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GAF-Hop |OTX| Long Live the Watcher

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CountBlack

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enzo_gt said:
This Lupe and Ab-Soul song.

My god, how could Ab-Soul screw this album up this bad? Top and them have probably had enough of him, and have sort of let him do whatever because he's smoked himself crazy. It's so unfortunate, this probably hurts Jay Rock's set up in the long run and prevents TDE having a 3-peat.
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It's sad because I kinda agree with you.

Soul pls.

These Days ft. The Oh Noes or something, wasn't bad though.. Stigmata was cool too. Can't believe they put Dub Sac on that shit.

Soul pls stop smoking pls.
 
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PBY

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Guys, heres my EP
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http://flightmuzik88.bandcamp.com/album/raw-silk

7 Tracks


Enjoy fammmmm

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Enter The 36 Chambers

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Tokubetsu said:
A classic turns 17 today:
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WE CAN MAKE IT HAPPEN IF WE WANT TO
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Tokubetsu said:
They should have given Tragedy Khadafi a spot on the cover.
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I love both these posts. Bloody Money still sounds so tough. Great album.


So...

CNN The War Report Vs Tha Dogg Pound Dogg Food??

As much as I love The War Report I go back to Dogg Food a lot more. Dre and Daz nailed the production, sounds like Doggystyle but clearly has more Daz and D.O.C(?) influence.
Classic west coast music.
 
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enzo_gt

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Pretty much been away from my PC the past few days, but G-Unit's They Talked About Jesus is the hottest track to come out in the past week somewhow. Buck ripped that shit.

CountBlackule said:
It's sad because I kinda agree with you.

Soul pls.

These Days ft. The Oh Noes or something, wasn't bad though.. Stigmata was cool too. Can't believe they put Dub Sac on that shit.

Soul pls stop smoking pls.
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These Days was good. Everything else is looking shaky. Soul even got a phoned in Q verse, that's a bad look considering their history of songs together.

peterb0y said:
Guys, heres my EP
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http://flightmuzik88.bandcamp.com/album/raw-silk

7 Tracks


Enjoy fammmmm

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Ima give this a spin.
 
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Cudder

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peterb0y said:
seriously, please don't man

I really really appreciate the thought but you listening is more than enough
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do you produce for people/do you get paid for this shit? because this project/your beats are way too good to just be cooking up in your spare time and uploading them for free.
 
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PhoenixDark

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Ka wasn't lying when he called this an appetizer to the meal. It's 5 tracks but one is an intro is a snippet of what might be a Metal Clergy track. Still it does its job and makes me even more hyped for his next full length project, be it the solo album or Metal Clergy. I know some people are concerned about Ka not producing the EP but have no fear. Preservation isn't some scrub, he has an impressive resume. And his beats on this are dope. Grimy, minimalist (although there is some bass). My favorite Ka beats tend to be those that are more laid back or smooth, like Jungle or 30 Piece of Silver, and Preservation is well within that vein from start to finish.
 
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Esch

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Hey peterboi, this EP is pretty cool. Reminds me of Clams Casino/ stuff from the A$AP camp with a little chiptunesy bits here and there. I don't much care for this style but it's well done.

edit: We Out is piff as hell
 
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PBY

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Mannnnnn yall are too fucking kind. Really appreciate the nice words, thanks for just listening at all. Seriously, it means a ton to me, cuz I do this for fun but it takes time and not a lot of people end up hearing my shit outside friends and such.

HRD, special shouts to you for that feedback, really helpful. And as an aside, Escha, I know u off that sad shit, but thanks for listening too man, really.
 
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Syph Medwes

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MOBBIN LIKE IM ZACH LOWE
-->good stuff all the way through 5/5

JODY
-->first 20 seconds nah but the rest is good 3.5/5

HYDROPONIC TEARS
-->good song, great title 5/5

DR PEPPER 10
-->i like the variety 4/5

SINEAD
-->standout. 5/5

WE OUT
-->crazy song with headphones 5/5

3AM
-->5/5


whole thing gives me TNGHT vibes (and metroid vibes haha)
hopefully that isn't considered a diss by you lol cause i mean it in a good way



also that ab-soul
my hype has deflated in a day lol
dat kendrick doe
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DominoKid

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interesting post on reddit

Based on the response to my last post about how radio works in today's climate I thought I'd give you guys another big nugget of information about how the game is today. I understand there are some exceptions to this rule, but I would be willing to bet that 97% of rappers have taken this approach to find success, and it's even more prevalent now.

There are 3 reasons why a rapper finds success, none of which have anything to do with what their material sounds like, sadly. It's the old cliche, Money, Power, and Respect. I'll try to break this down for you guys as best as I can. Keep in mind, rappers who only get a handle on one of these things usually become regional acts, or have a quick 15 minutes of fame and never really reach a level that you'll remember after 5 years or so. Rappers who have 2 of this things, can get to a certain level, where they are known, make money, but never taken on a very serious level. The rare rapper who gets all 3 down, becomes a super star.

Money: It's as true now as it has ever been. If you don't break bread, you can't win. It's that simple. There has never been a rapper ever in the history of the genre, or I'd argue in the history of popular music, that has been able to achieve any sort of level of fame without spending a great deal of money. This can be personal money, street money, label money, etc. Money is money in the end when it comes to this. We know a great deal of these situations involve drug money (see: Irv Gotti/Murder Inc), but what is this money exactly for?

The money is used to pay for radio, pay for placements on Mtv and BET, pay for travel to make promotional appearances, pay for verses and production from high level artists, and on and on and on. If you're trying to breakthrough and have no money to use, and nobody in your camp has money to use, you've already lost. This is the most fundamental part of trying to make it in the music business. You need to break bread to make bread, end of story.

Power: There are a handful of people in power in the rap game and music in general. There are managers and there are label execs. I'd guess there are not more than about 25 people who can actually move the needle for you in terms of flexing their power. With that power, also comes money. So if you take care of step 2, step 1 "Money" usually follows very closely behind, which is followed by a bill from the Power Players accountant.

A short list off the top of my head of powerful people who can make or break you: Lyor, Todd, Joie, Gee, Hop, Mark Pitts, Jay Brown, Dr Dre, Jimmy, etc. These, along with a few other people are the decision makers in hip hop. They make the machine work. Without one of them in your corner, you're going to be fighting an uphill battle. They are king makers. If they decide they want you to win, you almost always will win, or at least have a genuine shot at winning.

Respect: You need the established huge name artists of your time to respect you, shout you out, do records with you, and generally just cosign you. This is what I like to refer to as the Dick Sucking Effect. The general public are sheep. They follow. They have very little original thoughts and basically like what and who they are told to like. It's sad, it's true, it's always been like this.

This aspect has changed over time and the pool of cosigns that make any impact is much smaller. I'd argue that the only rapper cosigns that matter right now are: Drake, Jay, Ye, and Em. I'm referring to the cosign on the highest level. A proper, strong cosign from any of these 4 right now, today, has the greatest meaning you can get from any other rapper. There was a period of time where Khaled/Ross were in this group as well, but they diluted their brand so much with so many bad decisions that they have fallen into a 2nd or 3rd tear of cosign worth.

Now, seriously think about what I've laid out. If you research any current rapper that has any sort of stature, you will see that they almost all have 2 of these things going for them, especially when they first got hot.

I'll take the French example because it's the easiest to diagram off the top of my head. For anybody from the NY/NJ/CT area, we have been hearing about French foreverrrrrr. I remember French's Cocaine City DVD's, I remember his early Mac & Cheese tapes. He would put together some money and throw a song to flex to drop bombs on (which go for 5k a bomb last time I heard) and try to get a song moving in the city. He would get some traction regionally on Hot and Power, but that's about it. He linked up with Gaby (look him up if you don't know), Gaby put him with Puff, and now he has 2 pieces of the puzzle. He has the money and he has the respect. French started making a more serious move when they put out "Shot Caller". It did ok, he started to tour off of it, his quote went up, and now he was taken more seriously. Other rappers would work with him, that had stature, on a more regular basis and he became a solid 2nd tier act. Then, Drake did his verse on 'Pop That' and French completed the puzzle and for a small window of time actually became a legit force in the game, like it or not.

This is where you material quality comes into play. Frenchie sucks. I'm not afraid to be honest about that. He always has, always will. He is not a good rapper. His songs generally are awful. So even though for a short time he had all 3 things, he was unable to sustain and has fallen back to a second tier act.

The more interesting example of someone with all 3 things who somehow isn't a force of nature is J. Cole. He has and has had all 3 things since just about any of us have heard of him. Mark Pitts is his manager and has been for quite some time (before his deal). He has a Jay cosign. He has a huge resource pool provided by Roc Nation and Mark to tap into. It's a testament to how boring he is as a person that he isn't a mega star in rap yet. His material is good, he raps really well, but he's not relatable to a large audience. He's safe. He's very vanilla personality wise. He is who he is. If any of those 3 things didn't happen though, Cole would have been destined to be a mixtape rapper, and would have had a long career of touring for 1k-2k a night and breaking his ass to make a living.

Before I get bombarded with "you're stupid and fucking wrong" replies, these are just my experiences and observations from my years working rap. There is a rhyme and a reason to why things happen. Nobody just becomes a star on accident. There is a formula to how this business works, and there always will be. It's just that we, the fan, are not supposed to know how it works, because it breaks the illusion they have set in front of us. We are told and lead to believe that, we the consumer, have any sort of power in making someone famous or not. This is not the case, and it never will be. You know why Kendrick finally got that push most of you probably think he deserved? After having Drake in to work on Detox shortly after he met Wayne, Dre decided he wouldn't ever work and decided not to give him a deal. This is a true story btw that I have heard from several people. Dre had first crack at him, decided it was a loss leader, and let Wayne and them take him. The shame he felt for not seeing the next leader of the genre and letting him slip away, lead to him seeking out the 'next' one. Kendrick. Dre, talks to Jimmy, Jimmy tells Dre that he isn't giving him any more money until Detox is done. Dre decides to use the remaining Detox budget (I have heard anywhere from 10million to 25million) to make sure Kendrick becomes a legit star. The rest, again, is history.

Hope you guys enjoyed.
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Dude also made some posts detailing how radio works (Q/Oxymoron related) and how Macklemore went regional to national.
 
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enzo_gt

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Esch said:
Hey peterboi, this EP is pretty cool. Reminds me of Clams Casino/ stuff from the A$AP camp with a little chiptunesy bits here and there. I don't much care for this style but it's well done.

edit: We Out is piff as hell
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Yeah, I was about to say, it gave me Clams x Travi$ Scott vibes (when it comes to some of the samples/sounds).

Funky stuff. Me and my buddy were chilling with it in the background and it was great.
 
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Esch

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i love rap conspiracy theory bullshit but that doesn't seem farfetched at all. you can tell when rappers are or aren't getting that telegraphed industry push.
 
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Tokubetsu

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Syph Medwes said:
MOBBIN LIKE IM ZACH LOWE
-->good stuff all the way through 5/5

JODY
-->first 20 seconds nah but the rest is good 3.5/5

HYDROPONIC TEARS
-->good song, great title 5/5

DR PEPPER 10
-->i like the variety 4/5

SINEAD
-->standout. 5/5

WE OUT
-->crazy song with headphones 5/5

3AM
-->5/5


whole thing gives me TNGHT vibes (and metroid vibes haha)
hopefully that isn't considered a diss by you lol cause i mean it in a good way



also that ab-soul
my hype has deflated in a day lol
dat kendrick doe
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Jody is my favorite.
 
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enzo_gt

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I was with that article right up until the very end where Jimmy won't give him more money until Detox is done and Detox' budget being in the tens of millions (like it really costs anything for Dre currently).

I'm pretty sure years ago I've heard on Drake having sessions with Dre (and he's rapped about working on Detox before), but if Prince really went to Dre first, wow.

I also agree with the cosign list, but Em's cosigns are pretty much Diddy tier, and not top tier. Em hasn't pushed out anything golden since 50. Drake, Ye and Jay legitimately touch people's music once and give them careers on a consistent basis.
 
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Syph Medwes

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enzo_gt said:
I was with that article right up until the very end where Jimmy won't give him more money until Detox is done and Detox' budget being in the tens of millions (like it really costs anything for Dre currently).

I'm pretty sure years ago I've heard on Drake having sessions with Dre (and he's rapped about working on Detox before), but if Prince really went to Dre first, wow.

I also agree with the cosign list, but Em's cosigns are pretty much Diddy tier, and not top tier. Em hasn't pushed out anything golden since 50. Drake, Ye and Jay legitimately touch people's music once and give them careers on a consistent basis.
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Who has Em cosigned since 50 though? Cashis? And he shit the bed because the label didn't push him, not because of Em not talking about him.
Basically my point is Eminem's cosign is more of a question mark because he hasn't really bestowed it on anyone. (maybe Kendrick? But GKMC was already out)

I agree with Ye and Jay though. Maybe Drake. We'll see if PND "blows up" like Abel and I'll get back to you haha
 
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illadelph

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Listened to I Am... yesterday and Nastradamus today.

There's a lot of good material on these albums (especially the former) but Nas really fucks things up in multiple ways. Many people give him shit about the beats he spits over, and for the most part, I agree. Illmatic and It Was Written were flawless in their production, but the next two albums are all over the place.

What really got to me more than anything was Nas' lazy ass hooks. Take Favor for a Favor, for instance. Esco and Scarface deliver great verses, the beat is good, but that hook keeps me from playing that song consistently.

Thank goodness Jay went at him and he came back strong with Stillmatic, God's Son, and The Lost Tapes
 
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