolous's guest verse on Family Reunion.

Amalgam paid game 90k for the Game verse on Escape Route I think it was?

WTF.

 

[dope4goldrope]

Amalgam paid game 90k for the Game verse on Escape Route I think it was?

WTF.

Padded Room, but yeah. Hahahahahahhahaha. Shit got so bad with Amalgam that Just Blaze was offering them free beats if they let Joe appear on Recovery. (Session One was going to make the retail album but was moved to iTunes bonus when Amalgam wouldn't clear Joe)



Also, don't know if anyone heard this indie rap album (probably have, few years old now) but I thought it was VERY impressive, especially considering that no samples were used. Somobe - The Great Communication.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfcz4l-KtkA

 

[HiResDes]

I still can't believe how hard Lil B went in on Joe Budden, like that's probably the most focused he's ever lol

 

[Net_Wrecker]

Padded Room, but yeah. Hahahahahahhahaha. Shit got so bad with Amalgam that Just Blaze was offering them free beats if they let Joe appear on Recovery. (Session One was going to make the retail album but was moved to iTunes bonus when Amalgam wouldn't clear Joe)

And Just Blaze trolled people by playing like 3 seconds of Budden's verse on Session One right after that whole ordeal too. :lol

 

[Tokubetsu]

Budden needs to just stop trying to wife up these video hoes. You wouldn't help put a down payment on a car for a stripper would you?

You would have think he woulda learned the first time with that Spanish one from like 03. The one that had a video of her eating out some other chick in Uncle Luke's Spring Break 99 video...

 

[kamspy]

Alright man, you done went too far.

No one deserves that.

 

[DominoKid]

Just Blaze is god. That is all.

Top 1

 

[SoulPlaya]

I hear you guys, it's a shame I think dude really could have been great. He supposedly used some advance money from Amalgam to put a down payment on a car for Tahiry. Bargain bin beats all day I guess.

Could have been great? WTF? Joe Budden is incredible, and I'd rather hear more of his "emo" rap than half the generic garbage out there today.

The Mood Muzik series are classics, and he essentially pioneered his lyrical subjects in contemporary hip-hop, along with utilizing the internet to get awareness.

The reason why his mainstream career fell apart was due to Def Jam refusing to do anything with him for years.

 

[HiResDes]

Could have been great? WTF? Joe Budden is incredible, and I'd rather hear more of his "emo" rap than half the generic garbage out there today.

The Mood Muzik series are classics, and he essentially pioneered his lyrical subjects in contemporary hip-hop, along with utilizing the internet to get awareness.

The reason why his mainstream career fell apart was due to Def Jam refusing to do anything with him for years.

Mood Music 4 is really good, 2 is good, I don't really care about the rest...And it's hard to gauge how a good a guy is when he's constantly rapping over beats that sound like unaltered Rocky themes with added drums.

 

[Net_Wrecker]

Could have been great? WTF? Joe Budden is incredible, and I'd rather hear more of his "emo" rap than half the generic garbage out there today.

The Mood Muzik series are classics, and he essentially pioneered his lyrical subjects in contemporary hip-hop, along with utilizing the internet to get awareness.

The reason why his mainstream career fell apart was due to Def Jam refusing to do anything with him for years.

Aye, forreal he doesn't get enough credit for the bold. he was staying afloat in 2004 through his website and AllHipHop's forum before a lot of these rapper caught on. There are interviews from back then where he pretty much called exactly how the internet was going to give exposure to people who wouldn't normally get any on the radio.

 

[Blackace]

Top 1

He is almost Swizz Beatz good(tm)

 

[SoulPlaya]

Mood Music 4 is really, 2 is good, I don't really care about the rest...And it's hard to gauge how a good a guy is when he's constantly rapping over beats that sound like unaltered Rocky themes with added drums.

I'll be honest, and it's probably obvious from my earlier posts in this thread. I don't care about beats, relative to lyrics. If being underground (even though he's signed to Shady, as a part of Slaughterhouse) means he gets to rap about whatever he wants, even if it's over garbage beats, then I'd rather he stay independent.

 

[Lionheart1337]

Mood Music 4 is really, 2 is good, I don't really care about the rest...And it's hard to gauge how a good a guy is when he's constantly rapping over beats that sound like unaltered Rocky themes with added drums.

This. Also, I`m not saying Joey isn't great. He's not really living up to his full potential as far as production and his songs get redundant. I think he could gotten legendary acclaim.

Rocky themes lol

 

[HiResDes]

The beats are at least a third of the equation, and don't feed into the hype that great beats cost a lot of money to make or receive...They don't

 

[Net_Wrecker]

Let's just say it straight up, Budden doesn't have a great ear for beats. Every now and then he gets a gem, a couple good ones, but the majority of em are usually average/boring or pretty meh. And that's coming from a longtime fan.

 

[SoulPlaya]

This. Also, I`m not saying Joey isn't great. He's not really living up to his full potential as far as production and his songs get redundant. I think he could gotten legendary acclaim.

Rocky themes lol

I think he enjoys the freedom of being away from a major label solo wise. His time being mistreated at Def Jam has probably scarred him.

The guy lives in a big house (it's a got a damn elevator in it), and he gets plenty of money from shows (which do sell outs in smaller venues), and he makes profits off his albums because of the cheap beats. He knows that no matter what beat he has on it, his shit isn't going to sell as long as he raps about what he raps about. Plenty of guys get incredible beats, pay a lot for them, and don't sell shit.

 

[Blackace]

Let's just say it straight up, Budden doesn't have a great ear for beats. Every now and then he gets a gem, a couple good ones, but the majority of em are usually average/boring or pretty meh. And that's coming from a longtime fan.

a lot of east coast rappers suffer from this.. Nas comes to mind...

 

[HiResDes]

Economically it makes sense, artistically not so much...It would be like taking the time to craft great poetry, and then writing it in Comic Sans.

 

[SoulPlaya]

I think his songs on Halfway House had good beats, since leaving Def Jam.

"Soul"-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRCdZbEQ604&feature=related

"Check Me Out"-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6Sq7OCqLRo&feature=related

"Sidetracked"-http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WcEvrgkCxQ&feature=related

"Under The Sun"http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfV-aHYsdPw&feature=related

Give these songs a listen, if you haven't already.

 

[SoulPlaya]

Economically it makes sense, artistically not so much...It would be like taking the time to craft great poetry, and then writing it in Comic Sans.

Artistically, it makes perfect sense, if it means that he would have sacrifice some of his artistic freedom to afford more expensive beats.

 

[Esch]

Yeah, i just spun Goblin and I'm with Phoenix and siddx on this one. It's average to me- the whole shock value element of it is kinda weak. Look at who these kids are. They're not gangbangers or particularly poor. Their shock value is all bark and no bite. They're a couple of kids who can turn a phrase pretty well, and are solid producers given their experience. But as of right now this odd future shit is the marilyn manson of hip hop to me. Don't get it. Or why people dig it.

 

[Detox]

a lot of east coast rappers suffer from this.. Nas comes to mind...

Nas is the worst. Premier said NY state of mind when Nas actually rhymed over it was nothing like the finished product. Basically Nas spat all his bars on mostly ok - good beats. The competition between all the legendary producers on illmatic made them work more on their beats after everything had been recorded to turn them into classic beats. I have to say guys like Preem and other producers do watch Nas's back and whenever he needs a beat they always bring the best with them. I just wish someone like Large Professor would exec prod all of Nas's albums to keep the production tight.