Do you agree there's less fluff now? Seems like it should be easier to post now.
Also, Ourobolus. Burb scum reads him, but it was almost as if they tried to avoid each other in these last posts.
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Also, Ourobolus. Burb scum reads him, but it was almost as if they tried to avoid each other in these last posts.
Terrabyte20xx
Junior Wrestlemania XXX Champion
Eh, I don't really know how to respond to a "hunch," or that I'm being "agreeable." (what?) I don't understand what he means by that. I'm not going to get into an in-depth argument over a hunch, and it's not like me coming out and saying "lol no, I'm town" carries any weight.
I don't know if Burb is scum (and to be honest, Burb has never been scum before so I have no idea what scum-Burb looks like), so if his argument is "I'm too town," then I have no idea what to say to him. I town-read him, so I think it's unlikely.
I guess that's true. It's not like there hasn't been a ton of weird activity though - is it possible that Scrafty, Xam, Nin, and Fireblend are all town? Sure. But I've also called out a lot of the inactive players - AB, Kalor, Bronx, Salva,
Launch
Ty4on
Burbeting
Terra is a lean-town, only because he supposedly has a PR, but he brought it out at the oddest possible moment. KK dies and he says "Hey guys, I know that KK died!"
We're still just grabbing at straws here. Launch's switch pretty much guaranteed that no one knows what happened last night, except the people at Table 1, and even then, any PRs that have information at this point should probably keep their mouth shut unless they have irrefutable information.
Do you town read Launch's behavior as well? I see a lot of people town reading Launch just because of his claim.
I'm not really getting the same town read from Launch that I got in Batman. He's not terribly scummy, just not as towny as he was there.
I'm not really getting the same town read from Launch that I got in Batman. He's not terribly scummy, just not as towny as he was there.
Autocorrect (technically the swipe keyboard) wanted to make Launch into Kasich
He's being secretive with whatever extra part of his ability is there, but that's fine with me - for now. I'd rather he not divulge it if he thinks it could be useful being hidden.
He's been pretty quiet since D2 started, but he did say he had finals, so I'll at least give him the benefit of the doubt for now like I did with Bronx.
I think at worst, he's neutral. The ability to randomize a table BEFORE night actions occur seems to me to be a primarily anti-scum, although it does have the secondary effect of messing with town, but I think that's an ok trade-off for the chance for scum to mis-target. Granted, scum still got a kill so it wasn't entirely successful, but I would be really surprised if it's a scum ability in the end.
Xamtheking
Member
At least Weemad has tried to contribute to the conversation in a meaningful way
lol, totally forgot to comment on his behavior.
I was a little irritated with his "lengthy post to follow" post, only for it to be nothing. But still, because of the actual function of his ability (although whatever the "extra" thing is he has up his sleeve could change my feelings towards him), he's most likely town, with a slight chance of being neutral.
I was a little irritated with his "lengthy post to follow" post, only for it to be nothing. But still, because of the actual function of his ability (although whatever the "extra" thing is he has up his sleeve could change my feelings towards him), he's most likely town, with a slight chance of being neutral.
Xamtheking
Member
Sometimes, you think you're going to type out a lengthy post, but then you realize most of the post is already out there in some form
OK, I'm making a vote for the day. I was going to put it on CzarTim based on him wasting a prod vote on Time yesterday yet repeatedly pushing for a Terrabyte lynch, but I can't think of a reason he'd do that as mafia unless both of them are scum and I'm giving TB a pass for now based on his motion detector roleclaim. So I'm just gonna go with my original suspicious character.
VOTE: ScraftyDevil
VOTE: ScraftyDevil
Xamtheking
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look with your special eyes
wait sorry wrong game
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I'm here. It seems like conversation has centered around Xam, Nin, Burb, Weemad and maybe TB and Salva?
Let's see. Xam has been acting weird lately, I said as much on my last post. It's difficult for me to read him because in the first part of Batman he acted nothing like this and that gave me scummy vibes; he was super reserved and generally inactive. Turned out to be town. This time he's acting like I'd expect him to act, which includes tunneling pretty greedily based on a small nugget of what could be a good lead but making a big deal of something that may not be a big deal.
In this case though, Nin has given him ample opportunity to doubt him, to the point of others noticing him. I don't think Nin has answered the question of what he meant when he said maybe there was another kind of PR, and that makes me wonder if he's scum who really did slip up and is now maybe debating with his teammates how to answer that before drawing more attention, because I feel like a townie would have quickly admitted to having slipped up unless they were going to follow up with an actual contribution, which doesn't seem to be the case.
For now I trust Terra's claim. It came out of nowhere and that doesn't seem like something scum would do. Plus, from the table layout mechanic it seems like too obvious a role. Would scum really have risked getting counter-claimed by an actual motion detector with those same mechanics if TB wasn't what he said he is? It's not absolute confidence, but I trust him just as I trust Launch, for now.
Salva... is a null read for me? Let me read back real quick...
Ok so he's been unnecessarily hostile lately. Otherwise he's thrown some shade at Xam and taken a defeatist/bored attitude that reminds me of some people in Batman... What's your approach here, Salva? I don't think scum would call this much attention to themselves for no reason when they could just check in from time to time and be safe. There's way too many inactives now that any relatively non-fluffy post would be well received, so why be like that?
Weemad. That read list did feel super safe, but it's not ringing any bells or raising any flags for me either. I appreciate the activity so I'd like her to stick around for now.
Burb is uh a bear I guess, uh, I'm sleepy. Ok. I agree there's a good chance scum could be partially blending in the background and questioning Salva has yielded some useful stuff. He seems to be poking everyone, asking for reads, top town, etc. Seems like someone going through the motions, which of course can always be argued to be potentially scum trying to appear helpful, but I think that's what he is atm.
Oh, and Bronx. He feels like a reserved townie playing defense to me. Overly cautious and insecure of his reads. I wouldn't push him too hard for now.
Ouro is I think someone who we should be wary off, but is also contributing and I just say that because he seems to be capable of taking control of the narrative.
Launch - Is there something more to your role or did you just say that you had more to say because reasons?
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Is there anything you guys want from me? I'll be here for the next hour at least.
Top Scum:
- Scrafty
- Nin? I feel like in the Nin vs. Xam thing, I'd lean towards Nin.
- CzarTim (getting bad vibes, mostly from him being so sure me and Gryvan were town)
I'm not sure how to feel about Salva, but the noncontributing attitude is really confusing/unhelpful.
Let's see. Xam has been acting weird lately, I said as much on my last post. It's difficult for me to read him because in the first part of Batman he acted nothing like this and that gave me scummy vibes; he was super reserved and generally inactive. Turned out to be town. This time he's acting like I'd expect him to act, which includes tunneling pretty greedily based on a small nugget of what could be a good lead but making a big deal of something that may not be a big deal.
In this case though, Nin has given him ample opportunity to doubt him, to the point of others noticing him. I don't think Nin has answered the question of what he meant when he said maybe there was another kind of PR, and that makes me wonder if he's scum who really did slip up and is now maybe debating with his teammates how to answer that before drawing more attention, because I feel like a townie would have quickly admitted to having slipped up unless they were going to follow up with an actual contribution, which doesn't seem to be the case.
For now I trust Terra's claim. It came out of nowhere and that doesn't seem like something scum would do. Plus, from the table layout mechanic it seems like too obvious a role. Would scum really have risked getting counter-claimed by an actual motion detector with those same mechanics if TB wasn't what he said he is? It's not absolute confidence, but I trust him just as I trust Launch, for now.
Salva... is a null read for me? Let me read back real quick...
Ok so he's been unnecessarily hostile lately. Otherwise he's thrown some shade at Xam and taken a defeatist/bored attitude that reminds me of some people in Batman... What's your approach here, Salva? I don't think scum would call this much attention to themselves for no reason when they could just check in from time to time and be safe. There's way too many inactives now that any relatively non-fluffy post would be well received, so why be like that?
Weemad. That read list did feel super safe, but it's not ringing any bells or raising any flags for me either. I appreciate the activity so I'd like her to stick around for now.
Burb is uh a bear I guess, uh, I'm sleepy. Ok. I agree there's a good chance scum could be partially blending in the background and questioning Salva has yielded some useful stuff. He seems to be poking everyone, asking for reads, top town, etc. Seems like someone going through the motions, which of course can always be argued to be potentially scum trying to appear helpful, but I think that's what he is atm.
Oh, and Bronx. He feels like a reserved townie playing defense to me. Overly cautious and insecure of his reads. I wouldn't push him too hard for now.
Ouro is I think someone who we should be wary off, but is also contributing and I just say that because he seems to be capable of taking control of the narrative.
Launch - Is there something more to your role or did you just say that you had more to say because reasons?
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Is there anything you guys want from me? I'll be here for the next hour at least.
Top Scum:
- Scrafty
- Nin? I feel like in the Nin vs. Xam thing, I'd lean towards Nin.
- CzarTim (getting bad vibes, mostly from him being so sure me and Gryvan were town)
I'm not sure how to feel about Salva, but the noncontributing attitude is really confusing/unhelpful.
Oh, yeah, I haven't changed my thoughts since the beginning of the day when I voted her, but I have no problem repeating myself. She was very odd about how she agreed with me yesterday on mostly everything; there's some mentions in this page of me being read as town, but she pretty much said she trusted me yesterday when she had nothing to trust seeing how I've claimed nothing or asked for anything from anyone. Not to mention I was acting pretty recklessly; I have no idea why someone would town-read me acting like that. She followed me with 0 resistance into the Gryvan lynch, which is something scum would have been happy to do.
Her persona in this game feels more forced to me than in other games. Like she's really using it this time to hide something and having a hard time doing so, specially with her gotcha move earlier today. It feels like she posted something just to check in, got called out by weemad and then scrambled to make it seem like some sort of planned thing. The sloppy way she defended herself with didn't fit the "superiority complex" her persona seems to have, and that just reeks of desperation to me.
And then there's her general inactivity. It feels off from the sort of play I expect from her.
weemadarthur
Member
I don't know what you mean by safe. It's day one to me, but I'm keeping the conversation flowing as best I can.
You, though. You are spontaneously defending me. It can't possibly be because I'm one of the few people who don't want to lynch you?
I want read lists from Scrafty, Kalor, AbsolutBro, Robotninjahornets, Burbeting, Ty4on, and Salvapot. I feel as though, no matter how much they may have respectively talked, I still have no idea what they're thinking.
Xamtheking
Member
I'm not as much defending you as trying to offer up what i see as better potential lynches today
weemadarthur
Member
So, Fireblend. Do you have any direct response to my notes on you? I am very surprised that you think Gryvan and Xam haven't behaved exactly as they did in batman. Although Gryvan seemed to be trying to step up his play level since his refusal to play ball with town got him lynched in that game.
Weemad: I'm actually surprised that you say I'm acting differently from Batman. This season I've been trying to shake things up a bit. On Batman I went after you on D1. Sorian even said I seemed unusually confident when I was going after you. You shaked it off well though, which was the total opposite of Gryvan yesterday and Scrafty so far. I don't think I'm tense or serious either, I was just trying to make my vote have weight yesterday, which was sort of a success.
I think Xam is acting different from Batman, I don't recall saying the same about Gryvan. Xam felt reserved and defeatist in B while here he seems decisive and spontaneous, it's a subjective thing but that's how I feel. I do read Xam more as town than other people.
I think Xam is acting different from Batman, I don't recall saying the same about Gryvan. Xam felt reserved and defeatist in B while here he seems decisive and spontaneous, it's a subjective thing but that's how I feel. I do read Xam more as town than other people.
All right, I am back. Civil War is great, go watch it.
Also, fun fact, but my girlfriend/future wife is a on gaf, I'll give a cool gift to whoever can guess her username.
Anywaaaaaaaaaaaaay, enough with the fluff.
I liked how today was way more active, it was pissing me off how Xamcentric it was before, thank god we get players actually talking this time.
To start, I want to say that I am still surprised that Ouro didn't take the bait I setup for him on day 1, I voted him and he proceeded to completely ignore it, not even bringing it up today even when there is two other player (I guess now 3?) who are willing to vote me out.
Talking about them, I know launch doesn't trust me because I went hard on him on day 1, but I have to ask him that is your launch, why did you think I did that? Answer me this, would you trust a townie who would blindly believe every single claim and pr suppositions? I dislike when pr's expect town to blindly believe their claim and not at least fight it a bit. I don't know about you, launch, but when I make a claim I pay reeeeally close attention to how people react to it, normally those who take it at face value usually now more than they should, so there is a chance scum is hiding with them, of course this is not always the case.
And this brings me to my next point, players going back and forth between punishing people who make safe reads while also punishing those who are constantly confrontational, I think the ones that are actually somewhere in the middle are the most dangerous. Only inciting discussion and getting people out of their comfort zone is how you can get more information, and I think I was somehow successful in that.
Terra mentions that he should policy lynch me. Come on man, are you even trying? If you are going to vote me out at least be honest about it, is because I don't trust you and because I am willing to vote for you, how is that for a reason? Taking out stock phrases like policy lynching makes it seem like you are putting on a mask, a facade. Are you a victim to my very very gentle prod? Are you "policy lynching" me because you feel I am scum or because I am a risk to your survival? You need to think outside players who act against you and actually focus on who could be scum, don't you think? So I am scum because I don't trust you? Or am I just misguided? If you are town, you shouldn't feel so strongly about my accusations, instead you should focus in helping townies, like me, on getting scum players out of the game.
Burbeting did exactly what I expected a townie will do with my attitude, so for now he is 100% my top town, he didn't get down to my level and actually tried to get me to participate, same with Ty4on who I also put him as second top town.
About the other player in the game, I just don't like how Xam is playing, as I said it feels to close to PW and I think he is hiding. As for now, I'll vote him out.
Vote: Xamtheking
About Scrafty, I agree that her persona is even skechier than usual, but I'll allow it for now, since she seems to need some time to get it together. Nin is cool to me so far, fire I think is acting fairly normal, weemad... I don't have a read on him yet, I need one more day.
And if I survive today I want to really look into Ourobolus tomorrow, mostly because I don't like been ignored.
Also, fun fact, but my girlfriend/future wife is a on gaf, I'll give a cool gift to whoever can guess her username.
Anywaaaaaaaaaaaaay, enough with the fluff.
I liked how today was way more active, it was pissing me off how Xamcentric it was before, thank god we get players actually talking this time.
To start, I want to say that I am still surprised that Ouro didn't take the bait I setup for him on day 1, I voted him and he proceeded to completely ignore it, not even bringing it up today even when there is two other player (I guess now 3?) who are willing to vote me out.
Talking about them, I know launch doesn't trust me because I went hard on him on day 1, but I have to ask him that is your launch, why did you think I did that? Answer me this, would you trust a townie who would blindly believe every single claim and pr suppositions? I dislike when pr's expect town to blindly believe their claim and not at least fight it a bit. I don't know about you, launch, but when I make a claim I pay reeeeally close attention to how people react to it, normally those who take it at face value usually now more than they should, so there is a chance scum is hiding with them, of course this is not always the case.
And this brings me to my next point, players going back and forth between punishing people who make safe reads while also punishing those who are constantly confrontational, I think the ones that are actually somewhere in the middle are the most dangerous. Only inciting discussion and getting people out of their comfort zone is how you can get more information, and I think I was somehow successful in that.
Terra mentions that he should policy lynch me. Come on man, are you even trying? If you are going to vote me out at least be honest about it, is because I don't trust you and because I am willing to vote for you, how is that for a reason? Taking out stock phrases like policy lynching makes it seem like you are putting on a mask, a facade. Are you a victim to my very very gentle prod? Are you "policy lynching" me because you feel I am scum or because I am a risk to your survival? You need to think outside players who act against you and actually focus on who could be scum, don't you think? So I am scum because I don't trust you? Or am I just misguided? If you are town, you shouldn't feel so strongly about my accusations, instead you should focus in helping townies, like me, on getting scum players out of the game.
Burbeting did exactly what I expected a townie will do with my attitude, so for now he is 100% my top town, he didn't get down to my level and actually tried to get me to participate, same with Ty4on who I also put him as second top town.
About the other player in the game, I just don't like how Xam is playing, as I said it feels to close to PW and I think he is hiding. As for now, I'll vote him out.
Vote: Xamtheking
About Scrafty, I agree that her persona is even skechier than usual, but I'll allow it for now, since she seems to need some time to get it together. Nin is cool to me so far, fire I think is acting fairly normal, weemad... I don't have a read on him yet, I need one more day.
And if I survive today I want to really look into Ourobolus tomorrow, mostly because I don't like been ignored.
ScraftyDevil
Banned
Well, I'm off to get my beauty sleep and it's possible that I won't be awake in time for the deadline so let me just say this:
I am Palmer_v1, Keeper of the Rules, and my power lets me check whether two guests are working together or against each other. On Night 1 I checked an individual against KingKitty and they turned out to be working together. In the wake of KK's tragic demise I can safely say this individual is confirmed to be town. I won't reveal who it is unless my death is a certain thing as I don't wish to paint a target on their back, but safe to say thanks to them I now have a reliable way to check for scum each night.
Do with this information what you will. If you still believe I'm worth killing then so be it. I'm not going to make any excuses, but I also will not move my vote away from weemad because I truly do believe that they're guilty. RNH seems guilty by association but the verdict's still out on him.
I still trust you Fireblend, despite everything. You're honest and trying your best. Same goes for Ouro and CzarTim.
I am Palmer_v1, Keeper of the Rules, and my power lets me check whether two guests are working together or against each other. On Night 1 I checked an individual against KingKitty and they turned out to be working together. In the wake of KK's tragic demise I can safely say this individual is confirmed to be town. I won't reveal who it is unless my death is a certain thing as I don't wish to paint a target on their back, but safe to say thanks to them I now have a reliable way to check for scum each night.
Do with this information what you will. If you still believe I'm worth killing then so be it. I'm not going to make any excuses, but I also will not move my vote away from weemad because I truly do believe that they're guilty. RNH seems guilty by association but the verdict's still out on him.
I still trust you Fireblend, despite everything. You're honest and trying your best. Same goes for Ouro and CzarTim.
Xamtheking
Member
That's an extremely convenient power
Well, thats great to hear since i did not want to vote for you, BUT it sucks for me since it came down for either Me or you ( i doubt town will want to lynch Xam since he claimed to be poisoned and it would not make sense lynch him now , time will tell ).
8 Hours left everyone. Get your votes ready in time. If it comes down to me i will explain why i voted the way i did.
How is rnh guilty? I missed that.
Can you only target people that are on the same table as you?
Also, I don't think withholding the name of your cleared townie is a smart idea. If you are speaking the truth, you will now be the prime target for scum, and the chance of you dying tonight will be pretty high.
Bananaspaceprincess
Neo Member
I feel like it's time to let this discussion rest. I guess Nin will not say more than he already did and you will not stop pointing out every bits and piece you don't like about his answer. That's just annoying!
In a Nin vs Xam at the moment I'm leaning towards a Xam vote and this is not just because his play style bugs me he also hasn't done anything but discuss with other players over and over again. But it probably is as Roy said... two townies overreacting on each other.
Anyway, when I'm not getting bigger scum vibes from anybody at the end of the day I think my vote goes to Xam.
Are you saying she should commit more and go all in ? Should i do so since i am on the chopping block ?
Bananaspaceprincess
Neo Member
Okay interesting another PR that targeted KK.
Scrafty can you tell us why you targeted him?
According to TBs claim he can only sense that "stuff happened", right? Mhhh that doesn't help us a lot here then :/
She? Yes, I think the risk of painting a target on someone doesn't outweigh the the risk of her dying tonight without giving us the information she has, now that she has claimed cop.
You? How should I know? I don't know if you have any information, and if that information would make you a night target or not. Also, if you can be present during day's end, it is always better to wait until closer to the deadline before role claiming.
Bananaspaceprincess
Neo Member
Bananaspaceprincess
Neo Member
I thought he might be the neutral/prankster/whatever for a sec...
The question is, does it affect down in a bad way? It sure confuses A LOT but I think by now we know not to get to comfi on our seat. I guess he will be a back up lynch till the he leaves the game any other way.
Xam is annoying!
Well, i am inclined to agree. For that matter i will cast my vote on him aswell.
What goes around comes back around Kalor
Vote: Kalor
Why not Bronx-Man?
I'm ok with him, time, maybe AB.
Actually, I just remembered Wee as well. I felt like wee's post coming into the game were really forced and I read that as scum trying to make up for taking over an inactive's role.
Not a blender, but I'd be okay with a vote there.
I can understand the votes as I'm struggled to read people this game and that has affected my posts. Although I don't like how quickly nin jumped onto the vote but then of course he is going to vote for someone who might gain traction, preventing his own lynch.
I'm going to shift my vote to RobotNinjaHornets purely based on their inactivity. I want to hear more from them before the day ends.
Vote: RobotNinjaHornets
If I end up as a vote leader with 2/3 hours to go I'll claim but no point doing that now.
I'm going to shift my vote to RobotNinjaHornets purely based on their inactivity. I want to hear more from them before the day ends.
Vote: RobotNinjaHornets
If I end up as a vote leader with 2/3 hours to go I'll claim but no point doing that now.
Well Bronx-Man actually tried to put down some good posts and his thoughts,whereas kalor came out of nowhere voted for me and dissapeared again, only to come back to the discussion with this post
weemadarthur
Member
It's possible that you trying to make your vote have weight is what I'm seeing as serious. But frankly, you just aren't posting like you're having any fun. It's like you feel obligated to show up.
Xam was decisive enough in batman, he tunneled so hard on Sorian there was no dislodging his nose. I see him as flailing around like normal, except he seems to have less of an agenda here.
It's funny, we're making the same argument, but I'm making it about you, and you're making it about Xam.
Don't you dare.
weemadarthur
Member
I see you've given your top three town reads. Any chance of you giving reads of multiple scum players?
Right now your vote is on me for, as far as I can tell, OMGUS. Your claim is that you copped the dead guy, which makes it seem like a fake claim because the dead guys are the only ones you can prove are town. And then you disappear until after the deadline. All behavior I expect from scum when they're under the microscope.
I'm guilty of what again? Telling you not to waste your alleged "prod" on someone who declared a lack of internet this whole weekend. If you phrased your vote as removing an inactive, I wouldn't have bothered you. But prodding someone who isn't here means you're either hiding in plain sight, or not paying attention. Which is it?
What do you think of her claim?
weemadarthur
Member
Pardon me for trying to bring some levity into this party.
Worst wedding ever.
Your assessment is vague enough that I don't know how to respond. I feel like you post that way a lot, which is probably why I scum read you. Have you ever been town?