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Is this thread a bit less serious than the Michael Moore one?

I was sent this image, and although it's pretty bad, it made me laugh.

 

[xsarien]

It's an immature response to Moore making a portrait Bush using pictures of dead soldiers in Iraq. It only proves that in lieu of an actual debate, people who still (inexplicably) support the war can't argue with anything other than cheap, personal attacks.

 

[Alcibiades]

how about donating some of that to the homeless Moore? the ones you supposedly care about...

Thing is, Fahrenheit 9/11 is in many ways is immaturely condescending, because it talks down to the audience with distortions in hopes that images and editing will be enough to overcome whatever facts and context may eventually be known...

anybody can bomb-throw paranoia and conspiracy theories, a mature look at the grievances against Bush doesn't need to be fair or even-handed, but it a mature movie wouldn't distort to make it's points...

 

[Dilbert]

how about donating some of that to the homeless Moore? the ones you supposedly care about...

How about you sign up to serve in Iraq?

anybody can bomb-throw paranoia and conspiracy theories.

You mean, like, the way Bush, Cheney, and friends constantly pound the drumbeat of the terrorist threat and actively encourage people to believe -- mistakenly -- that Iraq had something to do with 9/11?

 

[Triumph]

Efralope, can you just stop? You make my ears bleed.

 

[Alcibiades]

How about you sign up to serve in Iraq?

If I do ever sign up, I think it's up to the military to decide where to send units...

that said, I wasn't even for the war, and my comment was meant to poke fun at Moore's elitism and not his stance on the war...

You mean, like, the way Bush, Cheney, and friends constantly pound the drumbeat of the terrorist threat and actively encourage people to believe -- mistakenly -- that Iraq had something to do with 9/11?

I've never heard Cheney or Bush argue that Saddam had something to do with 9/11...

oh that's right, "There is no threat, there is no terrorist thread"... it's all paranoia...

Other than the reported cases about how Islamic cells were targeting US bridges, financial buildings, landmarks, I guess there's no threat...

just because they've failed more recently or haven't executed an attack doesn't mean there is no threat...

 

[Alcibiades]

How about you sign up to serve in Iraq?

If I do ever sign up, I think it's up to the military to decide where to send units...

that said, I wasn't even for the war, and my comment was meant to poke fun at Moore's elitism and not his stance on the war...

You mean, like, the way Bush, Cheney, and friends constantly pound the drumbeat of the terrorist threat and actively encourage people to believe -- mistakenly -- that Iraq had something to do with 9/11?

I've never heard Cheney or Bush argue that Saddam had something to do with 9/11...

oh that's right, "There is no threat, there is no terrorist thread"... it's all paranoia...

Other than the reported cases about how Islamic cells were targeting US bridges, financial buildings, landmarks, I guess there's no threat...

just because they've failed more recently or haven't executed an attack doesn't mean there is no threat...

 

[xsarien]

If I do ever sign up, I think it's up to the military to decide where to send units...

Where the hell do you think they're going to send you, Hawaii?

You mean, like, the way Bush, Cheney, and friends constantly pound the drumbeat of the terrorist threat and actively encourage people to believe -- mistakenly -- that Iraq had something to do with 9/11?

I've never heard Cheney or Bush argue that Saddam had something to do with 9/11...

Then apparently you need new news sources, because there are myriad quotes from nearly everyone in the administration stating that Iraq had some intangible (but we can prove it, honest!) connection to Al-Qaeda. Cheney went as far to say - directly into an MSNBC camera - that the 9/11 commission was wrong, and that yes, he probably had evidence they didn't have.

When the commission asked for said evidence, Cheney said "No."

oh that's right, "There is no threat, there is no terrorist thread"... it's all paranoia...

On that point, Moore is correct. To a degree. Our borders aren't nearly as easily crossed as they were prior to 9/11, another attack on that scale will require either circumventing legal immigration security, or having U.S. citizens join Al-Qaeda and do it for them. (This, of course, doesn't apply to AQ members who are already here.) It's the specter of fear that keeps propagating via the administration. The fear that something might happen right next door to you. It really *is* government-induced paranoia, at a scale not seen since the 50s when everyone was afraid of Communists.

Other than the reported cases about how Islamic cells were targeting US bridges, financial buildings, landmarks, I guess there's no threat...

Maybe it's the cynic in me, which is only encouraged by the ridiculous color-coded alert system, but I'm calling bunk on a lot of those. I have zero faith in the government to be genuine regarding the war on terror, simply because from Tenet's on mouth (and I'm paraphrasing): "The public only hears about [or sees] our failures, they never hear about our victories." (Regarding the CIA's fight against terrorists.) Even the recent revelation of financial targets in Manhattan earlier this year proved to be quite old, just never found until now.

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

if you want to see why kerry would have been a good president, read the rolling stone interview.

 

[shoplifter]

Machine Error Gives Bush Extra Ohio Votes

11 minutes ago

By JOHN McCARTHY, Associated Press Writer

COLUMBUS, Ohio - An error with an electronic voting system gave President Bush (news - web sites) 3,893 extra votes in suburban Columbus, elections officials said.

Franklin County's unofficial results had Bush receiving 4,258 votes to Democrat John Kerry (news - web sites)'s 260 votes in a precinct in Gahanna.
Records show only 638 voters cast ballots in that precinct. Bush's total should have been recorded as 365.

Bush won the state by more than 136,000 votes, according to unofficial results, and Kerry conceded the election on Wednesday after saying that 155,000 provisional ballots yet to be counted in Ohio would not change the result.

Deducting the erroneous Bush votes from his total could not change the election's outcome, and there were no signs of other errors in Ohio's electronic machines, said Carlo LoParo, spokesman for Ohio Secretary of State Kenneth Blackwell.

Franklin is the only Ohio county to use Danaher Controls Inc.'s ELECTronic 1242, an older-style touchscreen voting system. Danaher did not immediately return a message for comment.

Sean Greene, research director with the nonpartisan Election Reform Information Project, said that while the glitch appeared minor "that could change if more of these stories start coming out."

In one North Carolina county, more than 4,500 votes were lost in this election because officials mistakenly believed a computer that stored ballots electronically could hold more data than it did.

And in San Francisco, a malfunction with custom voting software could delay efforts to declare the winners of four races for county supervisor.

In the Ohio precinct in question, the votes are recorded to eight memory locations, including a removable cartridge, according to Verified Voting Foundation, an e-voting watchdog group. After voting ends, the cartridge is either transported to a tabulation facility or its data sent via modem.

Kimball Brace, president of the consulting firm Election Data Services, said it's possible the fault lies with the software that tallies the votes from individual cartridges rather than the machines or the cartridges themselves.

Either way, he said, such tallying software ought to have a way to ensure that the totals don't exceed the number of voters.

County officials did not return calls seeking details.

HRM...not saying that it would change the election, but this is just another reason to not use eVoting.

 

[nathkenn]

there's no problem with eVoting really, though much more time should have been spent developing and perfecting it

 

[shoplifter]

Yeah, I should have noted that there actually IS one good eVoting system. It has a paper trail, and you can call a number to verify your vote. The guy that invented it is dead though.

 

[nathkenn]

but those pesky paper trails make it harder to get a fundy moron elected president

 

[Phoenix]

Is this thread a bit less serious than the Michael Moore one?

I was sent this image, and although it's pretty bad, it made me laugh.

Yeah... made me laugh to.

 

[Doc Holliday]

http://slate.msn.com/id/2109218/

hehe more hick bashing

Here is how ignorance works: First, they put the fear of God into you—if you don't believe in the literal word of the Bible, you will burn in hell. Of course, the literal word of the Bible is tremendously contradictory, and so you must abdicate all critical thinking, and accept a simple but logical system of belief that is dangerous to question. A corollary to this point is that they make sure you understand that Satan resides in the toils and snares of complex thought and so it is best not try it.

 

[nathkenn]

George Carlin said it perfectly in his ten commandments

 

[evil solrac v3.0]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=5&u=/ap/20041105/ap_on_re_us/voting_report


dont know if this has been posted yet....

 

[Acrylamid]

 

[Alcibiades]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=5&u=/ap/20041105/ap_on_re_us/voting_report


dont know if this has been posted yet....

probably nothing compared to what has been reported on talk radio and compiled by Republicans coming from the other side...

 

[nathkenn]

that article was about a non-partisan group....

 

[firex]

efralope, I have one question for you: Who dresses you in the morning? it's obvious you don't have the level of brain functions capable of doing such a simple task yourself.

 

[Diablos]

Amen to that, Trent.

Does anyone else here find it a bit disturbing that Bush said he would work to get our respect, and THEN a day or two later state:

"When you win," he told reporters, "there is a feeling that the people have spoken and embraced your point of view, and that's what I intend to tell the Congress, that I made it clear what I intend to do as president . . . and the people made it clear what they wanted, now let's work together."

Translation: "I won, if you want to work together, agree with my party; you'll have to give into us, we won't give into anything you want to do. Now let's get busy!"

 

[videogamer]

That's why some Republican once compared bipartisanship to date-rape.

 

[Outdoor Miner]

Amen to that, Trent.

Does anyone else here find it a bit disturbing that Bush said he would work to get our respect, and THEN a day or two later state:



Translation: "I won, if you want to work together, agree with my party; you'll have to give into us, we won't give into anything you want to do. Now let's get busy!"

Yeah, it was incredibly disappointing to see that today (I even made a thread for that news). The sad part is I gave Bush my ear during his acceptance speech, and for one day felt a little better that maybe now that he didn't have to worry about re-election, he could mend major wounds. That maybe has was sincere about "reaching across the aisle".

Bullshit, eh?

That feeling lasted an entire 24 hours. Thanks Bush, go back now to running the country for your base and not all Americans.

 

[Diablos]

Yeah, it was incredibly disappointing to see that today (I even made a thread for that news). The sad part is I gave Bush my ear during his acceptance speech, and for one day felt a little better that maybe now that he didn't have to worry about re-election, he could mend major wounds. That maybe has was sincere about "reaching across the aisle".

Bullshit, eh?

That feeling lasted an entire 24 hours. Thanks Bush, go back now to running the country for your base and not all Americans.

I guess we really shouldn't be surprised... after I heard that I got really upset, though.
Yet another Bush "flip flop." Soon enough his will outweigh Kerry's most popular ones.

 

[Bizarro Sun Yat-sen]

this will actually help our economy...

why do you think governments in China and Japan have controls on their currencies? If they didn't, they'd surge against the dollar and exports would dwindle...

China is a developing country and Japan's is a deflationary economy. The US economic situation is nothing like theirs.

 

[Diablos]

http://www.rumorsontheinternets.com/

:lol

It has changed!

 

[Ripclawe]

http://www.aspendailynews.com/Search_Articles/view_search_article.cfm?OrderNumber=9156

When Kerry visited Aspen last June for a fund-raiser, he brought three hardcover copies of "Fear and Loathing: On the Campaign Trail '72" to have them autographed. Thompson obliged and struck a friendship with Kerry, serving as his unofficial Aspen tour guide, meeting the candidate on a rain-soaked tarmac at Sardy Field and riding in a Secret Service procession up Red Mountain, showing Kerry the sights and conferring with him on national affairs.

Now, five months later, Kerry has met the same fate as McGovern.

"I feel like somebody's died," Thompson lamented as the sun was preparing to rise early Wednesday morning. "I'm just not sure who it was."

He deemed the election "another failure of the youth vote."

"Yeah, we rocked the vote all right. Those little bastards betrayed us again."

 

[Diablos]

54% were Democratic voters (youth vote). If only more people my age got off of their lazy butts and went to the polls, Bush would've been owned.

 

[Outlaw Pro Mod]

 

[xsarien]

http://www.aspendailynews.com/Search_Articles/view_search_article.cfm?OrderNumber=9156

Yes, The Good Doctor said that. What's your point?

Blue urban areas, red rural areas. What else is new?

 

[Kuroyume]

 

[gofreak]

The whole situation that seems to be emerging in the US makes me nauseous. I guess it's been brewing for a while, but still. I'm not sure if I should really care all that much any more. I'm not an American, I don't live in the US, I don't have any immediate plans to do so (certainly not after last week). So I'm wondering if I should just give up on it, stop worrying, and cocoon myself in my own relatively comfortable reality.

 

[Ripclawe]

http://www.newsday.com/news/local/n...,2157220,print.story?coll=ny-nynews-headlines

Distraught over the re-election of President George W. Bush, a Georgia man traveled to New York City, went to Ground Zero and killed himself with a shotgun blast, police said yesterday.

The suicide victim, Andrew Veal, 25, was discovered just before 8 a.m. yesterday when a worker for the Millennium Hotel looking at Ground Zero from an upper floor saw a man lying atop the concrete structure through which the 1 and 9 subway lines run.

The worker, thinking the man was sleeping, alerted colleagues and the Port Authority police were notified.

But when they got to Veal's body, they realized he had killed himself with a shot to the head from a .12-gauge shotgun.

No suicide note was found, but according to a Port Authority police source, family members said Veal, a registered Democrat, was despondent over Bush's defeat of Sen. John Kerry. A second source said Veal, who lived in Athens, Ga., and worked for the University of Georgia, was also adamantly opposed to the war in Iraq.

 

[sc0la]

That drive must have been surreal. =/