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[Esch]

yeah dont shit on me for this but sometimes he sounds like J Cole after he spent a year in the trap

 

[HiResDes]

yeah dont shit on me for this but sometimes he sounds like J Cole after he spent a year in the trap

Read my mind

 

[Blackace]

I'm not saying he's not lyrical... I'm just saying that while its a good album it doesnt tell me that much about Meek himself. What makes Meek Mill's story interesting or provocative? I'm not really pulled in by the whole thing. So it's good, not great for me. it had bangers tho

Can't feel anything you just said

To me has layers and what he says at face value but once you let his lyrics sink in they real good

Not saying he is Nas or Cube

But he comes correct to me

Meek has a few deep songs, Kendrick has an entire deep album that somehow manages to still bang in the whip

If your whip is a rust colored 84 hatchback civic that blows oil smoke until it warms up then I agree

Exactly. He does absolutely nothing to stand out. Nothing. He's a generic ass rapper with a generic ass lyrical content and generic ass concepts. He's background music at most. He can get a play here and there, but that's about it. He has potential though, if he ever decides to figure out what he's about and stick to it. His flow is nice and he has all the backing in the world. He may put out a great album one year, but that year isn't 2012.

Yeah
No

Outside of Ace Hood there really isn't really that flows like

If he can flow like he did on power circle more he will have wide range
Subject matter is a bit limited tho I admit

 

[enzo_gt]

I find it kind of weird sometimes y'all expect every rapper to be deep to have some merit in quality. I could've swore we had this discussion earlier in GAF-Hop where you can make good music without having some introspective element to it and being that "real" hip-hop. Sometimes it's single standard in here, sometimes double standard.

It's like criticizing French for not being introspective. That's not the point of the music, and it certainly doesn't devalue it because it's not something it's not trying to be IMO. I don't think Meek's tape tries to focus on a theme, just gives little blips of what he's all about, of which only a facet is the pain from his childhood.

 

[PBY]

I find it kind of weird sometimes y'all expect every rapper to be deep to have some merit in quality. I could've swore we had this discussion earlier in GAF-Hop where you can make good music without having some introspective element to it and being that "real" hip-hop. Sometimes it's single standard in here, sometimes double standard.

It's like criticizing French for not being introspective. That's not the point of the music, and it certainly doesn't devalue it because it's not something it's not trying to be IMO. I don't think Meek's tape tries to focus on a theme, just gives little blips of what he's all about, of which only a facet is the pain from his childhood.

THIS. Its a total double standard, and some of yall pull that card when you want to (Exhibit A for Sean P), but then don't give that same treatment to Meek.

 

[Esch]

I find it kind of weird sometimes y'all expect every rapper to be deep to have some merit in quality.

I could've swore we had this discussion earlier in GAF-Hop where you can make good music without having some introspective element to it and being that "real" hip-hop.

It's like criticizing French for not being introspective. That's not the point of the music, and it certainly doesn't devalue it because it's not something it's not trying to be IMO. I don't think Meek's tape tries to focus on a theme, just gives little blips of what he's all about, of which only a facet is the pain from his childhood.

Well for me i just think an artist has to have layers behind what he's saying to be 5/5 type dopeness. I dont care about introspection per se- just something with substance. I don't believe in dichotomies like real shit or fake. I can enjoy plenty of music if its not deep, but i reserve my best praise for the shit that does manage to have layers without it being overbearing and transparent. 3.5/5 is not a bad rating, thats how good i feel it is objectively. Subjectively i like lots of shittier music better.

I dont feel meek and some others in his lane because they try to do too much. Its very apparent to me. "heres the ladies joint, heres my street problems joint, heres my smooth shit, heres my banger", etc etc.

jack of all trades, master of none is the avenue a lot of guys that are in meeks position try to take (IE that dude whos got next) and arguably the only guy in the last couple years to actually accomplish that with tangible lasting success is Drake (may he drown in a sea of sandalwood scented lotion).

 

[Detox]

Fuck double standard. If it didn't exist y'all would agree Jeezy is #2 goat, but you have to go and analyse his lyrics like he's wordsworth. Jeezy writes to make money just like Shakespeare,

 

[Blackace]

Well for me i just think an artist has to have layers behind what he's saying to be 5/5 type dopeness. I dont care about introspection per se- just something with substance. I don't believe in dichotomies like real shit or fake. I can enjoy plenty of music if its not deep, but i reserve my best praise for the shit that does manage to have layers without it being overbearing and transparent.

I dont feel meek and some others in his lane because they try to do too much. Its very apparent to me. "heres the ladies joint, heres my street problems joint, heres my smooth shit, heres my banger", etc etc.

jack of all trades, master of none is the avenue a lot of guys that are in meeks position try to take (IE that dude whos got next) and arguably the only guy in the last couple years to actually accomplish that with tangible lasting success is Drake (may he drown in a sea of sandalwood scented lotion).

You are criticizing the blue print he had no choice but to follow because his label wants that
Listen to his mixtapes and its not there

 

[coldvein]

Well for me i just think an artist has to have layers behind what he's saying to be 5/5 type dopeness. I dont care about introspection per se- just something with substance.

agreed.

 

[Esch]

You are criticizing the blue print he had no choice but to follow because his label wants that
Listen to his mixtapes and its not there

Lots of people do things because their label make them. I judge the product because that's what's fair. although yeah i still plan on looking up some of his old gutter philly shit.

 

[Blackace]

Lots of people do things because their label make them. I judge the product because that's what's fair. although yeah i still plan on looking up some of his old gutter philly shit.

But in the same breath you say Drake had success , which he did commercially, but the product to me was meh at best

 

[enzo_gt]

Well for me i just think an artist has to have layers behind what he's saying to be 5/5 type dopeness. I dont care about introspection per se- just something with substance. I don't believe in dichotomies like real shit or fake. I can enjoy plenty of music if its not deep, but i reserve my best praise for the shit that does manage to have layers without it being overbearing and transparent. 3.5/5 is not a bad rating, thats how good i feel it is objectively. Subjectively i like lots of shittier music better.

I dont feel meek and some others in his lane because they try to do too much. Its very apparent to me. "heres the ladies joint, heres my street problems joint, heres my smooth shit, heres my banger", etc etc.

jack of all trades, master of none is the avenue a lot of guys that are in meeks position try to take (IE that dude whos got next) and arguably the only guy in the last couple years to actually accomplish that with tangible lasting success is Drake (may he drown in a sea of sandalwood scented lotion).

I respect these critiques now that you've elaborated on what you mean specifically by depth (I assumed emotional), and for the most part I agree too.

 

[WanderingWind]

I find it kind of weird sometimes y'all expect every rapper to be deep to have some merit in quality. I could've swore we had this discussion earlier in GAF-Hop where you can make good music without having some introspective element to it and being that "real" hip-hop. Sometimes it's single standard in here, sometimes double standard.

It's like criticizing French for not being introspective. That's not the point of the music, and it certainly doesn't devalue it because it's not something it's not trying to be IMO. I don't think Meek's tape tries to focus on a theme, just gives little blips of what he's all about, of which only a facet is the pain from his childhood.

It's not about being introspective. It's about being about something, anything. If you're going to wild out and be wheels, rims, etc, do it but do it big and bombastic. Meek is just ... dull. If you're going to rhyme about exciting things, be exciting. Don't bore me.

 

[PBY]

It's not about being introspective. It's about being about something, anything. If you're going to wild out and be wheels, rims, etc, do it but do it big and bombastic. Meek is just ... dull. If you're going to rhyme about exciting things, be exciting. Don't bore me.

See, this and Ech's deeper write-up are valid, although Ace makes a good counter point. But like Enzo said, that makes a lot more sense than just "more depth"

 

[Esch]

But in the same breath you say Drake had success , which he did commercially, but the product to me was meh at best

As it was to me. but even people here, whose opinions I respect, seem to even like shit like Take Care quite a bit so i have to admit that there must be something to the whole thing besides commercial appeal. It's just not for me I suppose.

either way that was just referring to commercial success by itself.

 

[Blackace]

See, this and Ech's deeper write-up are valid, although Ace makes a good counter point. But like Enzo said, that makes a lot more sense than just "more depth"

What Ech said I follow

But don't really get it from Meek

Also I have heard Meek called alot of things but never dull

 

[WanderingWind]

What Ech said I follow

But don't really get it from Meek

Also I have heard Meek called alot of things but never dull

But he is though. (I ain't about that doe shit, ain't happening.)

He's not terrible. He just does nothing for me. I just find myself wanting to skip all of his tracks half way though. I really have to make an effort to not to, in the hopes that he'll change it up, make it not dull. He doesn't.

 

[PBY]

50 Cent Single w/ Adam Levine + Eminem snippet
http://www.sharebeast.com/gtjmtiifvyyg

sounds pretty garbage to me. this is the kind of beat that eminem loves but that is terrible for him. he goes full cheeseball mode.

 

[PhoenixDark]

Meek's album is surprisingly good imo. It's basically what I hoped GFID would be. Traumatized it the best track but there are some big bangers on there like the intro, Believe It, Polo And Shell Tops, and the amazing Tony Story pt 2

 

[PBY]

Meek's album is surprisingly good imo. It's basically what I hoped GFID would be. Traumatized it the best track but there are some big bangers on there like the intro, Believe It, Polo And Shell Tops, and the amazing Tony Story pt 2

I agree with this. Ross went too far down the "Ima-smoke-a-cigar-on-my-yacht-to-this-cuz-im-rich" music lane.

 

[Esch]

I agree with this. Ross went too far down the "Ima-smoke-a-cigar-on-my-yacht-to-this-cuz-im-rich" music lane.

Yup. It kinda feels too comfortable, like the kind of album you make when you've already made an album that put all your peers to shame on the charts.

 

[Blackace]

Meek's album is surprisingly good imo. It's basically what I hoped GFID would be. Traumatized it the best track but there are some big bangers on there like the intro, Believe It, Polo And Shell Tops, and the amazing Tony Story pt 2

Love Believe It

Ross chorus is fire

Great album to me

A couple of stinkers on it
But great overall

 

[PhoenixDark]

I agree with this. Ross went too far down the "Ima-smoke-a-cigar-on-my-yacht-to-this-cuz-im-rich" music lane.

Yup. It's very similar to Deeper Than Rap. And while I liked DTR (outside of the ladies tracks) I thought GFID didn't deliver on the banger front. Tracks like Amsterdam and Sixteen were super dope and very chill, but it would have been better if it also had some of the types of tracks on Meek's album.

Also GFID is poorly sequenced. All the lady tracks are at the end, killing the momentum

 

[Blackace]

Yup. It kinda feels too comfortable, like the kind of album you make when you've already made an album that put all your peers to shame on the charts.

With an album name like that it should have been 50 percent trap

 

[PBY]

With an album name like that it should have been 50 percent trap

You know.. that might be why I was so disappointed. If he had called it something like, I dunno, Maybach Cigar Music, I'd prob be more okay with it. Hold Me Back was pretty solid, it just dissapoints when you compare it to his last album's production, which was insane, and still is untouchable, imho.

 

[DominoKid]

Meek has a few deep songs, Kendrick has an entire deep album that somehow manages to still bang in the whip

Kendrick's album does a lot of things but bang is not one of them.

 

[Esch]

With an album name like that it should have been 50 percent trap

I was expecting it to be pretty much all hype shit like BMF/So Sophisticated etc.... Or some white collar crime shit like Tower Heist and Pandemonium. this album was too upbeat for sure.

I want Self Made 3 to be the best yet so bad, as good as the first one. anyway MMG needs to keep their track listing to 12 or less. they already make some longer songs.

 

[SoilBreak]

Believe It is hot as fuck though



I GOT DAT JUSTIN BIEBER PLEASE BELIEVE IT!

 

[Esch]

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[Booya]

listened to most proposed/hyped/talked about LP's in this thread and love most of it.

i'll add something to the mix where i'm interested if production > lyrics. you won't understand it but in my opinion the production is exactly how i dig it.

i dig how his tracks unfolds inclusivly his voice/flow/production throughout the 5 minutes, this one is prolly my fav of his new LP:
Medium - Astral

the beat and the echoing sample in the background makes it for me:
Medium - Matka Planeta

don't know that much about the bloke so its just my interest how englishspeaking nations react to foreign rap.

 

[PBY]

listened to most proposed/hyped/talked about LP's in this thread and love most of it.

i'll add something to the mix where i'm interested if production > lyrics. you won't understand it but in my opinion the production is exactly how i dig it.

i dig how his tracks unfolds inclusivly his voice/flow/production throughout the 5 minutes, this one is prolly my fav of his new LP:
Medium - Astral

the beat and the echoing sample in the background makes it for me:
Medium - Matka Planeta

don't know that much about the bloke so its just my interest how englishspeaking nations react to foreign rap.

This is not bad.
You ever listen to ASAP Rocky? (not the best correlative example, just the first that popped into my head)
This sounds like a mix of clams casino style production, with some jazz/trip hop elements.

 

[enzo_gt]

50 Cent Single w/ Adam Levine + Eminem snippet
http://www.sharebeast.com/gtjmtiifvyyg

sounds pretty garbage to me. this is the kind of beat that eminem loves but that is terrible for him. he goes full cheeseball mode.

Sounds like it could be a good track, just not a track I want 50 and Em to also be on.

Meek's album is surprisingly good imo. It's basically what I hoped GFID would be. Traumatized it the best track but there are some big bangers on there like the intro, Believe It, Polo And Shell Tops, and the amazing Tony Story pt 2

These are my top picks too. Traumatized, Believe It and Polo and Shell Tops are fantastic.

 

[Booya]

This is not bad.
You ever listen to ASAP Rocky? (not the best correlative example, just the first that popped into my head)
This sounds like a mix of clams casino style production, with some jazz/trip hop elements.

huh, this is a comparison i've never thought of but it does sound a bit like clams casino you're right. The thing about jazz is a big factor in polish music, especially on a small label that produces most of the best rap in the country. Here is one more:
http://soundcloud.com/booya2k/medigraal

and i got to at least mention the guy who shaped the rap in the country with his 10+ albums over the last decades with instrumentals: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kdt9IDXJ6Y
and raps: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQU34NhB9Ec
this one features Brother J of Brooklyns X-Clan.



Since Action Bronson is pretty popular here, let me add a fun fact. Here is the original sample of the title track rare chandeliers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ydww1P7jKg
Love how Alchemist is still on his east-europe phase, russian roulette was ingenius.

 

[PBY]

huh, this is a comparison i've never thought of but it does sound a bit like clams casino you're right. The thing about jazz is a big factor in polish music, especially on a small label that produces most of the best rap in the country. Here is one more:
http://soundcloud.com/booya2k/medigraal

and i got to at least mention the guy who shaped the rap in the country with his 10+ albums over the last decades with instrumentals: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kdt9IDXJ6Y
and raps: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQU34NhB9Ec
this one features Brother J of Brooklyns X-Clan.



Since Action Bronson is pretty popular here, let me add a fun fact. Here is the original sample of the title track rare chandeliers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ydww1P7jKg
Love how Alchemist is still on his east-europe phase, russian roulette was ingenius.

Very very cool. Love hearing stuff like this. Didn't know Bronsellini was big over there

 

[coldvein]

i think that em/50/whoever track could be good. shrug

 

[Booya]

Very very cool. Love hearing stuff like this. Didn't know Bronsellini was big over there

Dunno, i doubt he is. Im not living in poland but since there's mostly shite here in germany in terms of rap i check out the rest of europe (plus obviously america).

As for germany and Bronson or lets say germany and all new (good) rap, its pretty sad. The city i live in has a very nice rap-dj-scene but they only spin oldschool stuff, which isnt bad, don't get me wrong but there is so much awesome new stuff out there. I'm trying to build an event for current us-rap and hope it'll work out.

 

[PBY]

From KTT: Apparently some kids from GBE jumped Mac Maine

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Gbe's one and only non-rappin weed carrier. https://twitter.com/GBE_TADOE , was on twitter yesterday talkin shit to Mack Maine. Apparently they had a confrontation last night in the club, and Maine got jumped.


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Just fuck da club up #ymcmbk


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No dey fu fu niggaz RT @CaroDelgado4: @gbe_tadoe you don't fuck with ymcmb


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Mack mané a BITCH he a opp



And then there was this bystander who tweeted.

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@BigCorn300
@GBE_TADOE gave Mac Maine of YMCMB that GBE business @ CLUB DREAM in MIA rite in front of STUNNA fa tryna tweak with him. #GBE #AINTFANUN



And then, the man himself Mac Maine tweets.

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@mackmaine
The pebbles the peasants throw don't reach the throne.....chill youngin u just jumped off the porch

 

[coldvein]

I'm trying to build an event for current us-rap and hope it'll work out.

nice! good luck man. that is a worthy cause.

 

[The Return of]

I had to think a good minute or two to remember who is Mack Maine

 

[enzo_gt]

GBE don't want it with Cash Money. Nobody want it with Cash Money. Now they're going to order up a Boi-1da x Drake diss track, and then we all lose.

 

[PBY]

GBE don't want it with Cash Money. Nobody want it with Cash Money. Now they're going to order up a Boi-1da x Drake diss track, and then we all lose.

Forgot to post this, but apparently Pusha has a Lil Wayne diss coming out. Gonna go find the source, not kidding lol.

 

[enzo_gt]

Forgot to post this, but apparently Pusha has a Lil Wayne diss coming out. Gonna go find the source, not kidding lol.

I've watched like 8 Pusha interviews in the past month where he keeps talking about the faux beef he keeps perpetuating.

Its so silly and tiresome yet intriguing because somehow it's still a thing.

 

[DominoKid]

Is there anything you can do w/ weed stems?

 

[PBY]

I've watched like 8 Pusha interviews in the past month where he keeps talking about the faux beef he keeps perpetuating.

Its so silly and tiresome yet intriguing because somehow it's still a thing.

Lol what I came up with was basically that he was hyping up a verse that he freestyled- it turns out it was just the same verse he dropped on alley boys mixtape, except that now he came out and said it was against wayne. Mixtape is months old now lol.

 

[The Return of]

Is there anything you can do w/ weed stems?

just buy more weed brah, you better than that. It's not good.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Dragon_(drink)

Did Bronson teach you this?

 

[Esch]

Is there anything you can do w/ weed stems?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Dragon_(drink)

 

[TOP SHOTTA]

I've watched like 8 Pusha interviews in the past month where he keeps talking about the faux beef he keeps perpetuating.

Its so silly and tiresome yet intriguing because somehow it's still a thing.

Irritating me too and I am a huge Pusha T fan. I was pretty disgusted when his "debut" album got moved out to 2013. F**king bullshit. Kanye's his boss, and Kanye is usually pretty good about striking while the iron is hot. My God is his best song in my opinion, then the collab with Tyler came out and got hot too - then What Dreams Are Made Of - another motherf**king amazing Pusha song. I feel like they are missing out on a huge opportunity here with him. Unless there are a bunch of singles planned, they need to be very concerned with him fading a little bit again, and I would personally hate to see that - because he is my favorite rapper

Forgot to post this, but apparently Pusha has a Lil Wayne diss coming out. Gonna go find the source, not kidding lol.

Sorry, in addition to Exodus? Just asking for clarification.

 

[Zeus Molecules]

Is there anything you can do w/ weed stems?

make tea with it

 

[PBY]

Sorry, in addition to Exodus? Just asking for clarification.

No- had read this thread:
http://www.kanyetothe.com/forum/index.php?topic=335661.0

Basically, haven't read thru the whole thing yet, it seems that Pusha "freestyled" the verse he dropped a few months ago on Alley Boy's mixtape, making it seem like it was intended for Wayne.

Seems like making a lot out of nothing.

 

[DominoKid]

just buy more weed brah, you better than that. It's not good.

Did Bronson teach you this?

I got weed. I was just curious. Might have to try the drinks.