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[Ovek]

I've done a six month job in the Shetlands over winter. It's an amazing, beautiful and most peaceful places I have ever lived even if it was for a relatively short time.

Winter days are long and dark it also gets very, very cold and rains a lot with some brutal strong winds, it's a island with no trees so strong wind has no natural "brake" so you feel it... all of it.

It's worst feature the internet was slow (like real slow) and unreliable, holy shit did it make my job harder.

 

[JordanN]

So what is the current situation with Northern Ireland?

Do North Irish consider themselves British or do they want to reunite with the rest of Ireland?

I'm not actually against moving to Belfest, just curious if the situation will remain peaceful in the future?

 

[The Pleasure]

If I can get a Scottish Waifu, sure.

Redheads in Canada are practically non-existent.

Watch out. They'll throw a bottle of Guinness at you if you tell them ol nessy is the gator Florida flushed and it somehow ended up there.

 

[JordanN]

Watch out. They'll throw a bottle of Guinness at you if you tell them ol nessy is the gator Florida flushed and it somehow ended up there.

Sounds hot. I want my own Queen Boudica and we can raise warrior children together.

 

[The Pleasure]

Sounds hot. I want my own Queen Boudica and we can raise warrior children together.

I dunno. You're canadian. Your people are pretty polite. Your warrior children will ask for permission to gut people. What if they say no?

 

[JordanN]

I dunno. You're canadian. Your people are pretty polite. Your warrior children will ask for permission to gut people. What if they say no?

Take away their dessert privileges.

 

[O-N-E]

Japan has a declining population and needs productive immigrants.

 

[lock2k]

Are you from darn sarfff?

The rest of this post is on point, OP.

Live in the countryside, there's loads of it and commuting from country to city is the same as commuting from outer city to inner city.

Scotland and Wales are beautiful places for the countryside, just set your expectations to 0 when it comes to women. You come from the land of Avril Lavigne. Scotlands export singer was Susan Boyle.... That comparison works for all Scottish women

Dude, please.

Scottland exported the hottest singer of the 90s. Shirley Manson squashes Avril Labitch like a bug with her eyes.

 

[JordanN]

Japan has a declining population and needs productive immigrants.

They have people living in capsule hotels or their bodies pressed up against walls.

Less people will actually mean more room to actually start a family and not just wageslave at their jobs all day just to return to a tiny box.

 

[O-N-E]

They have people living in capsule hotels or their bodies pressed up against walls.

Less people will actually mean more room to actually start a family and not just wageslave at their jobs all day just to return to a tiny box.

I feel like it's more of a cultural problem, though.

If you look hard enough, you could probably find a cool place to work. Or if you're freelancing from home, it could be a chill place to live.

 

[GodofWhimsy]

As a Scottish person I'd recommend Newcastle. You get the best of both Scotland and England. The people are great and aren't pompous, it's one of the cheaper cities I've lived in, lots of choices for shopping, very enthusiastic sports fans, great for nights out, and the women are actually attractive IMO.

Far northern England is a whole different ball game to that of the south. The people are far more humble, hearty, and passionate. Plus they actually tolerated my Scottish arse because most of them don't even consider themselves English, but "Geordie". Truly a cool place to live. I actually intend on moving back there soon.

 

[Dr.Guru of Peru]

Reading your posts, this sounds like a terrible idea. Have you ever been? Can you even afford to live in the UK? It's tremendously expensive. If this is just another way for you to get away from coloured people, you're also going to be terribly disappointed. You'd be much better off living in a small town in Canada.

Perhaps try moving out and living on your own before you try moving to a different country.

 

[Furlong]

If you come here remember to bring your own food. We can't produce enough to feed everyone, and as the population increases more and more farmland gets concreted over every year.

 

[JordanN]

Reading your posts, this sounds like a terrible idea. Have you ever been? Can you even afford to live in the UK?

I find this statement really hypocritical.

We have millions of people coming into Western countries illegally and with no skills. Why the hell is it now when someone who has a job or education is being told "nooooo. You can't leave, you have to stay."?

Seems like the message I'm getting is the UK shouldn't actually take in people who hold similar cultural values and can contribute to society?

Like I said, I'm not even interested in money. Just the fact I can read a list about Scotland inventing almost every groundbreaking invention of modern relevance is enough to convince me there's something about the Islands worth dying for.

I don't get the same treatment in Canada. Or that our modern ideals doesn't focus on putting us on the map. Maybe back in the 1940s it was true, when Canadian scientists where working on the nuclear bomb. But today our priorities is tearing down our first Prime Minister.

Nope, I'm not interested in this backwardness anymore.

 

[JordanN]

If you come here remember to bring your own food. We can't produce enough to feed everyone, and as the population increases more and more farmland gets concreted over every year.

I'm aware of this but I would argue where I live it's accelerating faster.

There was tons of farm land growing up. Now you barely find any as they've all been sold and are being used to build townhouses.

 

[Dr.Guru of Peru]

I find this statement really hypocritical.

We have millions of people coming into Western countries illegally and with no skills. Why the hell is it now when someone who has a job or education is being told "nooooo. You can't leave, you have to stay."?

Seems like the message I'm getting is the UK shouldn't actually take in people who hold similar cultural values and can contribute to society?

Like I said, I'm not even interested in money. Just the fact I can read a list about Scotland inventing almost every groundbreaking invention of modern relevance is enough to convince me there's something about the Islands worth dying for.

I don't get the same treatment in Canada. Or that our modern ideals doesn't focus on putting us on the map. Maybe back in the 1940s it was true, when Canadian scientists where working on the nuclear bomb. But today our priorities is tearing down our first Prime Minister.

Nope, I'm not interested in this backwardness anymore.

You're all over the place. Are you projecting on me or something? You're the one that has an issue with immigrants, so the hypocrisy of you wanting to immigrate is all yours.

All I'm saying is moving to another more expensive country with no job prospects and no plan just for some vapid affinity for its culture is a bad idea. Your quality of life is unlikely to improve in the U.K., and your sense of belonging isn't going to improve when you're stuck in a strange land with no friends and no money. If your life is in a rut, there are plenty of places within Canada you can try. You're not going to escape SJW, leftists, multiculturalism and all the other stuff you like to complain about by going to the UK of all places. You'll be getting all of that, but with higher taxes, more expensive goods, lower pay, more government surveillance, and more crowding. But hey, you only live once. Feel free to do what you want. Maybe this will give you some much needed perspective in life.

 

[JordanN]

You're all over the place. Are you projecting on me or something? You're the one that has an issue with immigrants, so the hypocrisy of you wanting to immigrate is all yours.

I take issue with people who break the law and dictate that national sovereignty cannot exist.

Once again, it was you and another Gaffer recently where this message flies over your head. But I believe it's deliberate why you write these things because it's just another way of avoiding the truth.

All I'm saying is moving to another more expensive country

How many times do I have to tell you this? Money is the least motivating factor in immigrating. Like, what were you expecting? For everyone to only move to Panama and live in a shack for dirt cheap?
But no, you don't do this. Educated people (who already have a control over their finances) moving is the the boiling point for you. No man, my patience for this nonsense is running out.

You're not going to escape SJW, leftists, multiculturalism and all the other stuff you like to complain about by going to the UK of all places.

Why not? Did Justin Trudeau get elected in the UK? Did the UK completely renounce its nationality and all it's history with it (which goes back thousands of years)?

The SJW nutters in the UK are the least of my problems. What I care about is having a government and a people who can wake up and throw this crap in the garbage.

For multiple reasons, this is impossible to do in Canada. The country is going in its own weird and culture-less direction, and if Canadians continue to vote for it. Fine. But I want off this roller-coaster and to head to another country where I have two options:
1. Educate the population and warn them about the fate I just left.
2. The people are already woke and I do everything in my power to defend their culture.

Once again, don't tell me about the "costs". It didn't stop the millions of other people who snuck inside Western countries, why must it stop someone like me who has benevolent ties? Is there something you're scared of?

 

[JordanN]

with no job prospects and no plan just for some vapid affinity for its culture is a bad idea.

This is double post but I want to address this.

There is nothing vapid about culture. We spend 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, completely immersed in it. As long as you are trapped within a border, you have no choice but to live with the culture that exists on the land.

This impacts everything. Your wealth, your hobbies, your job, your safety, your technology, your retirement, your food. It is by far the most important thing relative to actually being alive.

Now as someone who personally has an affinity for science and grand achievements, the choice between living in a country that only worships Consumerism/GDP versus living in a country whose ancestors where already building steam engines that most people on earth would have thought was alien-tech, then I see no reason to stay where I am.

The whole Consumerism/GDP culture to me is just setting the country on a path to irrelevance. We already have examples of other countries like this and nobody cares about them except for the uber rich who are only there to exploit it.

But money can't actually buy scientists and innovators who always dream up of the next big thing no one else saw coming. That's a kind of culture I rather support and be around for.

 

[Thing on a Spring]

So what is the current situation with Northern Ireland?

Do North Irish consider themselves British or do they want to reunite with the rest of Ireland?

I'm not actually against moving to Belfest, just curious if the situation will remain peaceful in the future?

Depends who you talk to really, Catholics would say Irish, protestants, British. Everything is pretty peaceful around these parts nowadays. We still have the wingnuts on both sides of the religious divide that can't let things go but it's nowhere near as bad as it was before the good Friday agreement. Most people are happy to get on with their lives and not define themselves by the religion they were born into.

The ruling parties in Stormant are an embarrassment and get on like like kids in nursery school and some of them are legitimately borderline retarded (Sammy Wilson and Ian Paisley Junior, I'm looking at you) but if you block out politics, you'll have a much more stress free life here.

The country is beautiful and if you're in Belfast, you have good access to the Republic, about 40 min drive down the carriageway will get you to the border where you can spend weeks just driving about, sightseeing, stopping off in cool little towns, walking trails, climbing mountains etc.

It's a bit cheaper to live here than England, probably on par with Scotland and Wales. You're pretty much guaranteed beautiful surroundings in the UK outside of big cities. Also, for a city, Belfast is tiny.

The people here are friendly for the most part and enjoy a good laugh and a piss take.

I'd recommend a short visit before committing to whichever location you eventually choose.

 

[DKehoe]

What would you plan on doing career wise? If you want to live somewhere like the Shetlands then that’s going to limit things since it’s pretty remote. Most opportunities are going to be in the central belt, the most densely populated part of the country that stretches between Glasgow and Edinburgh, the two largest cities.

 

[JordanN]

What would you plan on doing career wise? If you want to live somewhere like the Shetlands then that’s going to limit things since it’s pretty remote. Most opportunities are going to be in the central belt, the most densely populated part of the country that stretches between Glasgow and Edinburgh, the two largest cities.

3D Artist, mostly to do with Architectural Visualization.

I also have a bit of Game Dev knowledge and Rockstar North is located in Edinburgh. Although game industry is not really a field I have pursued in 4 years, but I still dabble in it from time to time.

 

[DKehoe]

3D Artist, mostly to do with Architectural Visualization.

I also have a bit of Game Dev knowledge and Rockstar North is located in Edinburgh. Although game industry is not really a field I have pursued in 4 years.

There’s a decent game dev scene in Dundee too. So you might want to look into that.

 

[JimiNutz]

This is double post but I want to address this.

There is nothing vapid about culture. We spend 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, completely immersed in it. As long as you are trapped within a border, you have no choice but to live with the culture that exists on the land.

This impacts everything. Your wealth, your hobbies, your job, your safety, your technology, your retirement, your food. It is by far the most important thing relative to actually being alive.

Now as someone who personally has an affinity for science and grand achievements, the choice between living in a country that only worships Consumerism/GDP versus living in a country whose ancestors where already building steam engines that most people on earth would have thought was alien-tech, then I see no reason to stay where I am.

The whole Consumerism/GDP culture to me is just setting the country on a path to irrelevance. We already have examples of other countries like this and nobody cares about them except for the uber rich who are only there to exploit it.

But money can't actually buy scientists and innovators who always dream up of the next big thing no one else saw coming. That's a kind of culture I rather support and be around for.

I definitely understand what you're saying here, but unfortunately I think you may end up bitterly disappointed if you expect current British culture to reflect the grand achievements of our ancestors.

Modern UK culture, as is the case in almost all 'western' nations, is predominantly influenced by the current world superpower, America. Sure there are a few small cultural differences but America, Canada, Britain, Western Europe etc. are all quite similar now, especially in this age of globalization.

It's also worth noting that modern Britain is actually a service driven economy - particularly financial services. We don't really make or invent anything over here anymore.

 

[JordanN]

There’s a decent game dev scene in Dundee too. So you might want to look into that.

If I move to Scotland, first thing I will do is make an AAA Scottish game. You can count on it.

 

[Starlight Lotice]

If you want to go there to escape NPCs, you're in for a surprise. Go there (a vacation would probably be more suitable before leaping in) for the other things you mentioned, not that.

You need to pick some place far away from western culture, with its own unique cultural heritage that locks this kind of stuff out, or mostly.

Saudi Arabia was always on my wishlist.

At least there they wouldn't tolerate it.

So what is the current situation with Northern Ireland?

Do North Irish consider themselves British or do they want to reunite with the rest of Ireland?

I'm not actually against moving to Belfest, just curious if the situation will remain peaceful in the future?

Younger Generation aren't as bothered about being British/Irish but the older folk are VERY split on it. Do not mention it at all over there unless you absolutely trust the person.

You could be stabbed for it if you play it wrong.

 

[JordanN]

I definitely understand what you're saying here, but unfortunately I think you may end up bitterly disappointed if you expect current British culture to reflect the grand achievements of our ancestors.

Modern UK culture, as is the case in almost all 'western' nations, is predominantly influenced by the current world superpower, America. Sure there are a few small cultural differences but America, Canada, Britain, Western Europe etc. are all quite similar now, especially in this age of globalization.

It's also worth noting that modern Britain is actually a service driven economy - particularly financial services. We don't really make or invent anything over here anymore.

Hmmm, I still believe I can make something work.

What's important for me, is the infrastructure still exists. Even as if you say Britain relies on services, there are still many ways for which the country can innovate.

Like who invents new software? Who will design the technology for new robots? How do you make Trains run on time and who keeps a record of it?

Even in Canada, some of these things still seem very primitive. My city doesn't even have a subway system and the City Councillors fought against building a light rail. Our highways are also poorly designed.

Don't be fooled. I look towards the British people to accept running a country more smoothly and in a professional manner.

 

[-Arcadia-]

Saudi Arabia was always on my wishlist.

At least there they wouldn't tolerate it.

Tbh, if you're a guy, and are willing to assimilate to the predominant religious culture completely, this and other better Middle Eastern places aren't a half bad idea.

In a worst-case scenario for the west, anyway.

 

[Starlight Lotice]

Tbh, if you're a guy, and are willing to assimilate to the predominant religious culture completely, this and other better Middle Eastern places aren't a half bad idea.

In a worst-case scenario for the west, anyway.

It's funny because I am not that religious really despite being baptised as a Left Footer Christian.

The fear would be radicalisation as that tends to happen to a lot of influential British Youths.

 

[JimiNutz]

Hmmm, I still believe I can make something work.

What's important for me, is the infrastructure still exists. Even as if you say Britain relies on services, there are still many ways for which the country can innovate.

Like who invents new software? Who will design the technology for new robots? How do you make Trains run on time and who keeps a record of it?

Even in Canada, some of these things still seem very primitive. My city doesn't even have a subway system and the City Councillors fought against building a light rail. Our highways are also poorly designed.

Don't be fooled. I look towards the British people to accept running a country more smoothly and in a professional manner.

New software and robot technology will likely come from abroad.

You mentioned having a background in architecture?

Well we have had a huge housing crisis in the UK (particularly in the South East of the country) and there is a big push currently to build new homes and try to solve this housing crisis. If that's something you're interested in then I think there are going to be big opportunities in that sector over the coming years.

As far as running a country in a smooth and professional manner... Spend some time reading about modern British politics. Smooth and professional are probably not words that most would use to describe our government.

 

[Starlight Lotice]

Smooth and professional are probably not words that most would use to describe our government.

Is it sad that our Monster Raving Looney Party have more sense than all of them put together.

As for Housing...it is a tragedy and honestly speaking, makes my blood boil that most people cannot even afford the depsoit to a decently priced house even here in the Manchester area.

OP should look into it though as the solution of making those easy to set up houses makes me weasy on the subject. I also heard horror stories of Piping being done like a labyrinth because they don't like hiring professional plumbers to do it.

 

[Charles Brandon]

Whilst I echo those who say countryside >>> city, one should always live in London for a part of one’s life but be warned, it’s expensive. Live in the east of the city if you want to have fun.

If you do want to live in the country, I recommend the south-west.

From my home I can visit the following in a short drive (like 30 minutes)

- the field where Alfred the Great defeated the viking horde (also site of a huge white chalk horse carved out of hillside)

- Glastonbury Tor, the so called mysterious Island of Avalon (plus King Arthur's supposed tomb)

Stonehenge

Avebury - a very weird village inside a stone circle

Lacock - a pretty old village and used as a location for Godric's Hollow in Harry Potter

Bath - arguably the most beautiful city in England (also apparently close to the site where 'Arthur' defeated the saxon horde - if indeed any such person existed)

Wells - setting for Hot Fuzz

Stourhead - you may recognise this from that old meme "look at my horse, my horse is amazing"

And quite a few of this weird things - ancient burial barrows. 5,500 year old structures- older than Stonehenge, older than the pyramids

This is the little town where I live

 

[Thing on a Spring]

Can confirm, south west of England is quite spectacular.

 

[Charles Brandon]

that's just a small part of Somerset/Wiltshire as well. The you have Devon, Dorset and Cornwall and their amazing coastlines

 

[Breakage]

OP, how do you plan to educate the people of Britain and warn them about the fate you plan to leave behind?

This is modern Britain:

Find me another country that produces people who proudly look and behave like this in public. It's hard to believe these pictures are from the same nation that once ruled vast areas of the world. Do you think the people in these photos care about cultural preservation and avoiding the fate you plan to leave behind?

The demographic and cultural changes occuring in cities such as London, Birmingham, Manchester, etc. will eventually spread to the presently nice parts of Britain. It's just a matter of time.

 

[Twinguistics]

The North is as much of a dump as the South, more so in the cities. And most of the Midlands are awful.

I guess most people on here are from the north. The South East is one of the nicest areas to live in, there are nice country villages and the coast too. And you can get to London easily if you need to.

If it's scenery you want then try Cornwall too, but at least consider the South coast before you wind up in Whitley bay or somewhere.

Overall though I'd say that the UK isn't great. Just because we have a history doesn't mean the culture today is good. It's all lager louts and people that like love Island, Primark and insta.

 

[Charles Brandon]

OP, how do you plan to educate the people of Britain and warn them about the fate you plan to leave behind?

This is modern Britain:

Find me another country that produces people who proudly look and behave like this in public. It's hard to believe these pictures are from the same nation that once ruled vast areas of the world. Do you think the people in these photos care about cultural preservation and avoiding the fate you plan to leave behind?

The demographic and cultural changes occuring in cities such as London, Birmingham, Manchester, etc. will eventually spread to the presently nice parts of Britain. It's just a matter of time.

That's not just modern Britain, that's always been Britain. The same Britain that ruled the waves, the same Britain that defeated Napoleon and Hitler and won the battle of Agincourt. The Britain of Arthur and Alfred and the Lionheart. The Britain of Chaucer and Shakespeare. The Britain of Robin Hood and Beowulf and the Anglo-Saxon Chronicle. Of The Magna Carta and Parliament. Throughout it all people have been getting wrecked and making a twat of themselves. Fighting in the street and being sick. Only we didn't have cameras back then.

 

[JordanN]

OP, how do you plan to educate the people of Britain and warn them about the fate you plan to leave behind?

This is modern Britain:

Find me another country that produces people who proudly look and behave like this in public. It's hard to believe these pictures are from the same nation that once ruled vast areas of the world. Do you think the people in these photos care about cultural preservation and avoiding the fate you plan to leave behind?

The demographic and cultural changes occuring in cities such as London, Birmingham, Manchester, etc. will eventually spread to the presently nice parts of Britain. It's just a matter of time.

Lead by example.

I was once a staunch supporter of my country's policies to the point I aggressively defended it (well not in the "physical" sense of the word but in the idiomatic expression) but eventually, even I was able to resist what the media was telling me 24/7 and I came out as the biggest opponent of it.

Outside of actual death threats, educating people goes a long way. I'm only concerned about evidence and once people are confronted by it, they are given two realities:
Accept it or face the consequences.

I also just consider it a personal obligation at this point. Unlike other British colonies, Canada itself has been wrecked with an identity crisis. Even as far back as the 1950s, the country itself just stopped being ambitious, since we were at one point ready to make our own military planes, but then we just cancelled it and started buying everything American. It's like this was planned for decades and we're now seeing the final coping mechanism. Without Britain to no longer prop us up, we just turned to Consumerism and Multiculturalism to fill the gap.

 

[Tesseract]

has anyone been to romania

 

[Punished Miku]

Lead by example.

I was once a staunch supporter of my country's policies to the point I aggressively defended it (well not in the "physical" sense of the word but in the idiomatic expression) but eventually, even I was able to resist what the media was telling me 24/7 and I came out as the biggest opponent of it.

Outside of actual death threats, educating people goes a long way. I'm only concerned about evidence and once people are confronted by it, they are given two realities:
Accept it or face the consequences.

I also just consider it a personal obligation at this point. Unlike other British colonies, Canada itself has been wrecked with an identity crisis. Even as far back as the 1950s, the country itself just stopped being ambitious, since we were at one point ready to make our own military planes, but then we just cancelled it and started buying everything American. It's like this was planned for decades and we're now seeing the final coping mechanism. Without Britain to no longer prop us up, we just turned to Consumerism and Multiculturalism to fill the gap.

I just think you should think about what you want out of your life, and not base moving somewhere on previous empires, inventors or history books. I don't like throwing cold water on someone's earnest goals, but I just think any trend you're talking about reversing is way bigger than an individual person. Broad social and political trends play out across different generations that are educated differently in school, exposed to different technology, economical situations and politics. It's not something you're going to shift at all. Not even slightly.

For most people, not even their own parents can truly influence what their kids do, and in the end they decide for themselves. A random stranger isn't going to be turning the tide. Even Arnold Schwarzennegger couldn't turn it around by himself, and this is a guy who became the best bodybuilder in the world, the best action actor in the world, married into US royalty, and then won political office and is super rich. But what can he do to shift things? Not a whole lot.

You should pick where you want to live based on your immediate surroundings: job, house, culture / local activities. I feel like you're choosing where to live based off watching national news and reading an encyclopedia. You come across as younger than I thought you were, and idealistic.

I'd say having citizenship anywhere makes it worth considering. Take a vacation there, and see if you like it now.

 

[JordanN]

I just think you should think about what you want out of your life, and not base moving somewhere on previous empires, inventors or history books. I don't like throwing cold water on someone's earnest goals, but I just think any trend you're talking about reversing is way bigger than an individual person. Broad social and political trends play out across different generations that are educated differently in school, exposed to different technology, economical situations and politics. It's not something you're going to shift at all. Not even slightly.

I always tell myself "you have to start somewhere". For the same reason you ask why would I go to a foreign country, I also ask why did people suddenly decide to come to mine? The real answer has always been when people move around, that's when a society begins to change or resemble something else. Since those are the people or ideas that will eventually run government, or schools or local businesses and so forth.

That's why I find it a lost cause to live anywhere in this country. It's not about jobs or housing. I can point you to stories where people from foreign countries come to my city and they all force themselves into horrible living conditions just to be here. There was actually a story today about 200+ people who all joined up for a house party. Nobody really thinks twice about this stuff because that's the new normal that is being forced where I live. And of course, the Canadian government 100% enables this behavior.

I will say that that bringing up inventors and Britain's past are perhaps visceral reasons to want to move, but ultimately, I still treat it as proof or knowledge that the UK and Canada are based upon different identities. You don't get hundreds of years of groundbreaking innovation if there was never a culture in place that supported such a thing.

 

[Breakage]

Lead by example.

I was once a staunch supporter of my country's policies to the point I aggressively defended it (well not in the "physical" sense of the word but in the idiomatic expression) but eventually, even I was able to resist what the media was telling me 24/7 and I came out as the biggest opponent of it.

Outside of actual death threats, educating people goes a long way. I'm only concerned about evidence and once people are confronted by it, they are given two realities:
Accept it or face the consequences.

I also just consider it a personal obligation at this point. Unlike other British colonies, Canada itself has been wrecked with an identity crisis. Even as far back as the 1950s, the country itself just stopped being ambitious, since we were at one point ready to make our own military planes, but then we just cancelled it and started buying everything American. It's like this was planned for decades and we're now seeing the final coping mechanism. Without Britain to no longer prop us up, we just turned to Consumerism and Multiculturalism to fill the gap.

You say lead by example, so why can't you do that in your own country? What makes you think that you can make a difference in the UK? How are you gonna educate people here when genuine conservative thinkers with far more reach and resources than you'll ever have can't do much to change things?
I think you have a romanticised view of Britain. All the problems that make you want to flee Canada exist here too.

 

[JordanN]

You say lead by example, so why can't you do that in your own country?

Why didn't people lead change in Hong Kong? Or Zimbabwe? Or Jamaica and a lot of other ex-colonies?

I know a lot of you find it hard to believe but once again, I am describing the reality of what happened after Britain left these places and took their own people with them.
I could write a 300 page essay about why change is now impossible but I don't want to derail my own thread but I will use the latest proof.

In Canada, there isn't just one.... or two.... or three.... but FOUR left-leaning parties. There where only two Conservative Parties last election and my god, they might as well be called Stalin's Backup Party because the minute any Canadian politician tries to push for actual right-wing policies, your life is destroyed. You have to tow the line of being super sensitive and inclusive or you don't even run at all.

And you might look at the popular vote for Andrew Scheer and say "but it's not that bad" but because we live in a parliamentary system, it's 6.3 million Conservative votes in total against 11.3 million Left-leaning ones with no room for Conservatism to grow. It's over before it was even started. And once again, I can go on a 300-page diatribe on why the situation is getting worse but the evidence already reveals itself.

The system doesn't want to work with Conservatives, it's about slowly choking them to the point of disappearing.

The problems have existed for decades but I'm aware my countrymen want something else for the direction of the nation and I rather concede that it's just impossible to stop them.

This has always been the case for ex-Colonies. Britain can't "decolonize" itself and if it does happen then like I said, I rather help an Island that I feel more attachment to.

 

[Dr.Guru of Peru]

I take issue with people who break the law and dictate that national sovereignty cannot exist.

Once again, it was you and another Gaffer recently where this message flies over your head. But I believe it's deliberate why you write these things because it's just another way of avoiding the truth.


How many times do I have to tell you this? Money is the least motivating factor in immigrating. Like, what were you expecting? For everyone to only move to Panama and live in a shack for dirt cheap?
But no, you don't do this. Educated people (who already have a control over their finances) moving is the the boiling point for you. No man, my patience for this nonsense is running out.


Why not? Did Justin Trudeau get elected in the UK? Did the UK completely renounce its nationality and all it's history with it (which goes back thousands of years)?

The SJW nutters in the UK are the least of my problems. What I care about is having a government and a people who can wake up and throw this crap in the garbage.

For multiple reasons, this is impossible to do in Canada. The country is going in its own weird and culture-less direction, and if Canadians continue to vote for it. Fine. But I want off this roller-coaster and to head to another country where I have two options:
1. Educate the population and warn them about the fate I just left.
2. The people are already woke and I do everything in my power to defend their culture.

Once again, don't tell me about the "costs". It didn't stop the millions of other people who snuck inside Western countries, why must it stop someone like me who has benevolent ties? Is there something you're scared of?

I honestly don't understand where much of this is coming from, you seem to be attributing all sorts of meaning to my posts that isn't there. I'm just saying you're going to likely regret your decision. I never said culture was vapid - I said your affinity to British culture is vapid. As if you read a wikipedia page and decided to move. The stuff you'r interested in doesn't exist anymore. Also, it doesn't matter how many times you say you're not doing this for the money, the fact is you will need to have a job when you cross the atlantic or you will likely be miserable. I'm not offering moral judgement here - just predicting you won't be happy.

As for the bit about SJW, you're going to be in for a fun surprise I guess.

 

[JordanN]

I'm not offering moral judgement here - just predicting you won't be happy.

Then your prediction is off base, because I don't feel happy anywhere in my country.

Meanwhile, the complete inverse scenario has people moving to Canada but the media isn't discouraging it. No one is told not to come here because the country gets too cold in the winter or that jobs are hard to find (they are). Instead, the government is more likely to assist in this process of settling people here.

As for the bit about SJW, you're going to be in for a fun surprise I guess.

Every country will have its assholes. But I'm less afraid of them and more about what systems actually exist that give them total power.
SJW's in Canada are given a platter to do whatever they want, because people vote to let them do that with impunity.

 

[Dr.Guru of Peru]

Where have you lived in Canada?

If you want to move to a Scottish Island, perhaps try living in the maritimes for a bit first before moving to a different country?

 

[JordanN]

Where have you lived in Canada?

If you want to move to a Scottish Island, perhaps try living in the maritimes for a bit first before moving to a different country?

I've considered places as far as Nunavut/Yukon. But every analysis just said it doesn't work or it wont fix what's coming.
The long term solution has always been Britain since I identify more with my background then my own country at this point. I'm not going to fight it.

 

[Dr.Guru of Peru]

OK. I just don’t think you’re being rationale, and I think others have said the same. But you’re young so go for it. You can always come back if it sucks.

 

[JordanN]

OK. I just don’t think you’re being rationale, and I think others have said the same. But you’re young so go for it. You can always come back if it sucks.

I'm aware Britain could already suck. Every country technically does. But people still choose to live in these places, because what they're after is a sense of belonging.

It's the same reason why the UK was ok with putting up with constant German bombing for 6 years as opposed to everyone just running away. The threshold for wanting to abandon something goes beyond mere bombs and bullets.

 

[Apocryphon]

Like mentioned and as you've said yourself, OP, stay away from the cities and you'll be fine. The countryside and it's villages are lovely.

Get used to narrow roads and parking spaces as well as much smaller buildings to live and shop in. There's also far smaller choices of products to choose from when shopping over here as well, not that it's always a bad thing, sometimes it makes things easier.

Take out a mortgage or loan before you plan on re-fuelling your car. It's currently 25-30p per litre less than it was a couple of years ago, but that's still more than £1.10 per litre of fuel.

Don't even think about jumping a queue or people will want you deported.

People's accents can drastically change, even if you just took a 20 minute drive to somewhere else. It might take a little getting used to, some accents are harder to understand than others.

Over all you probably won't feel things are really all that different, just expect everything to be smaller and more cramped.

Edit: Don't know how I left this out. Some of the cities can be useful - they have been filling up with gorgeous Eastern European women.

Smaller roads yes... hilariously narrower at times... but since most people in the UK aren't driving RAM 1500s... it isn't a problem outside of there being actual traffic.

Smaller buildings to shop and live in? Maybe, depending... but plenty of Canadians live in small affordable housing. In fact, houses in major cities are smaller in general than in places like greater Calgary where I live. Apartments complexes, duplexes, and townhouses make up a majority of Canadian homes.

Smaller shops? Not at all... it's just different. North America generally has malls and strip malls, they don't have tightly packed town centers.. but store sizes aren't that different. JD Sports and Sports Chek are roughly the same size, as are grocery stores, tech stores etc.. it really isn't that different.

The point to make about choice of products is patently false. Canada is a very strange place in that there is supposed to be a free market but it's bullshit. The country is super protectionist and whatever Canadian products exist they are heavily prioritized over imported competition.

Amazon.ca is horrendous, and the availability of specialist items such as camera filters for example, is pathetic. I am constantly having to import from the US because they're impossible to find locally. I never had anything close to this kind of trouble in the UK.

Gas/petrol prices also aren't that comparable. People in Canada typically travel far greater distances and drive vehicles that are far less fuel efficient. It isn't a 1-to-1 comparison. Alberta alone would accommodate the entire landmass of the United Kingdom more than 3 times. Canada is insanely vast and even the people that live here don't seem to be able to comprehend it.

Everything else you said is 100% accurate though.

I moved out to Calgary from Manchester 8 years ago for work. I am eligible but haven't applied for Canadian citizenship yet... I will, because it's nice to have options... but I'm not completely sure whether I will stay here long term.

Population density is far FAR lower than in the UK and the weather is infinitely better, even during the winter where some.places have snow on the ground for 4+ months of the year. Wages are higher on average, and I think overall the quality of life is higher, but Canada is significantly lacking in a number of areas, particularly architecture, culture, history, etc.

I always wanted to move abroad. I spent almost 30 years of my life in the UK and while I do appreciate that there are many advantages to living in the UK (the proximity to mainland Europe for example), I haven't yet considered moving back.

I dunno OP, it's a big decision and isn't something you should be fantasising or idealizing about. The UK isn't quaint countryside populated with eccentric warm hearted people. Some remote villages maybe, but for the most part it's grim, dreary, and populated by miserable aggressive people. Better drivers though; the standards in Canada are horrible and places like Calgary and Edmonton provably rank amongst the worst in the world.

The job situation depends on the industry. Before I came to Canada I was applying for jobs that had 400-1000 applicants. The UK is overpopulated and the amount of competition keeps salaries lower than they should be. I teach and make 3x as much now than I could in the UK. I dont know what the job market is like there at the moment but it has to be worse than Canada!?

I can see the appeal though. Most Canadians I know have never been outside of their own borders, some even outside of their own province. I have sturents that come to Calgary from small towns and refer to it as "the big city", yet it's one of the smallest cities I have ever visited. I get the appeal to spend time somewhere far more diverse with a lot more history than Canada. Just temper your expectations.

 

[Twinguistics]

Don't come to the UK. We don't need any more right wing nutters that are against multiculturalism. Keep your horrible ideals to yourself. Or find a time machine and take the ideas back where they belong.