I can only tell you what i would do. I would stay in the thread in order to repsond to every question there is on order to help town. Claiming and leaving us with only her claim is not very helpful. Come back Scrafty !
Gafia 2: The Bride of Gafia |Mafia OT| One Wedding, Many Funerals
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I can only tell you what i would do. I would stay in the thread in order to repsond to every question there is on order to help town. Claiming and leaving us with only her claim is not very helpful. Come back Scrafty !
That sounds so sad
I am having fun! Anyway,
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Not sure where to go from here with my vote. I'd like to hear from Scrafty and see if she has any reason to vote for RNH beyond inactivity. It sounds like she does?
Lynching an inactive like Kalor is OK I guess, but I'd like to avoid it. The next one on my list is Non and Tim but I don't think I have the evidence, energy or time to push either today.
weemadarthur
Member
I doubt all claims until there is supplemental proof. Gafia seems to love making fake claims, and lying about how their roles work. It's meta but I find it pretty consistent through games.
But that's a policy doubt. I don't know whether to believe her claim. It isn't a role I'm familiar with. I still confuse all the words for informational roles, like I would mix up watcher and tracker.
I think her lack of explanation of her choices to cop isn't reassuring me. Why kingkitty? Why this other player? It reads like someone being slippery and not honest.
weemadarthur
Member
Right, right. Now I totally believe you're town!
Does anyone know a game where CzarT was town? I should read it to see if he has this scum veneer there too.
weemadarthur
Member
Gafia has a serious problem with catching scum, then just letting them go because they claim to be something important.
If we have a truly believable cop claim, then no I wouldn't leave my vote there. But a wishy washy claim without saying who's cleared, and not coming back, isn't believable in my book.
Still, I haven't left the thread. I've said it would take something significant to take my vote off Scrafty, and if we get to significant, I will do so. I'm currently reviewing the thread to see who I would vote for instead of her if it came to that.
She did say that she would reveal the cleared person if her death was certain but ideally that information would be outed since then the scum could just go after the cleared person. At this point it's not like saying that information will be important since anyone could make up a cleared person.
weemadarthur
Member
That is possible. But it doesn't outweigh her disappearance after claiming and her general refusal to answer questions this whole game.
Cop isn't a role scum can claim and just leave there. They can risk maaaybe letting a doctor live like in Batman (plus presumably there knew there was a high chance the doctor was helping then 
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A cop is too risky though. If Scrafty is cop, I doubt she'll survive the night. Scrafty, what's your plan here? Now that you've claimed, it makes 0 sense not to share everything you've got.
) A cop is too risky though. If Scrafty is cop, I doubt she'll survive the night. Scrafty, what's your plan here? Now that you've claimed, it makes 0 sense not to share everything you've got.
Well, she didn't just "disappear", she did announce she would have to go to bed soon.
The way I look at cop claims is that if they are fake, that will become clear very quickly. A cop is way to powerful for scum to let live, so if she keeps on living and not giving us a scum/neutral result, it becomes very suspicious and we should lynch her. Sure, scum could let her live on purpose to put suspicion on her, but that would also give her more nights to get us results, which would be confirmed when we eventually lynch her, which is not a bad end result imo. Therefore I am always very hesitant to lynch a cop claim early in the game.
I don't have any real read of Scrafty, but I feel her late D1 vote was a little weird for a scum to do (just brought unwanted attention). I don't like her low attention, but she was caught up in the memcache error and I don't find her claim that hard to believe.
Wee I also don't have much of a read on, but my gut says town. She's been more reasonable than in Batman (which initially made me a little suspicious), but it seems genuine and not like an act.
I'm going to work now and probably won't be here for the day end, but I still want people to pressure Bronx. I really didn't like the backpedal he made when I asked for clarification and he believed Launch's claim before Launch made the full claim.
Wee I also don't have much of a read on, but my gut says town. She's been more reasonable than in Batman (which initially made me a little suspicious), but it seems genuine and not like an act.
I'm going to work now and probably won't be here for the day end, but I still want people to pressure Bronx. I really didn't like the backpedal he made when I asked for clarification and he believed Launch's claim before Launch made the full claim.
AbsolutBro
Member
Morning everyone.
To be fair, the way she worded her power it is very easy to get away with. The way her power "works" is to say if someone is with or against town. Well, she knows who town is, so saying someone is working "with town" is an easy thing to do (scum can just kill that person later). In the off chance she hits a neutral who is against town, it's not like that person is going to call her on it and get them both killed.
It is pretty ingenious, actually.
IF, and this is a big IF, Scrafty is telling the truth, her not outing the person makes sense kind of. Right now, if there is a doctor, they can protect Scrafty. BUT, if Scrafty tells us who the person working with King Kitty was (and KK is confirmed town via death) then suddenly there are two people for a doctor to protect: Scrafty AND the "helper" as it were. Now it's a 50/50 shot instead of our (hypothetical at this point) doctor knowing exactly whom to protect.
Cop isn't a role scum can claim and just leave there. They can risk maaaybe letting a doctor live like in Batman (plus presumably there knew there was a high chance the doctor was helping then
A cop is too risky though. If Scrafty is cop, I doubt she'll survive the night. Scrafty, what's your plan here? Now that you've claimed, it makes 0 sense not to share everything you've got.
To be fair, the way she worded her power it is very easy to get away with. The way her power "works" is to say if someone is with or against town. Well, she knows who town is, so saying someone is working "with town" is an easy thing to do (scum can just kill that person later). In the off chance she hits a neutral who is against town, it's not like that person is going to call her on it and get them both killed.
It is pretty ingenious, actually.
IF, and this is a big IF, Scrafty is telling the truth, her not outing the person makes sense kind of. Right now, if there is a doctor, they can protect Scrafty. BUT, if Scrafty tells us who the person working with King Kitty was (and KK is confirmed town via death) then suddenly there are two people for a doctor to protect: Scrafty AND the "helper" as it were. Now it's a 50/50 shot instead of our (hypothetical at this point) doctor knowing exactly whom to protect.
weemadarthur
Member
Must be Time zone differences. I'm awake early on Saturday morning and just see that she didn't respond to concerns.
ScraftyDevil
Banned
I set an alarm just in case, so I'm here now.
To answer a few questions: my power is not limited by table, it only tells me whether the individuals in question are on the same team and not what team it is, and I chose KingKitty because he was pushing hard for my death yesterday and I wanted to make sure he wasn't a scum trying to pull something.
I didn't want to reveal the idenitity of the other person I checked because if they died I'd be back to square one investigation-wise but seeing as how I'm probably going to die anyways:
Bronx-Man is confirmed town.
To answer a few questions: my power is not limited by table, it only tells me whether the individuals in question are on the same team and not what team it is, and I chose KingKitty because he was pushing hard for my death yesterday and I wanted to make sure he wasn't a scum trying to pull something.
I didn't want to reveal the idenitity of the other person I checked because if they died I'd be back to square one investigation-wise but seeing as how I'm probably going to die anyways:
Bronx-Man is confirmed town.
OK, did you leave any hints for this?
Reading your initial post D2 it sounded like you had cleared Nin and that's what I would have thought had you flipped cop without telling us who you cleared.
weemadarthur
Member
Yeah, I'll agree that the balance of probability is that Bronxman is town. Why, after this morning's fire drill, I wound up sitting next to him. And I feel perfectly safe, no stress at all.
Now Xam on my other side, I'm regularly 'accidentally' elbowing in the face!
ScraftyDevil
Banned
I don't believe so, no. I was going to use him to systematically test everyone I'm suspicious of, but if I'm going to die then everyone should at least have someone to trust.
So claims right now:
Launchpad - Town aligned table scrambler (1-shot).
Terrabyte - Motion Detector of some sort?
Scrafty - Modified cop
Bronx-man - Supposedly cleared by Scrafty
Claims outside roles:
Xam - Claims to have been poisoned?
Roy - Claims to have been doused in gasoline
Am I missing something?
Launchpad - Town aligned table scrambler (1-shot).
Terrabyte - Motion Detector of some sort?
Scrafty - Modified cop
Bronx-man - Supposedly cleared by Scrafty
Claims outside roles:
Xam - Claims to have been poisoned?
Roy - Claims to have been doused in gasoline
Am I missing something?
I don't think Xam ever claimed being poisoned, just that he drank a drink that was put before him, the poison part was just speculation as far as I remember.
weemadarthur
Member
Your points are extremely convincing to me, Roy. Thank you.
I will therefore move my vote to my next scum candidate.
He clearly stated he won't have internet until Sunday. If he isn't extremely contributive on day three, I will absolutely join this vote. But you're parking a useless prod vote just like Scrafty did.
Vote: kalor
Okay. It did feel weird that everyone suddenly talked about him being poisoned instead of him just drinking "something", when I didn't notice him saying that, but I lined that as missing his post about that somehow.
I must have missed his post about not having internet when I checked earlier. Since that's the case then I'll unvote.
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I replied to your post on that same page. You said I was being "patient," which I responded with an equally vague "?"
Huh. That's...believable.
Cop isn't a role scum can claim and just leave there. They can risk maaaybe letting a doctor live like in Batman (plus presumably there knew there was a high chance the doctor was helping then
A cop is too risky though. If Scrafty is cop, I doubt she'll survive the night. Scrafty, what's your plan here? Now that you've claimed, it makes 0 sense not to share everything you've got.
Cop is a decent role for scum to claim, because if they just keep finding "town" it's not like anyone is going to chime in and say "no, wait, I'm actually scum!" That said, a cop claim doesn't warrant an immediate lynch in my book.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
For the record, I originally thought it would be a good idea to share the other part of my ability, but reconsidered.
Didn't bold the role name, that's a #scumtell.
Anyway, I believe Scrafty. I'm not down for lynching her without testing her claim.
I actually still really want to lynch Nin. He doesn't feel like he's acting from general confusion or just coming from a weird place like he usually is. He sounds like he's been trying to piece something together about me with some extra information. I'm not sure what to make of it. Kalor, for me, was a null read, but I'll support the lynch to make things a little more decisive.
VOTE: Kalor
Meanwhile, I believe weemad is something to keep an eye on going forward. I'll see what's what with him next phase.
weemadarthur
Member
Good, good. I wanted you to continue having a vote that says nothing when we look at it in the future.
But that's not why I think you're scum. And unvoting the absentee isn't going to make me unvote you.
AbsolutBro
Member
That was probably me then. I'm the one that linked Xam's "someone gave me a drink" to Time and Nin's exchange about someone poisoning a water glass.
I still don't really trust Xam on that; seems either
1. An impressive coincidence
2. Xam using it as a smoke screen
3. Time knew the power was in the game
Of the three 2 is, imo, the most likely. I'm fine with not lynching him and letting the "drink" play out. If he lives with no other effects, maybe we revisit.
For current vote I am less sure.
She already stated that it's not limited by table.
Okay, I must have missed it.
So that does put the theory of PR's being able to target only the table they are sitting on into jeopardy.
AB, something has been bugging me with your thoughts on a poisoner. You were the first to bring up the idea of a poisoner (although your specific take on the role was a little different than what seems to be happening:
AbsolutBro
Member
Again only if people remember he said it at all. The discussion about it dropped off rather quickly.
As for "one-shot or not", my guess is that IF it is a killing power and IF it is scum instead of a neutral killer, then it is one-shot. It would have to be.
AbsolutBro
Member
Yes. I brought it up 12 posts before Time's rather more specific post about poisoning glasses. My theory also targeted the seat instead of a person, since I was continuing discussion of the map mechanic.
"Hey."
"Yeah?"
"You ever wonder why we're here?"
"It's one of life's great mysteries, isn't it? Why are we here? Are we the product of some cosmic coincidence? Or is there really a God, watching over us, like with a plan for us and stuff? I dunno, man. But it keeps me up at night."
"What? No. I meant why are we here, at this table?"
"Oh. Right."
"What was all that stuff about God?"
"Huh? Nothing."
"You want to talk about it?"
"No."
"You sure?"
"Yes."
Current Vote Count:
kalor (4)
roytheone 876
ty4on 947 (1062)
czartim 1138 (1155)
nin1000 1139
weemadarthur 1175
launchpadmcq 1179
scraftydevil (2)
fireblend 637 (1153)
weemadarthur 881 (1175)
timeaisis 1004
camjo-z 1113
weemadarthur (2)
xamtheking 652 (762)
czartim 805 (1138)
scraftydevil 883
czartim 1155
salvapot (2)
terrabyte20xx 830
burbeting 1026
nin1000 (1)
xamtheking 762 (842)
launchpadmcq 773 (1179)
kalor 868 (1143)
xamtheking 950 (961)
xamtheking 972
fireblend (1)
robotninjahornets 808
bronx-man (1)
ty4on 1062
xamtheking (1)
salvapot 1123
hyperactivity (0)
burbeting 614 (1020)
xamtheking 842 (865)
terrabyte20xx (0)
czartim 629 (802)
robotninjahornets (0)
scraftydevil 851 (883)
kalor 1143 (1177)
absolutbro (0)
ourobolus 863 (999)
burbeting (0)
nin1000 915 (1022)
timeaisis (0)
xamtheking 961 (972)
The following players do not have an active vote in place at this time:
AbsolutBro
Bronx-man
BananaSpacePrincess
Fireblend
Kalor
Ourobolus
Day 2 will end in:
"Yeah?"
"You ever wonder why we're here?"
"It's one of life's great mysteries, isn't it? Why are we here? Are we the product of some cosmic coincidence? Or is there really a God, watching over us, like with a plan for us and stuff? I dunno, man. But it keeps me up at night."
"What? No. I meant why are we here, at this table?"
"Oh. Right."
"What was all that stuff about God?"
"Huh? Nothing."
"You want to talk about it?"
"No."
"You sure?"
"Yes."
Current Vote Count:
kalor (4)
roytheone 876
nin1000 1139
weemadarthur 1175
launchpadmcq 1179
scraftydevil (2)
timeaisis 1004
camjo-z 1113
weemadarthur (2)
scraftydevil 883
czartim 1155
salvapot (2)
terrabyte20xx 830
burbeting 1026
nin1000 (1)
xamtheking 972
fireblend (1)
robotninjahornets 808
bronx-man (1)
ty4on 1062
xamtheking (1)
salvapot 1123
hyperactivity (0)
terrabyte20xx (0)
robotninjahornets (0)
absolutbro (0)
burbeting (0)
timeaisis (0)
The following players do not have an active vote in place at this time:
AbsolutBro
Bronx-man
BananaSpacePrincess
Fireblend
Kalor
Ourobolus
Day 2 will end in:
Yes, I'm ripping off Red vs Blue for fluff. That is how tired I am.
AbsolutBro
Member
Was the poison a killing poison? I can't imagine a balanced game where scum repeatedly gets to kill two people a night directly.
I had one in Election. It was 3-shot.
AbsolutBro
Member
All this #voteshaming!
I woke up this morning with the intent to vote for Scrafty, and then, well, this happened. Salva's the next on my scum list, and his post isn't really doing much for me despite the fact that he actually posted.
AbsolutBro
Member
Huh. TIL
I'm trying to gather up all my thoughts to one big post now, but I wanted to note that it was bit odd in Salva's big post to vote on Xam at this point of the game, when we don't know what his claim actually will mean. I also felt that his praise on me was some way of ass-kissing his voter, which is always bothersome. Still, it's good that he posted something substansial, which is not something I can say from some players.
ScraftyDevil
Banned
My role makes special mention of the fact that my power isn't limited by the seating arrangement so it's still possible that some powers are.
Well, I said I would claim at 2/3 hours to go if I was a vote leader and I want to give people time to react so here we go.
I'm Xamtheking, Lord of Xamxiety and am an even night commuter. Every other night I get xamxiety and get up from my chair. I almost didn't say if it was odd or even but I'm protected tonight anyway so I would at least live another day if I'm not lynched. Of course as a result of my role I can't exactly give any new information but that's what it is. If people still want to lynch me to prove my role then so be it.
I'm Xamtheking, Lord of Xamxiety and am an even night commuter. Every other night I get xamxiety and get up from my chair. I almost didn't say if it was odd or even but I'm protected tonight anyway so I would at least live another day if I'm not lynched. Of course as a result of my role I can't exactly give any new information but that's what it is. If people still want to lynch me to prove my role then so be it.