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GAF Indie Game Development Thread 2: High Res Work for Low Res Pay
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JeffG
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There is no real way to convert. You can re-use the assets.
Then you need to learn what the base Unity does and how it works. Then take the sections of logic from your XNA app and implement them in appropriate places in Unity.
Try do embrace component based design; don't try to cram OO stuff into Unity when it's not needed.
jimmythepage
Member
Still working on my animation skills on spine, my friends tell me the walking is wrong but cannot explain me what is wrong about it =_=
I think that the problem is that you used exactly the same color pallete. Other than that I don't think there's a problem. Except for those clouds. They look too similar to the source.
This is how my penis plant ended up, to anyone who was in my caffiene fueled bizarre 3am stream last night. I started out cranked out of my head, and after an hour I was crashing hard.
So, yea, I did finish the penis after I got up.
What the actual fuck
This reminded me of a friend who used to do awesome drawings containing... small surprises
Figured as much :| Damnit, new challenge I suppose! Gotta take off the designer cap and help out with development now.
It looks as if his legs were dangling off a central pivot point. Maybe add a bone to warm the bottom of his cape as he walks? Say, off the left leg when it rises.
jimmythepage
Member
ahah amazing, I've deleted everything and started using that reference before your post, thanks tho!
Uhm, I see thanks!, for now I've rebooted the animation completely
The whole reason I cannot get into Unity.
Been working on a little WebGL/Threejs game myself to get familiar with JS. Hopefully I can show some results somewhere next week.
Jacksinthe
Banned
When the leg is directly beneath, that is the highest point as the body and legs form a straight line. Right now you have the highest point of the body bounce when both legs are extended, by default would be the lowest point of the body bounce.
Just my .02
MrNyarlathotep
Banned
You can, Twine was released under a super-permissive licence that basically lets you do whatever the hell you want with it for any purpose
Thanks for your feedback! It's true that the trailer dosen't show lot of maps, powerups or weapons, but we hope that the demo will be a good showcase of the game. I'll call you when we publish it
Haha I'm having a lot of fun answering e-mails of scammers trying to get some keys, they think they are sneaky but using an account named as [big_youtuber_name]@gmail.com is not enough if you can most of the time check the real e-mail in their channel. They usually dissappear when I ask them for a direct message using their supposed youtube accounts.
Meanwhile, I'm working in content for the first content patch, I hope I can get it ready soon:
Meanwhile, I'm working in content for the first content patch, I hope I can get it ready soon:
Jacksinthe
Banned
Use distribute()Haha I'm having a lot of fun answering e-mails of scammers trying to get some keys, they think they are sneaky but using an account named as [big_youtuber_name]@gmail.com is not enough if you can most of the time check the real e-mail in their channel. They usually dissappear when I ask them for a direct message using their supposed youtube accounts.
Meanwhile, I'm working in content for the first content patch, I hope I can get it ready soon:
Saves so much time.
Haha I'm having a lot of fun answering e-mails of scammers trying to get some keys, they think they are sneaky but using an account named as [big_youtuber_name]@gmail.com is not enough if you can most of the time check the real e-mail in their channel. They usually dissappear when I ask them for a direct message using their supposed youtube accounts.
Meanwhile, I'm working in content for the first content patch, I hope I can get it ready soon:
We used to ask youtubers to message us through their YouTube inbox. Problem solved
Jacksinthe
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Whoa. Had our first "inspired by" style fanart today
https://twitter.com/Basrin2015/status/619599199538184192
Super cool to see that happening to something you created. Brings a tear to my one good eye.
https://twitter.com/Basrin2015/status/619599199538184192
Super cool to see that happening to something you created. Brings a tear to my one good eye.
Whoa. Had our first "inspired by" style fanart today
https://twitter.com/Basrin2015/status/619599199538184192
Super cool to see that happening to something you created. Brings a tear to my one good eye.
Nice.
I was thinking about fanart.
Should it be encouraged/solicited in some way, or what? I've had a few but not a great many.
Jacksinthe
Banned
I say encourage it. You might even be able to leverage some sweet promo art with it. We will be holding contests in the future for this sort of thing to help with engagement and reach.
jimmythepage
Member
Okay, I put in my destructable barriers. I will still tweak some FX and stuff, but this is the jist of it:
http://www.gfycat.com/EasyPrestigiousAnura
The pause of the near arm when it comes forward is a bit jarring, I'd also look for a way to imply a bit of shoulder movement if possible. The legs look better than before.
http://www.gfycat.com/EasyPrestigiousAnura
The pause of the near arm when it comes forward is a bit jarring, I'd also look for a way to imply a bit of shoulder movement if possible. The legs look better than before.
jimmythepage
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looks great! at first it looked like it was deteriorating and I was "wow! that's some detai...oh lol"
Really? I tough it was nice and gave a bit of weight :/
Duly noted, I'll see if I can improve it
Sliding the shoulders back and forth a bit adds a lot of depth to an animation like this. Often you can give this illusion just by sliding the entire arm, but in particular, where it connects to the body.
liliththepale
Banned
Hey, that looks great! Good work, as usual.
It would look okay if the shoulder moved more during that moment. Best bet with shoulders on puppets like this is to bring them in on the turn away from the camera and out on the turn towards the camera.
Oh! I like your artstyle! and great improvement from old walk cycle to the new one.
*destructible
Thanks. I was trying to think the easiest way to do it, out loud, on stream -- This is what I ended up doing. Pretty simple -- Probably of little use to most of you, but maybe interesting to some who are curious about Stencyl stuff.
So whenever it changes sizes (animation frames), it calls that event to shake screen/spawn particles/etc...
Thanks. I was trying to think the easiest way to do it, out loud, on stream -- This is what I ended up doing. Pretty simple -- Probably of little use to most of you, but maybe interesting to some who are curious about Stencyl stuff.
So whenever it changes sizes (animation frames), it calls that event to shake screen/spawn particles/etc...
jimmythepage
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uhmm interesting, yeah I think I can tweak the shoulder a bit! thanks for the suggestion! You guys are helping a bunch!
Thanks! I'm trying to simulate soft bodies/meshes transformations the best I can (just have Spine Essential license I won) and it gives some limitations on the joints so some stuff can look a little odd
*destructible
Thanks. I was trying to think the easiest way to do it, out loud, on stream -- This is what I ended up doing. Pretty simple -- Probably of little use to most of you, but maybe interesting to some who are curious about Stencyl stuff.
So whenever it changes sizes (animation frames), it calls that event to shake screen/spawn particles/etc...
That interface reminds me of Alice Programming
What a fucking waste of time at the college.
Speaking of animation, any one have any thoughts on Spriter versus Spine? I have a copy of Spine from years back that I haven't really used, but I wonder if I should jump on Spriter in the Humble Bundle... just in case...
Not sure if that makes any sense.
Not sure how it'd look with two joints on his right arm, but try overlapping action. When the top part of his arm reaches the furthest back position, or slows down as it reaches that position and begins to move forward again, the lower arm should continue moving back for a couple frames. That is, the arm should straighten out some. Likewise, when it's near it's furthest forward position and starting to slow down to move backwards again, the arm should bend more, before straightening back.
Not sure if that makes any sense.
liliththepale
Banned
Am I wrong, or does Spriter not have a runtime? i.e. you have to export the animation strips rather than just the texture atlas and json file? I know that at least used to be the case, and was what made Spine more appealing to me.
Vigilant Gambit
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Restarted my old project from when I was unemployed late last year a few days ago. Here's where I'm at now (click for webm):
Mexen
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Hello Indie Game Dev GAF,
I'm looking to create a small puzzle based educational game for a school for my final year project. I only have 6 months to do it. Only languages I know are Java and C++ but I'm ever willing to learn whatever I need to learn (with no prior experience, I learned Android development for my 3rd year project and presented an app)
Was wondering if the vets of the biz could recommend/tell me
1. The best but easiest tools to learn within a couple of months so I can focus on prototypes and final release version by January.
2. What languages I'll need to learn + skills eg animation (recommend tools) or
3. If pre-rendered sprite animations come with those tools or I'll need to create them.
I'm looking to create a small puzzle based educational game for a school for my final year project. I only have 6 months to do it. Only languages I know are Java and C++ but I'm ever willing to learn whatever I need to learn (with no prior experience, I learned Android development for my 3rd year project and presented an app)
Was wondering if the vets of the biz could recommend/tell me
1. The best but easiest tools to learn within a couple of months so I can focus on prototypes and final release version by January.
2. What languages I'll need to learn + skills eg animation (recommend tools) or
3. If pre-rendered sprite animations come with those tools or I'll need to create them.
Candescence
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Spriter runtime support is a bit mixed for certain things, what with being younger than Spine, but I believe it does have native C2 and Unity support, the latter to some degree at least. That being said, the dev is currently working on rectifying this in a way that'll make creating runtime support for specific engines a lot easier.
On the flipside, though, Spine lacks any native C2 support, so there's that.
BrokenIcarus
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Thanks. I was trying to think the easiest way to do it, out loud, on stream -- This is what I ended up doing. Pretty simple -- Probably of little use to most of you, but maybe interesting to some who are curious about Stencyl stuff.
So whenever it changes sizes (animation frames), it calls that event to shake screen/spawn particles/etc...
Damn, Stencyl looks exactly like Scratch! My brother used to play around with that, before he started programming.
been working on sound effects tonight. still some missing ones, but I like to at least have afew to help me get a feel for things.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0hMWqAReRg
chrnkkk is my favorite.
yep, it's more advanced than scratch, (I think) but it was based on it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0hMWqAReRg
chrnkkk is my favorite.
yep, it's more advanced than scratch, (I think) but it was based on it.
Doesn't Spriter predate Spine? Spine just seems older because of how much further along they are.
So jelly.
Been so long since I had anything new to show. And after that it's probably going to be quite a while again!
Gfycat version here, as usual: http://gfycat.com/ReliableFearlessHousefly
Also, unrelated but I have just done some fan animation for Indivisible, I'll post it here since we were on the topic of walk cycles just above. That, and I'm just itching to start working on a 2D platformer with that kind of animation, now, so I need to vent it however I can :-D
Sound design is quite difficult to get right, I find. I like that yours is overally pretty subdued, making for a quiet atmosphere, goes pretty well with the visuals.
I've been adding SFX to Honey in the beginning, but lately I've just been rushing through scenes, and I'm planning to go back over everything to sound it all at once... but I wonder if that's the best plan, or if I should tackle it as I go, making for slower individual scene progress, but no need to go back eventually. Any experience in the process? Might going back to sound everything in one go cause potential unforeseen problems/could cause everything to break? Do y'all usually sound your stuff as you go?
Gfycat version here, as usual: http://gfycat.com/ReliableFearlessHousefly
Also, unrelated but I have just done some fan animation for Indivisible, I'll post it here since we were on the topic of walk cycles just above. That, and I'm just itching to start working on a 2D platformer with that kind of animation, now, so I need to vent it however I can :-D
Sound design is quite difficult to get right, I find. I like that yours is overally pretty subdued, making for a quiet atmosphere, goes pretty well with the visuals.
I've been adding SFX to Honey in the beginning, but lately I've just been rushing through scenes, and I'm planning to go back over everything to sound it all at once... but I wonder if that's the best plan, or if I should tackle it as I go, making for slower individual scene progress, but no need to go back eventually. Any experience in the process? Might going back to sound everything in one go cause potential unforeseen problems/could cause everything to break? Do y'all usually sound your stuff as you go?
jimmythepage
Member
I think I understood, It's what I tried to do adjusting the shoulders and the forearm a bit.
Most of the people think they are almost the same, but the meshes transformation and better runtimes gives Spine the lead, while Spriter has those features coming is definitely cheaper and I think Spine will have to do a price cut once Spriter reach that.
Dude I love it. Made me think of https://youtu.be/QXiAzEZcxRA?t=37 for some reason. Love axes.
Also reminds me vaguely of a native american influenced design I scribbled out some time ago.
I'm dying, dying, DYING to make a melee based action RPG platformer. XD
jimmythepage
Member
I'm going to freak out playing at night if one of those little green things comes out of a peaceful area.
Pretty cool! The design and animation scream "STRENGHT!"
There's more creepy/scary stuff I haven't shown yet.
I'll try and make sure one crawls out of a place you're not expecting.
MrNyarlathotep
Banned
If you're already familiar with Android and Java development, and you are making a small puzzle game, you could do a lot worse than just use Android or Java to make the game with something like libGDX.
In terms of asset creation, given its for an educational non-profit project and the time frame involved, unless you have a specific desire to branch your skillset out into the various different fields that are involved in asset creation, I would strongly suggest making use of resources like OpenGameArt.
EDIT:
Actually, the current Humble Game Maker Bundle top tier payment includes AppGameKit which is a C++ supporting IDE, as well as spriter pro which you could use directly with something like Kenneys Modular Character Pack
The Spriter versus Spine backstory is sort of amusing and pretty convoluted, but tl;dr and IIRC boils down to spriter being announced as a kickstarter, looking great and getting backed, taking forever to actually get developed and Spine being made by people sick of waiting for Spriter to appear.
So conceptually Spriter is older, but in release date terms Spine was on the market first.
That looks fantastic, she looks so driven and strong; great design!
As for SFX, we've pretty much done them as we go, but then again one of guys is focusing just on sound and vfx. It's only been a problem with our outside VOs as we'd like to iterate on sounds and add some more lines, but it's a pain to organize now. We couldn't really have left it this far into the development as we still needed to try out the VO tech and how it fit the game, but aside from some announcer stuff we will probably have to make do with what have.
Hah. Was looking at some of my old melee game sketch ideas from a while ago. I had a bloodborne type gun and sword idea before Bloodborne was announced.
I've actually done a lot of little sketches and tests for a melee game over time. It's been on my mind for a while.
This is basically what I do -- Get functioning sound effects in as I go, at least as much as I can, then I'll have less work to do later in the polishing phase, plus the sound effects I can put in now sort of set the pace and standard to make sure I get the feel right while the work on the area is fresh.
I've actually done a lot of little sketches and tests for a melee game over time. It's been on my mind for a while.
This is basically what I do -- Get functioning sound effects in as I go, at least as much as I can, then I'll have less work to do later in the polishing phase, plus the sound effects I can put in now sort of set the pace and standard to make sure I get the feel right while the work on the area is fresh.
Candescence
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Apparently, Spriter is programmed by one dude who may not have all that much time to dedicate to it, whereas Spine has more people working on that, which would explain a lot.
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