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GAF-Hop |OT4| At that Das EFX concert, I riggity realized that I liggity love you

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kamspy said:
Came here to post this after reading the reaction to the Rick Ross interview.

Ricky's just a fan. No one is made as Nas for being a project window rapper. His new single is called The Don. Does anyone think Nas is or even more laughably ever was, a Don?
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He's The Don of my heart. It's still real to me dammit
 
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kamspy said:
I've actually heard that Jay, Dame and Kareem were in it pretty deep before Reasonable Doubt.
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I don't think Jay was in it as much as he claims maybe some small time shit. I just remember a post on djpremierblog.com where one of the guys at D&D recalls them barely paying their studio time with one dollar bills and coins, literally counting it out. He also mentioned another guy on the label who was supposed to drop right after Jay but when he asked to get paid they turned their pockets out and looked at him like "paid with what?"

Regardless Jay has blown it out of proportion he says he never stopped until the rap game made more money than the crack game. Which makes no sense as they would have had no problem paying for studio time.
 
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New mixtape from I-20 which is the sequel to Celebrity Rehab.

I-20 - Celebrity Rehab

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Also Raekwon has dropped a video with LEP Bogus Boys.

Raekwon ft. LEP Bogus Boys - This Shit Hard
 
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Detox said:
I don't think Jay was in it as much as he claims maybe some small time shit. I just remember a post on djpremierblog.com where one of the guys at D&D recalls them barely paying their studio time with one dollar bills and coins, literally counting it out. He also mentioned another guy on the label who was supposed to drop right after Jay but when he asked to get paid they turned their pockets out and looked at him like "paid with what?"

Regardless Jay has blown it out of proportion he says he never stopped until the rap game made more money than the crack game. Which makes no sense as they would have had no problem paying for studio time.
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Pretty sure Kareem just got locked up for a massive drug charge. Who knows though. I'd expect hate from a DJ Preem site. Even though they hooked up several times, I don't think Jay and Preem every really got along. Two big ego's rarely do.
 
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The Secret Meeting That Changed Rap Music And Destroyed A Generation…

..was the title to the email I just received from someone who can only be identified as John Smith or “industryconfessions”. In this lengthy email was a “confession” from a former “decision maker” within the music industry during the 1990′s. In this email they went on to tell a story about a certain meeting that happened back in 1991 that changed the way Rap music was marketed and why it was being marketed and who benefited from such practices. I’m not sure if this story has any truth to it or if it’s some hoax to get an asshole like me to post it on his website but I have heard this theory before and not just with Rap music. So today I will entertain “Mr. John Smith” and share this story with my fellow Councilmen. Click here for

Hello,

After more than 20 years, I’ve finally decided to tell the world what I witnessed in 1991, which I believe was one of the biggest turning point in popular music, and ultimately American society. I have struggled for a long time weighing the pros and cons of making this story public as I was reluctant to implicate the individuals who were present that day. So I’ve simply decided to leave out names and all the details that may risk my personal well being and that of those who were, like me, dragged into something they weren’t ready for.

Between the late 80′s and early 90’s, I was what you may call a “decision maker” with one of the more established company in the music industry. I came from Europe in the early 80’s and quickly established myself in the business. The industry was different back then. Since technology and media weren’t accessible to people like they are today, the industry had more control over the public and had the means to influence them anyway it wanted. This may explain why in early 1991, I was invited to attend a closed door meeting with a small group of music business insiders to discuss rap music’s new direction. Little did I know that we would be asked to participate in one of the most unethical and destructive business practice I’ve ever seen.

The meeting was held at a private residence on the outskirts of Los Angeles. I remember about 25 to 30 people being there, most of them familiar faces. Speaking to those I knew, we joked about the theme of the meeting as many of us did not care for rap music and failed to see the purpose of being invited to a private gathering to discuss its future. Among the attendees was a small group of unfamiliar faces who stayed to themselves and made no attempt to socialize beyond their circle. Based on their behavior and formal appearances, they didn’t seem to be in our industry. Our casual chatter was interrupted when we were asked to sign a confidentiality agreement preventing us from publicly discussing the information presented during the meeting. Needless to say, this intrigued and in some cases disturbed many of us. The agreement was only a page long but very clear on the matter and consequences which stated that violating the terms would result in job termination. We asked several people what this meeting was about and the reason for such secrecy but couldn’t find anyone who had answers for us. A few people refused to sign and walked out. No one stopped them. I was tempted to follow but curiosity got the best of me. A man who was part of the “unfamiliar” group collected the agreements from us.

Quickly after the meeting began, one of my industry colleagues (who shall remain nameless like everyone else) thanked us for attending. He then gave the floor to a man who only introduced himself by first name and gave no further details about his personal background. I think he was the owner of the residence but it was never confirmed. He briefly praised all of us for the success we had achieved in our industry and congratulated us for being selected as part of this small group of “decision makers”. At this point I begin to feel slightly uncomfortable at the strangeness of this gathering. The subject quickly changed as the speaker went on to tell us that the respective companies we represented had invested in a very profitable industry which could become even more rewarding with our active involvement. He explained that the companies we work for had invested millions into the building of privately owned prisons and that our positions of influence in the music industry would actually impact the profitability of these investments. I remember many of us in the group immediately looking at each other in confusion. At the time, I didn’t know what a private prison was but I wasn’t the only one. Sure enough, someone asked what these prisons were and what any of this had to do with us. We were told that these prisons were built by privately owned companies who received funding from the government based on the number of inmates. The more inmates, the more money the government would pay these prisons. It was also made clear to us that since these prisons are privately owned, as they become publicly traded, we’d be able to buy shares. Most of us were taken back by this. Again, a couple of people asked what this had to do with us. At this point, my industry colleague who had first opened the meeting took the floor again and answered our questions. He told us that since our employers had become silent investors in this prison business, it was now in their interest to make sure that these prisons remained filled. Our job would be to help make this happen by marketing music which promotes criminal behavior, rap being the music of choice. He assured us that this would be a great situation for us because rap music was becoming an increasingly profitable market for our companies, and as employee, we’d also be able to buy personal stocks in these prisons. Immediately, silence came over the room. You could have heard a pin drop. I remember looking around to make sure I wasn’t dreaming and saw half of the people with dropped jaws. My daze was interrupted when someone shouted, “Is this a f****** joke?” At this point things became chaotic. Two of the men who were part of the “unfamiliar” group grabbed the man who shouted out and attempted to remove him from the house. A few of us, myself included, tried to intervene. One of them pulled out a gun and we all backed off. They separated us from the crowd and all four of us were escorted outside. My industry colleague who had opened the meeting earlier hurried out to meet us and reminded us that we had signed agreement and would suffer the consequences of speaking about this publicly or even with those who attended the meeting. I asked him why he was involved with something this corrupt and he replied that it was bigger than the music business and nothing we’d want to challenge without risking consequences. We all protested and as he walked back into the house I remember word for word the last thing he said, “It’s out of my hands now. Remember you signed an agreement.” He then closed the door behind him. The men rushed us to our cars and actually watched until we drove off.

A million things were going through my mind as I drove away and I eventually decided to pull over and park on a side street in order to collect my thoughts. I replayed everything in my mind repeatedly and it all seemed very surreal to me. I was angry with myself for not having taken a more active role in questioning what had been presented to us. I’d like to believe the shock of it all is what suspended my better nature. After what seemed like an eternity, I was able to calm myself enough to make it home. I didn’t talk or call anyone that night. The next day back at the office, I was visibly out of it but blamed it on being under the weather. No one else in my department had been invited to the meeting and I felt a sense of guilt for not being able to share what I had witnessed. I thought about contacting the 3 others who wear kicked out of the house but I didn’t remember their names and thought that tracking them down would probably bring unwanted attention. I considered speaking out publicly at the risk of losing my job but I realized I’d probably be jeopardizing more than my job and I wasn’t willing to risk anything happening to my family. I thought about those men with guns and wondered who they were? I had been told that this was bigger than the music business and all I could do was let my imagination run free. There were no answers and no one to talk to. I tried to do a little bit of research on private prisons but didn’t uncover anything about the music business’ involvement. However, the information I did find confirmed how dangerous this prison business really was. Days turned into weeks and weeks into months. Eventually, it was as if the meeting had never taken place. It all seemed surreal. I became more reclusive and stopped going to any industry events unless professionally obligated to do so. On two occasions, I found myself attending the same function as my former colleague. Both times, our eyes met but nothing more was exchanged.

As the months passed, rap music had definitely changed direction. I was never a fan of it but even I could tell the difference. Rap acts that talked about politics or harmless fun were quickly fading away as gangster rap started dominating the airwaves. Only a few months had passed since the meeting but I suspect that the ideas presented that day had been successfully implemented. It was as if the order has been given to all major label executives. The music was climbing the charts and most companies when more than happy to capitalize on it. Each one was churning out their very own gangster rap acts on an assembly line. Everyone bought into it, consumers included. Violence and drug use became a central theme in most rap music. I spoke to a few of my peers in the industry to get their opinions on the new trend but was told repeatedly that it was all about supply and demand. Sadly many of them even expressed that the music reinforced their prejudice of minorities.

I officially quit the music business in 1993 but my heart had already left months before. I broke ties with the majority of my peers and removed myself from this thing I had once loved. I took some time off, returned to Europe for a few years, settled out of state, and lived a “quiet” life away from the world of entertainment. As the years passed, I managed to keep my secret, fearful of sharing it with the wrong person but also a little ashamed of not having had the balls to blow the whistle. But as rap got worse, my guilt grew. Fortunately, in the late 90’s, having the internet as a resource which wasn’t at my disposal in the early days made it easier for me to investigate what is now labeled the prison industrial complex. Now that I have a greater understanding of how private prisons operate, things make much more sense than they ever have. I see how the criminalization of rap music played a big part in promoting racial stereotypes and misguided so many impressionable young minds into adopting these glorified criminal behaviors which often lead to incarceration. Twenty years of guilt is a heavy load to carry but the least I can do now is to share my story, hoping that fans of rap music realize how they’ve been used for the past 2 decades. Although I plan on remaining anonymous for obvious reasons, my goal now is to get this information out to as many people as possible. Please help me spread the word. Hopefully, others who attended the meeting back in 1991 will be inspired by this and tell their own stories. Most importantly, if only one life has been touched by my story, I pray it makes the weight of my guilt a little more tolerable.

Thank you.
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Do you believe it?
 
Tokubetsu

Tokubetsu

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Idk about all that but Too Short and a few rappers have gone on record before and said that in the early 90s they were told to stay away from more positive messages in their music.
 
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dskillzhtown

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OG Kush said:
Yo are you telling me Rick Ross didn't know there happened to be on of the most well know drug dealers in the US called Rick Ross aswell? pshh get that shit out of here. Dr dre not being a doctor and all the other examples have nothing to do with this. The fact is fat ross stole a person's identity, name and look.
Fair enough peopel chat a lot of a shit in hip hop, but hip hop comapred to all other genres is the realist of them all. Ross took his fakeness to a whole nother level and some people in this thread still suck his balls.
anyways whatever, im tired of this fat fuck. hes got skills as an MC but i aint go no respect for him.
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Really? I hope your keyboard was dripping with sarcasm with that post. This is all entertainment. The rappers that don't get that end up dead or in jail.

Even rappers like Jeezy who legit was around Big Meech and all that back in the day get the difference. It's a fantasy world.
 
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Esch

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Complex Shadow said:
I'll believe almost anything. But I can't believe this shit. It's almost as bad as when people say they got abducted and aliens probed them.
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its less believable. I can fucks with the idea that aliens exist and they might wanna do research on us. that is pure crack smoking fuckery.
 
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Complex Shadow

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njean777 said:
IDK Rap did drastically change in the early 90's, although he could have wrote this just as a coincidence.
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oh common you can say that about any gen. how the ef is lmfao so famous, oh wait it must be because of their deep lyrics.

EschatonDX said:
its less believable. I can fucks with the idea that aliens exist and they might wanna do research on us. that is pure crack smoking fuckery.
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anal rape != research
cutting people open finding out how they work and ditching the body somewhere would make sense. probing is just such a big why. but yea i am starting to go off topic.
 
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tEnp9.jpg

DJ Shadow will soon offer fans a peek inside his formative years, compiling a collection of previously unreleased instrumental tracks created from 1992 to 1996. Total Breakdown: Hidden Transmissions From the MPC Era, 1992-1996 focuses on his early experimentation on the Akai MPC. It includes tracks from a scrapped 1994 EP he planned with the Gift of Gab, like the demo that eventually became The Private Press single "Six Days".

There's no release date scheduled yet, but the project will eventually be available on CD, double-vinyl and digitally via DJShadow.com with bonus tracks. After the tracklist, listen to a 1996 cut from the collection "Affectations", in exchange for an email address. Also check out the 1992 track "Dreams of a Piece" via LRG.

Total Breakdown: Hidden Transmissions From the MPC Era, 1992-1996
01 Intropy (Original Version)
02 Vee in Detroit
03 Dreams of a Piece
04 The Not-So-Quiet Storm
05 Fast Rap Fanfare
06 Intensely Hitting
07 Mystical With Solo
08 Alright
09 Don't Try It
10 From the Old School
11 Freddi's Popcorn
12 Quickstep
13 Movin' On (Gab Demo 1)
14 Falling Up
15 Mellow But Chunky
16 Total Breakdown (Gab Demo 2)
17 Heavy Mood
18 Affectations
19 Perilous Journey (Gab Demo 3)
20 Aye
21 Brittle But Magic
22 Atmospheric Disturbances
23 Swimming Upstream (Gab Demo 4)
24 Up for Grabs
DJShadow.com Bonus Tracks:
25 Give Up the Drums
26 Slow Poke
27 Vortex
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Via. Pitchfork.

MPC era Shadow? Guaranteed to be his best release since Endtroducing.


On the whole prison thing, that part is not really believeable (at least, I'd rather not believe it) but it's common knowledge that radio and label execs made a conscious push towards more violent/sex oriented rap music in the early 90s.
 
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Tokubetsu said:
Surprised you listen, definitely not your speed haha.
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was just a blind dl, which i don't normally do either. maybe i need to step out the box more often har har

and that article was a cool read for some tinfoil hat shit, but other than that i got no comment. without a way to validate any of it it may as well be considered fake
 
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PhoenixDark

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The problem I have with that article is that it's another "blame the white man" game. Hip hop was pure, elves were dancing in the forest, Rosie Perez was a 10/10...then the white man appeared out of no where. He cut off the dreads of strong black men, he gave platinum blonde weaves to beautiful black women, and he made Run DMC release a gangsta album.

...No.

Music is run like a business. Record labels saw the potential for massive sales, especially for gangster rap. They signed artists that fit that mode such as NWA because that's what was selling. Even before NWA you could sense the native tongues type stuff fading. Let's not forget De La Soul were getting clowned for being nerdy by black people. Did labels suggest their artists do gangster shit? Yea, sure. But let's not forget they were also giving out 300k checks to people from the ghetto - of course they were talking about hood shit.

No one was stopping people from buying ATCQ albums.
 
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Tokubetsu

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PhoenixDark said:
The problem I have with that article is that it's another "blame the white man" game. Hip hop was pure, elves were dancing in the forest, Rosie Perez was a 10/10...then the white man appeared out of no where. He cut off the dreads of strong black men, he gave platinum blonde weaves to beautiful black women, and he made Run DMC release a gangsta album.

...No.

Music is run like a business. Record labels saw the potential for massive sales, especially for gangster rap. They signed artists that fit that mode such as NWA because that's what was selling. Even before NWA you could sense the native tongues type stuff fading. Let's not forget De La Soul were getting clowned for being nerdy by black people. Did labels suggest their artists do gangster shit? Yea, sure. But let's not forget they were also giving out 300k checks to people from the ghetto - of course they were talking about hood shit.

No one was stopping people from buying ATCQ albums.
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Exactly, you said it better of course but thats why the push for gangsta shit is known fact. Shit was selling, so of course Labels/Radio wanted more of it.
 
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siddx

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Hip hop needs groups like slaughterhouse, the same way hip hop needs ignorant music, poppy rap, gangster rap, and so on. They may not fit your tastes but they are one of the few rappers still making that kind of hip hop, and so they serve a purpose.
 
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siddx said:
Hip hop needs groups like slaughterhouse, the same way hip hop needs ignorant music, poppy rap, gangster rap, and so on. They may not fit your tastes but they are one of the few rappers still making that kind of hip hop, and so they serve a purpose.
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Seriously. I don't why Gaf-Hop dumps on em so bad. Slaughterhouse is in the "high energy spitters" niche. That radio freestyle, BET cypher, workout/jogging playlist style of music. Nothing wrong with that.
 
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siddx said:
Hip hop needs groups like slaughterhouse, the same way hip hop needs ignorant music, poppy rap, gangster rap, and so on. They may not fit your tastes but they are one of the few rappers still making that kind of hip hop, and so they serve a purpose.
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Does hip hop need groups like Slaughterhouse to put out records that have been put through the Shady/Aftermath A&R focus tested machine? Because the two songs that are out, yeah. They got Radioactive'd.
 
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PBY

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siddx said:
Hip hop needs groups like slaughterhouse, the same way hip hop needs ignorant music, poppy rap, gangster rap, and so on. They may not fit your tastes but they are one of the few rappers still making that kind of hip hop, and so they serve a purpose.
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Net_Wrecker said:
Seriously. I don't why Gaf-Hop dumps on em so bad. Slaughterhouse is in the "high energy spitters" niche. That radio freestyle, BET cypher, workout/jogging playlist style of music. Nothing wrong with that.
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I agree x10000. I just wonder which direction they'll take this new album- I fucking loved their first one even though alot of people bagged on it. I like Hammer Dance, and I like this new single too, but the direction of the album could go either way for me. They're battle rappers- SO I WANT BATTLE RAP FROM THEM. They need to play to their strengths and not make Radioactive 2.0.
 
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CRS

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Complex Shadow said:
man there's too much shit out atm the moment.

i hope hires makes a new thread or updates the old one.
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I have like 30 tabs open from going through the last 15ish pages. So much to download and that's not including HiRes' thread that I still need to finish going through.

Haha HiRes. Just started listening to that new Lushife as I was reading that post. Starting off really strong with Magnolia.

For you Spotify users.
 
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Esch

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Net_Wrecker said:
Seriously. I don't why Gaf-Hop dumps on em so bad. Slaughterhouse is in the "high energy spitters" niche. That radio freestyle, BET cypher, workout/jogging playlist style of music. Nothing wrong with that.
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I just wish theyd hit my spittin sweet spot more. a lot of the time they aim for the rappity rap shit and end up sounding so corny.
 
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Tguy said:
That would be pretty damn crazy if that were true. I'd feel pretty sad too.
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Too $hort put out Money in Ghetto in that era. One of his biggest singles. The positive Pac songs got a lot of spin too.

It's all some bullshit. JanSport tears. That feeling Consequence and Canibus have everyday when they wake up.
 
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HRD, it's my personal opinion, that we post the R&B shit in here and make a it general catch all urban music thread. I don't want to have to go to another thread to find the new R&B hotness. At least cross post it all over here. We discuss The-Dream, Frank and Weeknd, Novel, Drake, J.Cole etc. in this thread just fine. No need for a new one really.
 
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i really hope that wayne song is new. he hasnt sounded that clear in years.

50 owns Young Buck's existence apparently...

Rapper 50 Cent is laying claim to former protégé Young Buck’s compositions and recordings, threatening plans to sell those assets in the latter’s bankruptcy.

Attorneys representing 50 Cent and his G-Unit Records say a recent motion to sell Young Buck’s intellectual property in a bid to pay his creditors, which we previously covered, doesn’t disclose the specific assets up for grabs.

That’s a problem for 50 Cent, who signed Young Buck to his label in 2004, who says their still-standing recording agreement covers just about all of the IP. As a result, the rapper behind such hits as “In Da Club” and “Candy Shop” is asking a bankruptcy judge to block the sale until they can work out just what Young Buck is—and isn’t—allowed to sell.

“The creditors are left with no choice but to file this opposition to ensure that the trustee is not seeking to adversely affect the creditors’ rights in assets that they own, or in which they have rights and interests,” 50 Cent’s attorneys wrote in court papers filed last week.

Young Buck, whose real name is David Darnell Brown, remains tied to G-Unit Records but hasn’t recorded for the label for a few years because of a feud with Curtis Jackson (50 Cent’s real name). Buck recently told BET he was open to a G-Unit reunion, but a bankruptcy-court dispute with the label could prevent that.

According to 50 Cent, his label owns 100% of all rights of recordings Young Buck did for G-Unit and has the exclusive right “to distribute, reproduce, and authorize adaptations and all performances in whatever form.” Attorneys say that includes Young Buck’s 2010 studio album, “The Rehab,” and any recordings released since, even the songs released independently of G-Unit.

But that’s not all, 50 says. Young Buck also granted G-Unit rights to use of his professional name, trademarks, portraits, logos and likeness, including “a perpetual and exclusive publicity right” to use his past or current recordings o promote records. G-Unit also says it alone can create and host Young Buck’s official website. And an exclusive song-publishing agreement with Universal Music (which filed its own objection) and 50 Cent grants them the exclusive right to administer and publish Young Buck’s songs.

“Thus, all compositions created by the debtor have already been irrevocably conveyed to Jackson (and Universal), and G-Unit retains irrevocable rights of ‘every kind and nature,’ including to rights to royalties, copyrights, to renew/extend copyrights and to causes of action,” attorneys wrote.

But they did throw Young Buck, as well as the bankruptcy trustee overseeing his case, a bone.

“To the extent that the debtor has a share in some of the royalties under the publishing agreement, presumably those assets could be sold,” attorneys said.

Court papers show the matter will be put before a bankruptcy judge next month at a hearing in Nashville, Tenn.
 
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Tity Boi -> 2 Chainz

Snoop Doggy Dogg -> Snoop Dogg

Young Buck -> ___________

fill that in Buck and you can have a career again.
 
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