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[Jason's Ultimatum]

Just realized what the thread title said. HAHAHAHAHA.

RIGGITY ROW!

 

[Recon]

lil b couldn't ride a bicycle with training wheels.

.

 

[PBY]

Oh speaking of Gunplay! Serious question, what from him should I check out? That kendrick feature made me interested in his albums or whatever.

http://www.datpiff.com/Gunplay-Haters-Aint-A-Problem-mixtape.312094.html
get hype

 

[Jo Shishido's Cheeks]

lil b couldn't ride a bicycle with training wheels.

That may be so, but he killed Banner on his own beat so what does that say for Banner?

 

[PBY]

peterb0y please don't say you watched all the way until the 7:30 mark!?

He probably watched the whole thing.

I...I did. :/

 

[kamspy]

So, outside of his work (which I didn't know was his at the time) on Beats, Rhymes and Life, I never heard much Dilla. There's a little 5 year windows in 00s that if the gas station didn't have it on the bootleg table, I wasn't exposed to it. That's kinda Dilla's heyday I guess.

So I bought Donuts off the Google Music sale. Umm. Am I missing something? Shit's kinda sleepy and doesn't really jump out at me.

 

[Jo Shishido's Cheeks]

I'm a beats man and I've never been a fan of Donuts either...

Spoiler

Plus kinda think Dilla is overrated in all honesty

That Andre 3000 interview was a great read! I can't hate that he's taking his time, he seems to have a pretty big fear of failure which is exactly what's buried Detox. Must be hard to feel, in such a bravado-centric scene, that maybe you can't match up to the new guys anymore.....

I...I did. :/

Tag quote!

 

[PhoenixDark]

So, outside of his work (which I didn't know was his at the time) on Beats, Rhymes and Life, I never heard much Dilla. There's a little 5 year windows in 00s that if the gas station didn't have it on the bootleg table, I wasn't exposed to it. That's kinda Dilla's heyday I guess.

So I bought Donuts off the Google Music sale. Umm. Am I missing something? Shit's kinda sleepy and doesn't really jump out at me.

You'd probably like his harder stuff more than Donuts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PG2qADZoRRI&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BDfHRTop8w&feature=related

nobody fucks with Dilla's drums

 

[PBY]

Tag quote!

 

[SoilBreak]

I...I did. :/

dayum shame

 

[Jo Shishido's Cheeks]

nobody fucks with Dilla's drums

 

[dafinezt]

I felt the same way the first time I listened to Donuts. It's definitely a grower. There is a lot of attention to detail in each track but it doesn't really seem that way the first time through. After each spin you pick up on something new and after a while you really have to appreciate what Dilla's created.

 

[PhoenixDark]

Who's that? Oh, another producer like Kanye who has others find his samples and do all the work for him

 

[CliqWriter]

Damn, ya'll are right this tape is smooth. But I just wish his delivery was better on some joints.

 

[CRS]

That eyebrow. Does he use The People's drums?

 

[victreeb3l]

"waves" was the only thing that really got me the first time out of anything from donuts. i think it was on adult swim or something. the rest, yeah takes some time to grow on you.

it made me think of borat haha.

same, ugh lol. wish one of them threw him out the window. he looks like he weighs less than my cat

 

[kamspy]

So what set's this guy apart from a Statik Selektah? They both have that good, but kinda average sound to me. Just doesn't jump out at me.

 

[DominoKid]

So, outside of his work (which I didn't know was his at the time) on Beats, Rhymes and Life, I never heard much Dilla. There's a little 5 year windows in 00s that if the gas station didn't have it on the bootleg table, I wasn't exposed to it. That's kinda Dilla's heyday I guess.

So I bought Donuts off the Google Music sale. Umm. Am I missing something? Shit's kinda sleepy and doesn't really jump out at me.

Donuts is bigger than just the music. A lot of those beats Dilla made from his hospital bed as he was dying. It's basically his final statement. It's one of those albums you kinda had to be wrapped up in the moment to get the complete significance.

Dilla's greatness flies under the radar because he never really reached the notoriety of a superproducer. But honestly he's a top 5 producer.

 

[DominoKid]

Nope. Not even Timbo.

 

[Blackace]

I'd say that David Banner is a better rapper technical wise? and larger subject matter.

What I honestly like about KRIT is his ability to deliver some simple lines that are straight to the point but doesn't actually harm him like it does for some rappers. Hard to explain it, but just he knows how to make songs with deeper meanings without relying much on similes and metaphors.

At least that's how I feel.

I love KRIT and don't need him to be "better" than other people to enjoy him... but it is a little hyperbolic to crown him at this point

If we are talking entire career, banner of course takes the win, but thats not really fair, that would be comparing 13 years of production to 2 (well not counting the prebuzz stuff). In that case banner murders him. But comparing the last 2 years, krit has been far more consistent.
MTA3 might change that though.

Banner hasn't done much lately but his production on the Young Money album, and his few scattered singles have been VERY solid..

Because he hasn't done much is why people are forgetting about him... like Mannie who is light years ahead of KRIT as a producer but not as good of a rapper (can drop a DOPE hook tho)

You it is not fair to compare careers but how can you compare only the last two years when Banner has been off the scene those years.. if you look at his last album and compare it you can see that at this point Banner has more range in raps and production but KRIT will get there for sure

 

[Jo Shishido's Cheeks]

Who's that? Oh, another producer like Kanye who has others find his samples and do all the work for him

Yeah he uses co-producers and has done since 2004.
However, 1996-2004 was all him solo and they are beats that changed the sound of radio and redefined modern music. Dilla is a samples and drums man, that's cool. Tim though killed it in everything from hip-hop and r&b to rock, pop, dance and even gospel. There's no comparison. One is a beatmaker, the other a musician.

 

[enzo_gt]

Wiz Khalifa video
fast forward to 7:30
No comment :|
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KiiCOhWkN8&feature=player_embedded

Ladies and gentlemen, the future of hip-hop.

S
M
H

 

[Recon]

Yeah he uses co-producers and has done since 2004.
However, 1996-2004 was all him solo and they are beats that changed the sound of radio and redefined modern music. Dilla is a samples and drums man, that's cool. Tim though killed it in everything from hip-hop and r&b to rock, pop, dance and even gospel. There's no comparison. One is a beatmaker, the other a musician.

I know what you are getting at, but saying a beatmaker isnt a musician is ignorant as fuck.

 

[Jo Shishido's Cheeks]

Dilla's greatness flies under the radar because he never really reached the notoriety of a superproducer. But honestly he's a top 5 producer.

He only remained under the radar as he tended to choke on big releases, right?
Like on the Tribe, Q-Tip and majority of Busta releases. His best beats remained underground, largely unheard and so he never really got that reputation.

I know what you are getting at, but saying a beatmaker isnt a musician is ignorant as fuck.

Man I fucking love sampling and the craft of beat making so I didn't mean it as a knock and could have definitely phrased it better, but even Prince Paul describes himself as solely a beatmaker when asked about production. There's obviously a huge discrepancy between looping a sample and leading an orchestra, but I do believe that sampling is an art itself and don't mean to belittle any primarily sample-based producers.

 

[Glass Rebel]

So, outside of his work (which I didn't know was his at the time) on Beats, Rhymes and Life, I never heard much Dilla. There's a little 5 year windows in 00s that if the gas station didn't have it on the bootleg table, I wasn't exposed to it. That's kinda Dilla's heyday I guess.

So I bought Donuts off the Google Music sale. Umm. Am I missing something? Shit's kinda sleepy and doesn't really jump out at me.

You telling me you haven't listened to Busta?

Busta Rhymes - Still Shining
Busta Rhymes - You can't hold the torch (feat. Q-Tip)

Other stuff:

J Dilla - Fuck the Police
De La Soul - Stakes is High
The Pharcyde - Drop
The Roots - Dynamite!
Phat Kat - Cold Steel (feat. Elzhi)
Ghostface Killah - Murda Goons
Raekwon - House Of Flying Daggers (feat. Inspectah Deck, Ghostface KIllah & Method Man)


If you're just looking for beats, I think you'd be more into his harder, bootlegged stuff.

 

[DominoKid]

Wiz Khalifa video
fast forward to 7:30
No comment :|
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KiiCOhWkN8&feature=player_embedded

lmao Wiz can barely pick his Timbs up.

 

[Blackace]

I know what you are getting at, but saying a beatmaker isnt a musician is ignorant as fuck.

One does hip-hop the other raps

 

[dskillzhtown]

I like the KRIT mixtape, but I am hoping to hear more like this on the album -

Fresh Out The Wrap

 

[Recon]

One does hip-hop the other raps

Lol that also fucking annoys me.

 

[siddx]

Dilla's beats are only as good as whomever is rapping over them. And there are only a few rappers who worked well on his production.

 

[enzo_gt]

Side note:

Wassup by A$AP Rocky is the best Clams Casino beat ever. So fresh. That shit is straight up atmospheric, like your drifting in another dimension or some shit.

Also I'm a hypocrite and have been banging the A$AP tape regularly for the past month. Well only the 5 good songs but still. /shame

 

[kamspy]

Didn't know he did Drop. And nah, I don't really mess with Busta's catalog. He's a feature dude to me. Couldn't ever fully rock out to any of his albums.

 

[Pol_Pothead]

Oh speaking of Gunplay! Serious question, what from him should I check out? That kendrick feature made me interested in his albums or whatever.

Gunplay actually has a mixtape coming out this week called Bogota Rich: The Prequel and the first song leaked from it was this one...

Gunplay - Jump Out


If you want something from him right now I would go with his Inglourious Bastard Mixtape.

Gunplay - Inglourious Bastard (The Prelude To Valkyrie)

Also with producer/rappers I think Supa Villain who's also from Mississippi has been putting a bunch of great stuff out. Not much of it is on youtube but here's a few songs he's done...

Call Me Mr. Carter
Blood Sweat And Tears
Miscarriage
Keep Makin My Music
I'm Sick Of This

 

[The Return of]

I love KRIT and don't need him to be "better" than other people to enjoy him... but it is a little hyperbolic to crown him at this point

this is true haha. Earlier, I was going to post something about how I can see Krit having his own cycle within the next couple of years alongside Kanye if it's this bad already.

 

[Blackace]

Dilla's beats are only as good as whomever is rapping over them. And there are only a few rappers who worked well on his production.

Few producers make rappers better... Not ever Dre has done it really.. he needs a certain type of rapper to get it in... Mannie, Lex, No-ID, Drumma Boy, are examples of producers who make beats that make whoever raps over it sound better.

Most other producers need a rapper who suits their style..

Also, has there been any female producers? I just thought of that..

 

[siddx]

Didn't know he did Drop. And nah, I don't really mess with Busta's catalog. He's a feature dude to me. Couldn't ever fully rock out to any of his albums.

I'm a big Busta fan but I agree, he's at his best with his big singles and on features. I've owned every single album he's released and I am always disappointed (you think I'd learn lol). They are always half great tracks and half "wake me up when it's over" tracks. It's been a long time since I heard it but I think The Coming might be the only exception.

 

[Glass Rebel]

Yeah he uses co-producers and has done since 2004.
However, 1996-2004 was all him solo and they are beats that changed the sound of radio and redefined modern music. Dilla is a samples and drums man, that's cool. Tim though killed it in everything from hip-hop and r&b to rock, pop, dance and even gospel. There's no comparison. One is a beatmaker, the other a musician.

Rofl. You mean the guy who often used live instrumentation (which he played himself), played drums on his tracks (or even "drummed" with his hands on his chest and knees and equalized the recording to make it sound like drums) and both rapped and sung on his tracks wasn't a musician? The fuck outta here with that bullshit.

 

[Jason's Ultimatum]

Insomnia and 1986 are good songs.

 

[siddx]

Few producers make rappers better... Not ever Dre has done it really.. he needs a certain type of rapper to get it in... Mannie, Lex, No-ID, Drumma Boy, are examples of producers who make beats that make whoever raps over it sound better.

Most other producers need a rapper who suits their style..

Also, has there been any female producers? I just thought of that..

I'm sure you'll disagree, as well many others, but I think Dre makes Snoop better to an extreme degree. Snoop never sounds as amazing as he does on a Dre track. It's extremely noticeable to me.

And I can't think of any female producers

 

[Blackace]

I'm a big Busta fan but I agree, he's at his best with his big singles and on features. I've owned every single album he's released and I am always disappointed (you think I'd learn lol). They are always half great tracks and half "wake me up when it's over" tracks. It's been a long time since I heard it but I think The Coming might be the only exception.

Luda has that same problem..

Busta's most complete album was his Aftermath joint

Busta and Luda should make an album called "Some tracks dope!"

 

[Blackace]

I'm sure you'll disagree, as well many others, but I think Dre makes Snoop better to an extreme degree. Snoop never sounds as amazing as he does on a Dre track. It's extremely noticeable to me.

And I can't think of any female producers

I agree fully.. I didn't think is was issue

Dre, Daz, Warren G beats..

Snoop sounds out of place on a lot of stuff like All I do is Win..ugh..

No Limit Snoop was like fml

 

[The Return of]

http://www.datpiff.com/Gunplay-Haters-Aint-A-Problem-mixtape.312094.html
get hype

yes...thanks. this hits me hard after listening to krits tape haha. nice shit.

Gunplay actually has a mixtape coming out this week called Bogota Rich: The Prequel and the first song leaked from it was this one...

Gunplay - Jump Out


If you want something from him right now I would go with his Inglourious Bastard Mixtape.

Gunplay - Inglourious Bastard (The Prelude To Valkyrie)

cool shit, preciate. Going to check that out and his tape next week as well.

 

[Jo Shishido's Cheeks]

Rofl. You mean the guy who often used live instrumentation (which he played himself), played drums on his tracks (or even "drummed" with his hands on his chest and knees and equalized the recording to make it sound like drums) and both rapped and sung on his tracks wasn't a musician? The fuck outta here with that bullshit.

Let's see what Timbaland has also done:
Live instrumentation? Yep!
Played drums on tracks? Yep!
Both rapped and sung on his tracks? Yep!

So all of those examples are nothing out of Timbalands lane except as said, Dilla stuck solely to hip-hop whereas Tim was equally adept in numerous genres so I don't really see how this negates my point? Where is the bullshit?

Edit:
OH OH OH
If you're solely talking about the 'musician' term then in my defence I did write this after:

Man I fucking love sampling and the craft of beat making so I didn't mean it as a knock and could have definitely phrased it better, but even Prince Paul describes himself as solely a beatmaker when asked about production. There's obviously a huge discrepancy between looping a sample and leading an orchestra, but I do believe that sampling is an art itself and don't mean to belittle any primarily sample-based producers.

Of course he's a musician, it's just ludicrous to call him a better musician/producer/beatmaker/whatever than Timbaland when as said their bodies of work really don't compare at all really...

 

[SpeedingUptoStop]

Pol_Pothead nailed it. Jump Out is fucking fire. SO MANY GUN SAMPLES

 

[Glass Rebel]

Syd da Kid of Odd Future is the only female producer in Hip-Hop I know of.

There are quite some DJanes though, like DJ La Mica (nsfw, just thought I'd share)

 

[siddx]

I agree fully.. I didn't think is was issue

Dre, Daz, Warren G beats..

Snoop sounds out of place on a lot of stuff like All I do is Win..ugh..

No Limit Snoop was like fml

I was legit angry over no limit snoop. I had already been disappointed by doggfather and after listening to "da game is to be sold..." it made me fucking furious.
I'm glad he redeemed himself to a decent degree later on though.

 

[Blackace]

Let's see what Timbaland has also done:
Live instrumentation? Yep!
Played drums on tracks? Yep!
Both rapped and sung on his tracks? Yep!

So all of those examples are nothing out of Timbalands lane except as said, Dilla stuck solely to hip-hop whereas Tim was equally adept in numerous genres so I don't really see how this negates my point? Where is the bullshit?

OH OH OH
If you're solely talking about the 'musician' term then in my defence I did write this after:

Man I fucking love sampling and the craft of beat making so I didn't mean it as a knock and could have definitely phrased it better, but even Prince Paul describes himself as solely a beatmaker when asked about production. There's obviously a huge discrepancy between looping a sample and leading an orchestra, but I do believe that sampling is an art itself and don't mean to belittle any primarily sample-based producers.

Tim really hasn't gone far outside of hip-hop... his R&B/Pop tracks are just hip-hop tracks that someone sings on.

Someone who plays a tuba or leads an orchestra most likely couldn't make a beat with samples and loops so even saying it is pretty pointless

 

[Blackace]

I was legit angry over no limit snoop. I had already been disappointed by doggfather and after listening to "da game is to be sold..." it made me fucking furious.
I'm glad he redeemed himself to a decent degree later on though.

Well after Doggfather No Limit Snoop made him sound like the greatest ever.. Doggfather is one of the worst albums ever made...

 

[Glass Rebel]

Let's see what Timbaland has also done:
Live instrumentation? Yep!
Played drums on tracks? Yep!
Both rapped and sung on his tracks? Yep!

So all of those examples are nothing out of Timbalands lane except as said, Dilla stuck solely to hip-hop whereas Tim was equally adept in numerous genres so I don't really see how this negates my point? Where is the bullshit?

Edit:
OH OH OH
If you're solely talking about the 'musician' term then in my defence I did write this after:

Man I fucking love sampling and the craft of beat making so I didn't mean it as a knock and could have definitely phrased it better, but even Prince Paul describes himself as solely a beatmaker when asked about production. There's obviously a huge discrepancy between looping a sample and leading an orchestra, but I do believe that sampling is an art itself and don't mean to belittle any primarily sample-based producers.

Of course he's a musician, it's just ludicrous to call him a better musician/producer/beatmaker/whatever than Timbaland when as said their bodies of work really don't compare at all really...

The hell? I didn't even talk about Timbo, you said Dilla was just a beat-maker. And if you actually knew shit about him, you'd know that he produced tracks for Janet Jackson, Erykah Badu and D'Angelo which aren't hip-hop at all.

 

[Jo Shishido's Cheeks]

Tim really hasn't gone far outside of hip-hop... his R&B/Pop tracks are just hip-hop tracks that someone sings on.

Come on now. No really, come on.....

Beck - Diamond Dogs
The Rapture - No Sex For Ben
Bjork - Earth Intruders

The hell? I didn't even talk about Timbo, you said Dilla was just a beat-maker. And if you actually knew shit about him, you'd know that he produced tracks for Janet Jackson, Erykah Badu and D'Angelo which aren't hip-hop at all.

Which I then retracted and said "of course he's a musician" so really what's the problem...?