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GAF-Hop |OTXI| Five Year Nation

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I actually think Disco might like that Gundam tape. Hard to tell though, we barely like any of the same shit.

Jay Electronica is the only thing that can save GAF-Hop now.

that 19 and thuggin song is pretty good, i'll check the tape out. i should have before based on cover art alone tbh.

gaf hop has become...something else these past few days. it's like every poster here has fully evolved into their own personalities. we're like in arkham asylum or some shit.
 
Rapper's Best Friend 3 is out there

Break The Bank without Schoolboy
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Trey

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Boys ain't biting like they used to in Poligaf, PD gotta slide in here with the foolishness.

I agree though, Ye in a weird place. I suppose he's happy doing whatever he wants - he doesn't have really anything to prove.
 

Complex Shadow

Cudi Lame™
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Full Ye at Made in America vid


Not new, but needed to be reposted after last nights slander.

Edit: Gonna go ahead and preempt PDs breath control comment.

buncha whitest people ive ever seen saying the n word...


saddnes of T-Pain

Even at the height of his celebrity, he never acted tough or particularly cool; his trademark accessories were a giant top hat and Oakley sunglasses that made him look like a snowboarder. Lately, T-Pain has been doing something even more unorthodox in hip-hop: telling sad stories, in public, about what it felt like when everyone, including some of his fellow-artists, started treating him like a joke.

hes in pain bruhs.
 

Courage

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I'm just gonna quote enzo da gawd from a previous thread if y'all really that oblivious to Kanye's impacT

To quote Just Blaze, "Kanye listens to music like we listen to samples."

- Hands down the most influential figure in hip-hop in the past 10 years (Flocka very distant second, maybe Drake considering his influence on the business end of hip-hop)
- Maintained a pretty significant consistency album-to-album that rivals legends, with comparatively pretty drastic changes in style album-to-album, which is what built his legacy
- Versatility in production and his work ethic on a whole other level, his collaborative approach is admired by the rest of the industry, one of the many ways he's broken down barriers in hip-hop from image to cross-genre collaboration
- Fragments of his styles from various eras of his career have birthed the careers of many contemporary rappers from image to content to production (i.e. Drake, CuDi, Big Sean, etc.) while on the flipside legends like Jay have been riding his coattails for the latter half of his career

Pretty much, the way he handled his own career is a perfect storm of things. When he broke out, he broke so many patterns in the genre the time, and kept it moving, making sure to do so again and again and never ruminate. He took a ton of risks throughout his career, and executed on all of them. The entire industry looks towards what Kanye will do next sonically, because history has shown it's hard to predict and usually comes with it's own wave of influence. When you combine this with how he carried his image and the strong influences and collaborations he has had outside of hip-hop, it's easy to understand why so many even dissimilar artists today will list Ye as one of their greatest influences and will drop whatever personal project they're working on right now if Kanye invites them to a session for one of his own projects.

His lyrical ability is also perpetually underrated because he's a producer-rapper and because of his chosen collaborative process, but it's no use arguing that anymore. He'd have Nas ghostwrite a verse and people would still say it sucks. WTT he ended up having more impressive verses than Jay throughout and that project didn't have additional writers either IIRC. Isolating technical lyrical ability as reasoning for the lack of his influence in hip-hop is not seeing the full picture and choosing to ignore everything else that makes a great artist and a great song. People like to use a similar argument against 2Pac, and he definitely had a much more well-rounded technical lyrical ability than Ye.

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Esch

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It's crazy how much credit people give to Kanye for the sound of the Roc and The Blueprint. You really gotta hand it to Just Blaze for being a class act, maybe if he was an attention seeker people would give him the dap he deserves.
 

codhand

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It's crazy how much credit people give to Kanye for the sound of the Roc and The Blueprint. You really gotta hand it to Just Blaze for being a class act, maybe if he was an attention seeker people would give him the dap he deserves.

also remember kanye was the biggest influence on dilla
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HiResDes

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PDs switch up and completely off base Ye post made my head hurt. Act like Yeezus wasn't the most interesting hip hop album released that year brehs. Act like Ye ain't carry Jays elderly ass through WTT. And though it was a bit of a mess act like MBDTF didn't have casual hip hop fans and hipsters going nuts like that shit was the new Sgt. pepper. What's the last truly good album Jay released. I honestly can't even remember and might be tempted to say The Black Album. Breh is more devoted to being a black Republican than he is to any artistic craft.
 

thabiz

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PDs switch up and completely off base Ye post made my head hurt. Act like Yeezus wasn't the most interesting hip hop album released that year brehs. Act like Ye ain't carry Jays elderly ass through WTT. And though it was a bit of a mess act like MBDTF didn't have casual hip hop fans and hipsters going nuts like that shit was the new Sgt. pepper. What's the last truly good album Jay released. I honestly can't even remember and might be tempted to say The Black Album. Breh is more devoted to being a black Republican than he is to any artistic craft.

i'm dying
 

Dereck

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PDs switch up and completely off base Ye post made my head hurt. Act like Yeezus wasn't the most interesting hip hop album released that year brehs. Act like Ye ain't carry Jays elderly ass through WTT. And though it was a bit of a mess act like MBDTF didn't have casual hip hop fans and hipsters going nuts like that shit was the new Sgt. pepper. What's the last truly good album Jay released. I honestly can't even remember and might be tempted to say The Black Album. Breh is more devoted to being a black Republican than he is to any artistic craft.
This reads like something your troll account on KTT would post.
 

Esch

Banned
these hurt feelings

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The Kanye/Jay coattail argument got exposed by Magna Carta, mediocre as it is. Jay and buzz sales went up after splitting from Kanye, and Kanye's went down. It's just the facts. The only people who really fucked with Yeezus are faffy fantano types, and everyone who's not submerged in a blogosphere knows this. MBTDF, might be different.

Either way you're comparing a guy on his sixth studio album to a guy on his twelfth. It's gonna be pretty funny watching y'all drop Kanye as his artistic focus continues to become a more and more cobbled pastiche of pitchforkmined shit.
 

Zeus Molecules

illegal immigrants are stealing our air
Action Bronson is the John Belushi of Rap. If you think he is a derivative of Ghost then he's the the Jim Belushi of rap....

Regardless we need to start a campaign for him to dress as yojimbo for halloween
 

HiResDes

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these hurt feelings

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The Kanye/Jay coattail argument got exposed by Magna Carta, mediocre as it is. Jay and buzz sales went up after splitting from Kanye, and Kanye's went down. It's just the facts. The only people who really fucked with Yeezus are faffy fantano types, and everyone who's not submerged in a blogosphere knows this. MBTDF, might be different.

Either way you're comparing a guy on his sixth studio album to a guy on his twelfth. It's gonna be pretty funny watching y'all drop Kanye as his artistic focus continues to become a more and more cobbled pastiche of pitchforkmined shit.
You on that pop GAF sales age shit and I'm talking from a quality perspective. Also it's weird seeing you equate yourself to "Fantano types," when he hated the album and you liked it. Lol
 

Esch

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You on that pop GAF sales age shit and I'm talking from a quality perspective. Also it's weird seeing you equate yourself to "Fantano types," when he hated the album and you liked it. Lol
Yeah, I just implicitly compared them from a quality perspective. BTW Jay-Z's 6th album was The Blueprint.

As for me and Yeezus, it's probably on the same level as MBDTF for me now, 6-7/10 range. Once you get past the enjoyable sonic diversity and bombast of it all its badly composed musically, wack lyrically, sonically incoherent etc etc.
 

HiResDes

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Yeah, I just implicitly compared them from a quality perspective. BTW Jay-Z's 6th album was The Blueprint.

As for me and Yeezus, it's probably on the same level as MBDTF for me now, 6-7/10 range. Once you get past the enjoyable sonic diversity and bombast of it all its badly composed musically, wack lyrically, sonically incoherent etc etc.
Esch quiet as kept you've gone dusty.
 
Actually the most interesting and best rap album of 2013 was The Night's Gambit. Acid Rap was also better than Yeezus, admit it.

Production wise Run The Jewels was better.
 

HiResDes

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Nah it seems like Each prefers something more understated than the bluntness of Kanye. It's why Lese Majesty is his AOTY.
Yeezus is too loud and noisy, and it reminds him of rap cars. He wants to tell Kanye to get off his lawn while he rests his eyes listening to abstract hip hop lullabies.


I didn't say Yeezus was best, but certainly the most interesting. Nights Gambit wasn't that large of a departure from Grief Pedigree, and thus while being nearly flawless it was a bit predictable.
 

Esch

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Esch quiet as kept you've gone dusty.
Like I said, y'all too emotionally attached. You're attached to this idea of Kanye as some sort of progressive artiste. His last original work where he truly made something cohesive was like, 808s?

I've always been this way tbh. Fact is i actually really like the textures and sounds on Yeezus a lot (hence why I'd still call it good), but at the same time I realize the way it's put together is distinctly lacking. It's got some cool parts, but it's ultimately a musical Frankenstein taste-validation piece. And the rapping aspect of it is another half step down. The actual quality of rapping on it is wack sauce. It was less noticeable on MBTDF when he inflated the album full of features from his betters.


Ad hominem is childish but if we're there.. If I've 'become' dusty then I'd contend you've lost the ability to enjoy anything without bombast or the appearance of novelty. You're desensitized, like the sonic equivalent of a man who watches too much porn.
 

Esch

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Yeezus is too loud and noisy, and it reminds him of rap cars. He wants to tell Kanye to get off his lawn while he rests his eyes listening to abstract hip hop lullabies
too loud and noisy? I'm gaf-hops only death metal advocate lmao. I've personally recommended you Gorguts, Demilich and several other noise and bombast heavy projects but you tend to prefer the simpler, melodic, more emotional atmospheric black metal.

Face it, y'all hero worship Kanye and you're in your feelings.

Also yeah I do have a fairly traditionalist attitude but let it be known that I'm one of the biggest advocates of drill music here. I told y'all to listen to Migos and Lil Herb ffs.

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Esch

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Lese Majesty isn't good because it's understated. It's great because the production is smart as fuck, building every track slowly in layers. It's great because the raps are abstract, spoken word but retain some bon mots as well as a sense of humor. It's dope because the tracks weave in and out of each other seamlessly yet distinctly, building off and transitioning nigh perfectly. Do I like the sparse nature of the whole thing? Sure. But that's not the reason why it's my AotY. The reason is because it's been put together so cohesively, and because it has that feel of 'density' any great piece of music does, that you can listen to it like 50+ times and still uncover new aspects of it.
 

Courage

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Lese Majesty isn't good because it's understated. It's great because the production is smart as fuck, building every track slowly in layers. It's great because the raps are abstract, spoken word but retain some bon mots as well as a sense of humor. It's dope because the tracks weave in and out of each other seamlessly yet distinctly, building off and transitioning nigh perfectly. Do I like the sparse nature of the whole thing? Sure. But that's not the reason why it's my AotY. The reason is because it's been put together so cohesively, and because it has that feel of 'density' any great piece of music does, that you can listen to it like 50+ times and still uncover new aspects of it.

I'm not trying to say you solely enjoyed it due to that. It was just an indicator that there's a clear sonic schism between something like the abrupt break in On Sight and the layered more subtle buildup of Solemn Swears -> Harem Aria, and I just notice you prefer the nature of the latter over the former.
 

HiResDes

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theres a problem lese majesty now?
I already discussed my problems with it with Esch a while ago. He made some good points , but I just can't extract the same magic that he can out of it as much as I'd love to. It's just too cerebral or subliminal for me I guess. It's probably why I couldn't love Russian Roulette as much others. Although I think Quelle Chris and Jeremiah kind of hit the same groove, their delivery is ultimately bolder and more surface level than the themes of the aforementioned
 

Esch

Banned
theres a problem lese majesty now?
Some people liked it, some didn't. I think more people here prefer Black Up.

Esch I figured out I love Nespithe a few days ago while playing through Oblivion again.
Definitely not an easy album to get into. The guttural vocals were a challenge even for me when I first heard it. Not because of it being abrasive, but just cause I couldn't take it seriously. Then there's the fact that the guitar work is buried under some very bass heavy to a fault mixing. It covers up (or demands greater listening to see) how smart and actually melodic the material is. Kind of like their predecessors Suffocation.
I'm not trying to say you solely enjoyed it due to that. It was just an indicator that there's a clear sonic schism between something like the abrupt break in On Sight and the layered more subtle buildup of Solemn Swears -> Harem Aria, and I just notice you prefer the nature of the latter over the former.
I just don't care for abrupt interludes man. If it's done a little more deftly then it's cool with me. And like I said there are still some super dope parts on it like Hold My Liquor.
 
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