LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Lol, there is a contradiction immediately.
Call it a gut feeling
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Gafia 2: The Bride of Gafia |Mafia OT| One Wedding, Many Funerals
- Thread starter RetroMG
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Call it a gut feeling
Terrabyte20xx
Junior Wrestlemania XXX Champion
Okay, yeah no, I'm not going let you walk away with that. Tell me WHY you're voting for BSP.Yay @ no night kill. Here's hoping we have an ace blocker/protector.
For now my scum list consists on Launch and BSP, who I hope shows up at some point today.
Vote: BananaSpacePrincess
Yesterday I didn't vote because I didn't want to hammer, so I'll correct my mistake this time around and vote early.
I find it really funny how your top scum just happen to line up with the people who have votes on them already.
All right, back to scum hunting.
Since Camjo actually was the arsonist, I'll move AB and Tim off of my list for now. Sorry for the attacks the other day(s).
Launch, BSP, and Nin are my top scum right now though. Nin I had read as town up until yesterday, but holy shit the arsonist agreement was just blowing my mind. As a townie I can't understand why that would even be on the table, and the only reason I could see any sort of agreement happening with a claimed arsonist was if scum knew that so far they hadn't been doused, and thus the only dead bodies thus far would be non-scum.
Launch, you're just acting weird. The nin tunneling isn't helping (well, for both of you - I'm getting flashbacks of Nin/TheWorthyEdge here), but the late drink claim was out of left field as well. I know you said you realized it could be suspicious that you waited so long to claim you received it, but, well, you're right. To be fair though, there's really no way to take it back, though if you're telling the truth, why didn't you claim it on D3 or D4 once you realized that 1) I claimed, and 2) both Ty and Salva received drinks N3?
As for BSP, yeah. Nothing has changed there, she just still exists and that's about it.
Since Camjo actually was the arsonist, I'll move AB and Tim off of my list for now. Sorry for the attacks the other day(s).
Launch, BSP, and Nin are my top scum right now though. Nin I had read as town up until yesterday, but holy shit the arsonist agreement was just blowing my mind. As a townie I can't understand why that would even be on the table, and the only reason I could see any sort of agreement happening with a claimed arsonist was if scum knew that so far they hadn't been doused, and thus the only dead bodies thus far would be non-scum.
Launch, you're just acting weird. The nin tunneling isn't helping (well, for both of you - I'm getting flashbacks of Nin/TheWorthyEdge here), but the late drink claim was out of left field as well. I know you said you realized it could be suspicious that you waited so long to claim you received it, but, well, you're right. To be fair though, there's really no way to take it back, though if you're telling the truth, why didn't you claim it on D3 or D4 once you realized that 1) I claimed, and 2) both Ty and Salva received drinks N3?
As for BSP, yeah. Nothing has changed there, she just still exists and that's about it.
I have to admit I could totally see town-nin agree with the arsonist.
I hate that I can begrudgingly agree with that sentiment.
Okay, yeah no, I'm not going let you walk away with that. Tell me WHY you're voting for BSP.
I find it really funny how your top scum just happen to line up with the people who have votes on them already.
Mostly the inactivity. BSP could easily be flying under the radar as scum; correct me if I'm wrong, but she hasn't been next to a claimed motion detector all game, and has barely said anything. She's a complete mystery and at best dead weight.
I hate that I can begrudgingly agree with that sentiment.
Nin is usually not very rational in his actions, no matter the game. So I could see him agree with the arsonist without really thinking about the stuff connected to it thoroughly. So I wouldn't really scum read him over it.
Nin is usually not very rational in his actions, no matter the game. So I could see him agree with the arsonist without really thinking about the stuff connected to it thoroughly. So I wouldn't really scum read him over it.
Yeah, yeah, I know. I'm still gonna keep that scenario open, but I'm aware that it's nin we're talking about here.
Bananaspaceprincess
Neo Member
What a beautiful little day start
So I will stick to the things I said last day phase. I think scum will use me a shield to prevent them from getting lynched. My list from yesterday was:
Burb, CzarTim, Fireblend, Xam
I am almost positive that at least one of those is Scum! If you believe me, we work down that list together today. If you don't believe me you lynch me today and work down that list tmr. This might even give you more information because more people will jump on the boat but please keep those first voters in mind anyway.
Unfortunately I am sleeping during the night which means I can't contribute a lot to nightly actions.
Another thing: Seeing Camjos win condition, being the sole winner and all... is it really safe to let Ouro live?
So I will stick to the things I said last day phase. I think scum will use me a shield to prevent them from getting lynched. My list from yesterday was:
Burb, CzarTim, Fireblend, Xam
I am almost positive that at least one of those is Scum! If you believe me, we work down that list together today. If you don't believe me you lynch me today and work down that list tmr. This might even give you more information because more people will jump on the boat but please keep those first voters in mind anyway.
Unfortunately I am sleeping during the night which means I can't contribute a lot to nightly actions.
Another thing: Seeing Camjos win condition, being the sole winner and all... is it really safe to let Ouro live?
Xamtheking
Member
Ouro is not a threat to us in any way, shape or form, if we've been believing him.What a beautiful little day start
So I will stick to the things I said last day phase. I think scum will use me a shield to prevent them from getting lynched. My list from yesterday was:
Burb, CzarTim, Fireblend, Xam
I am almost positive that at least one of those is Scum! If you believe me, we work down that list together today. If you don't believe me you lynch me today and work down that list tmr. This might even give you more information because more people will jump on the boat but please keep those first voters in mind anyway.
Unfortunately I am sleeping during the night which means I can't contribute a lot to nightly actions.
Another thing: Seeing Camjos win condition, being the sole winner and all... is it really safe to let Ouro live?
I believe we would have won with Camjo alive if Camjo was out of ignites.
Unfortunately I am sleeping during the night which means I can't contribute a lot to nightly actions.
Uh, night lasts several IRL days...
Another thing: Seeing Camjos win condition, being the sole winner and all... is it really safe to let Ouro live?
In theory he and I could have both won. He just ends up being the last man standing, as I had already met my win condition earlier.
This are the people I am still looking at closely.
17. Ty4on [m]
09. LaunchpadMcQ [m]
03. BananaSpacePrincess [f]
07. Fireblend [m]
11. Ourobolus [m]
12. RobotNinjaHornets [m]
13. Roytheone [m]
16. Timeaisis [m]
I think I'll leave Ouro alone for now. Launchpad does seem particularly scummy to me, but I feel that no matter how much we pile on him he is not going to change his stance.
BSP seems to me like is doing her best to get under the radar, so she would get my vote as of right now.
Vote: BananaSpacePrincess
17. Ty4on [m]
09. LaunchpadMcQ [m]
03. BananaSpacePrincess [f]
07. Fireblend [m]
11. Ourobolus [m]
12. RobotNinjaHornets [m]
13. Roytheone [m]
16. Timeaisis [m]
I think I'll leave Ouro alone for now. Launchpad does seem particularly scummy to me, but I feel that no matter how much we pile on him he is not going to change his stance.
BSP seems to me like is doing her best to get under the radar, so she would get my vote as of right now.
Vote: BananaSpacePrincess
Oh right, I actually had a thought during the night phase:
Camjo was evil neutral power, who in flavor was called to the wedding to do something else than to be an invited guest (Caterer).
Launch is ???, who in flavor was apparently called to the wedding to do something else than to be an invited guest (Wedding planner).
Is there a connection?
Camjo was evil neutral power, who in flavor was called to the wedding to do something else than to be an invited guest (Caterer).
Launch is ???, who in flavor was apparently called to the wedding to do something else than to be an invited guest (Wedding planner).
Is there a connection?
What a beautiful little day start
So I will stick to the things I said last day phase. I think scum will use me a shield to prevent them from getting lynched. My list from yesterday was:
Burb, CzarTim, Fireblend, Xam
I am almost positive that at least one of those is Scum! If you believe me, we work down that list together today. If you don't believe me you lynch me today and work down that list tmr. This might even give you more information because more people will jump on the boat but please keep those first voters in mind anyway.
Unfortunately I am sleeping during the night which means I can't contribute a lot to nightly actions.
Another thing: Seeing Camjos win condition, being the sole winner and all... is it really safe to let Ouro live?
There are 15 players left and likely four scum, you'd have the same odds picking any four players and saying one is scum. Who is most likely to be scum of those four and why.
This are the people I am still looking at closely.
17. Ty4on [m]
09. LaunchpadMcQ [m]
03. BananaSpacePrincess [f]
07. Fireblend [m]
11. Ourobolus [m]
12. RobotNinjaHornets [m]
13. Roytheone [m]
16. Timeaisis [m]
I think I'll leave Ouro alone for now. Launchpad does seem particularly scummy to me, but I feel that no matter how much we pile on him he is not going to change his stance.
BSP seems to me like is doing her best to get under the radar, so she would get my vote as of right now.
Vote: BananaSpacePrincess
Salva, I have a question for you.
Do you think that Kalor got to know what PR roles the other scum had? If you think he did, why?
Oh right, I actually had a thought during the night phase:
Camjo was evil neutral power, who in flavor was called to the wedding to do something else than to be an invited guest (Caterer).
Launch is ???, who in flavor was apparently called to the wedding to do something else than to be an invited guest (Wedding planner).
Is there a connection?
flavor arguments are lame
flavor arguments are lame
They are, but I still wanted to point it out. The argument wouldn't make Launch scum though, as they are definitely uninvited guests. And I doubt there is any more neutrals other than ouro and camjo.
Salva, I have a question for you.
Do you think that Kalor got to know what PR roles the other scum had? If you think he did, why?
Why would he know that? How would he know that? If its not on the pm, then I heavily doubt he knew.
Also you are still trying to "get" me with this constant questioning about Kalor, and I'll still tell you I don't have any extra information, your guess is as good as mine. Unless you do know something more about Kalor that I don't.
Why would he know that? How would he know that? If its not on the pm, then I heavily doubt he knew.
Also you are still trying to "get" me with this constant questioning about Kalor, and I'll still tell you I don't have any extra information, your guess is as good as mine. Unless you do know something more about Kalor that I don't.
I don't know anything extra.
The question is tied to the End of D2. I asked why Kalor didn't vote for you to save weemad at the end of D2. I argued that if you are scum as well, and Kalor didn't know what scum PR roles there are, he wouldn't know who to save, you or weemad. Also voting either of you two would have made him look bad to other scum, possibly make them try to kill him (since he had claimed commuter and all).
However, if he had known scum PR, my theory wouldn't make sense. He would have saved the GF by voting you, because protecting the GF is most likely the scum priority at that time. And if you were town, Kalor would have definitely voted for you to save weemad.
But he didn't... he didn't vote you.
I don't know anything extra.
The question is tied to the End of D2. I asked why Kalor didn't vote for you to save weemad at the end of D2. I argued that if you are scum as well, and Kalor didn't know what scum PR roles there are, he wouldn't know who to save, you or weemad. Also voting either of you two would have made him look bad to other scum, possibly make them try to kill him (since he had claimed commuter and all).
However, if he had known scum PR, my theory wouldn't make sense. He would have saved the GF by voting you, because protecting the GF is most likely the scum priority at that time. And if you were town, Kalor would have definitely voted for you to save weemad.
But he didn't... he didn't vote you.
Well, he could also decide to not vote me because he knew weemad was scum and I was not, so in case weemad was lynched (Like he did) and it would flip scum he wouldn't be targeted as a suspect, as everyone who voted for me will look like.
Well, he could also decide to not vote me because he knew weemad was scum and I was not, so in case weemad was lynched (Like he did) and it would flip scum he wouldn't be targeted as a suspect, as everyone who voted for me will look like.
It's possible...
But why didn't weemad vote for you until the last second? They kept their vote on Kalor even when it became apparent that Kalor wouldn't be lynched.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
What a beautiful little day start
So I will stick to the things I said last day phase. I think scum will use me a shield to prevent them from getting lynched. My list from yesterday was:
Burb, CzarTim, Fireblend, Xam
I am almost positive that at least one of those is Scum! If you believe me, we work down that list together today. If you don't believe me you lynch me today and work down that list tmr. This might even give you more information because more people will jump on the boat but please keep those first voters in mind anyway.
Unfortunately I am sleeping during the night which means I can't contribute a lot to nightly actions.
Another thing: Seeing Camjos win condition, being the sole winner and all... is it really safe to let Ouro live?
Hmm I retract my earlier statement.
VOTE: BananaSpacePrincess
I don't know anything extra.
The question is tied to the End of D2. I asked why Kalor didn't vote for you to save weemad at the end of D2. I argued that if you are scum as well, and Kalor didn't know what scum PR roles there are, he wouldn't know who to save, you or weemad. Also voting either of you two would have made him look bad to other scum, possibly make them try to kill him (since he had claimed commuter and all).
However, if he had known scum PR, my theory wouldn't make sense. He would have saved the GF by voting you, because protecting the GF is most likely the scum priority at that time. And if you were town, Kalor would have definitely voted for you to save weemad.
But he didn't... he didn't vote you.
The weemad shift happened so fast, even if you saw it happening, would have tainted anyone who dived onto Salva at the last second to save him/her.
It's possible...
But why didn't weemad vote for you until the last second? They kept their vote on Kalor even when it became apparent that Kalor wouldn't be lynched.
Well if the scum plan was to keep their vote on Kalor or dispersed arount and let town lynch me, then why would they need to dirty their hands? Remember than on D2 I made a lot of enemies with my "don't care" attitude or because I voted for them, there is also the fact that I was sleeping during the whole process. If nin hadn't come swinging to save me, I'll be 100% I would have been lynched. Up to that point scum really didn't have to lift a finger to do me in, it was the sudden switch of terra's vote and town following that did weemad in and it was until then that he decided to vote for me, so up to that point scum didn't actually need to vote me out, since town seemed to be doing it by themselves.
If the choice was between two scum players, as in your theory, don't you think scum would feel far more comfortable voting me out at the last moment? I heavily doubt there is a scum role more powerful than godfather, and lynching a scum SalvaPot would have given town points to pretty much the rest of the team, so why didn't this happen?
I think that between the players who either decided to not vote or that were not present is where we should be looking at for our scum suspects, and that is exactly the list I made above.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Or, you may not have seen those swing votes because it was a choice between two mafia...
Yeah, I'm on board.
And I've shared the same feelings on nin as Burb has - up until yesterday. I was more concerned with getting rid of Camjo at the time so I didn't really bring it up, but...
WHAT THE HELL NIN
SERIOUSLY? ARSONIST-CEASE-FIRE-AGREEMENT?
and to a lesser extent, Xam, although I still kinda read Xam as town for now.
well, yeah i considered it. But what the hell in the end i hammered him because he was not straight forward with me.
well, yeah i considered it. But what the hell in the end i hammered him because he was not straight forward with me.
"oh shit my plan isn't working, better just get rid of the arso"
Not that I'm saying that is what happened, but c'mon man. That plan was ridiculous.
If the choice was between two scum players, as in your theory, don't you think scum would feel far more comfortable voting me out at the last moment? I heavily doubt there is a scum role more powerful than godfather, and lynching a scum SalvaPot would have given town points to pretty much the rest of the team, so why didn't this happen?
Because in my theory, rest of the scum were sleeping the situation out, they were most likely AFK during the end.
Thanks for the responses. You're not my main scum candidate at the moment, but I do think that the voting of weemad and Kalor don't exactly make you look towny, you know.
But at the moment, I'm more concerned about the players who are coasting and avoiding being on the spotlight as much as possible. Lot of them overlap with the group of "people who were afk in the end of D2".
I do think that flipping Salva would give us some idea of what happened at the end of D2 completely.
Because in my theory, rest of the scum were sleeping the situation out, they were most likely AFK during the end.
Thanks for the responses. You're not my main scum candidate at the moment, but I do think that the voting of weemad and Kalor don't exactly make you look towny, you know.
But at the moment, I'm more concerned about the players who are coasting and avoiding being on the spotlight as much as possible. Lot of them overlap with the group of "people who were afk in the end of D2".
I do think that flipping Salva would give us some idea of what happened at the end of D2 completely.
Just for the record, it would be a waste of time voting me out. I am still surprised you'll rather look at me than the people who voted or avoided voting for me.
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Salva could have had a better ability than a Godfather, especially with the cop out in the open by N2 (if my memory of events is correct.)
Just for the record, it would be a waste of time voting me out. I am still surprised you'll rather look at me than the people who voted or avoided voting for me.
Your flip would give us lot of information about what the possibile motivations behind some of the votes were.
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But I am more interested in people who avoided voting you or who did. Right now my short-list of people is:
Fireblend
Timeaisis
BSP
Seath
I town read Roy and Ty4on for now (although that goodwill is starting to get off me), so these four are the people who most concern me. There is also Launch, but he is suspicious for other reasons as well as the voting/coasting/blending issues these four definitely have.
What's your opinion on Fireblend, Salva?
"oh shit my plan isn't working, better just get rid of the arso"
Not that I'm saying that is what happened, but c'mon man. That plan was ridiculous.
yeah, it was... thats why i wanted it to happen. But come on. in the end i backed off and voted for him. I am dumb but not retarded mate.
We better get back to the real targets now.
Or do you want me to role claim? I could do that. I feed on attention.
What are you doing Salva. Even if you did role claim at the spot, we both know that scum most likely have PR roles.
Salva could have had a better ability than a Godfather, especially with the cop out in the open by N2 (if my memory of events is correct.)
I mean it's possible but Scrafty was definitely going to check weemad on n2 if they hadn't been lynched. Scum had basically a free shot of making weemad a confirmed town. What PR could possibly be more valuable?
LaunchpadMcQ
Banned
Your flip would give us lot of information about what the possibile motivations behind some of the votes were.
--
But I am more interested in people who avoided voting you or who did. Right now my short-list of people is:
Fireblend
Timeaisis
BSP
Seath
I town read Roy and Ty4on for now (although that goodwill is starting to get off me), so these four are the people who most concern me. There is also Launch, but he is suspicious for other reasons as well as the voting/coasting/blending issues these four definitely have.
What's your opinion on Fireblend, Salva?
Careful with that list, boss. There's something else in there...
HiCall it a gut feeling
It's possible...
But why didn't weemad vote for you until the last second? They kept their vote on Kalor even when it became apparent that Kalor wouldn't be lynched.
Maybe there was scum on Salva and they were scared of dog piling?
Say we have 4 scum remaining, how many would you estimate were AFK during the Wee lynch?
Why Roy?I town read Roy and Ty4on for now (although that goodwill is starting to get off me), so these four are the people who most concern me. There is also Launch, but he is suspicious for other reasons as well as the voting/coasting/blending issues these four definitely have.
Your flip would give us lot of information about what the possibile motivations behind some of the votes were.
--
But I am more interested in people who avoided voting you or who did. Right now my short-list of people is:
Fireblend
Timeaisis
BSP
Seath
I town read Roy and Ty4on for now (although that goodwill is starting to get off me), so these four are the people who most concern me. There is also Launch, but he is suspicious for other reasons as well as the voting/coasting/blending issues these four definitely have.
What's your opinion on Fireblend, Salva?
Honestly Fireblend has not been on my mind, to me he just hasn't been standing out as much as time and BSP did. Seath replaced RNH, who was kind of cleaned by nin's motion tracking. I'll admit I have to read back on fire to form a real opinion.
I have a question for you, what would it tell you if I flipped town?
Honestly Fireblend has not been on my mind, to me he just hasn't been standing out as much as time and BSP did. Seath replaced RNH, who was kind of cleaned by nin's motion tracking. I'll admit I have to read back on fire to form a real opinion.
What about D1? Fire was quite active there.
Honestly Fireblend has not been on my mind, to me he just hasn't been standing out as much as time and BSP did. Seath replaced RNH, who was kind of cleaned by nin's motion tracking. I'll admit I have to read back on fire to form a real opinion.
I have a question for you, what would it tell you if I flipped town?
It would tell me that the scum would most likely want to save weemad by voting you in the final stretch. It would make Fireblend and Launch bit more suspicious, because both of the two voted for you just as there was a votecount posted where you were tying the vote with weemad and Kalor, who had claimed commuter at that time. So for the scum it would be most logical move to vote you, right?
However, I can't really completely believe in that narrative as long as the possibility remains that you are scum instead.
However, I can't really completely believe in that narrative as long as the possibility remains that you are scum instead.
Salva is scum, what changes? Do you think they 'all' stayed at Kalor or were AFK?
Salva is scum, what changes? Do you think they 'all' stayed at Kalor or were AFK?
Well, the people voting on Kalor were you and Roy and Weemad. I town-read both of you two, but I would maybe need re-consider that stance.
As for AFK people, they would fit both Salva-scum and Salva-town, since in both cases they would have been afk.
It would tell me that the scum would most likely want to save weemad by voting you in the final stretch. It would make Fireblend and Launch bit more suspicious, because both of the two voted for you just as there was a votecount posted where you were tying the vote with weemad and Kalor, who had claimed commuter at that time. So for the scum it would be most logical move to vote you, right?
However, I can't really completely believe in that narrative as long as the possibility remains that you are scum instead.
Well, if that will help you in getting scum 100% for sure, then why wait? Vote me out, I honestly don't mind. You are the one who keeps on diverting town's attention, and I feel you are town and your reads are going to be useful, even if you are wrong about me. So if it helps you and everyone else get scum and ultimately win the game I am all for it.
Vote: SalvaPot
Well, if that will help you in getting scum 100% for sure, then why wait? Vote me out, I honestly don't mind. You are the one who keeps on diverting town's attention, and I feel you are town and your reads are going to be useful, even if you are wrong about me. So if it helps you and everyone else get scum and ultimately win the game I am all for it.
Vote: SalvaPot
I want to lynch scum, not town. I'm unsure which one you are, but I don't want to waste a day on lynching accidentally town. Right now my biggest scum read is BSP, because I think scum would want to try to stay in the background. It's the same reason why Timeaisis and Fireblend rub me the wrong way.
What about D1? Fire was quite active there.
Yeah, but he mostly talked about launch, like we all did. Hardly something that sets him apart.
Also, I'm most likely going to die next night at any case.
I don't think scum targeted last night, I think their target was protected.
This reminds me, so launch got a ping last night again, right? What kind of role would target him? It seems useless for scum to try to incriminate him since his role is already used, but I also don't think a doctor would bother protecting him.
Well, if that will help you in getting scum 100% for sure, then why wait? Vote me out, I honestly don't mind. You are the one who keeps on diverting town's attention, and I feel you are town and your reads are going to be useful, even if you are wrong about me. So if it helps you and everyone else get scum and ultimately win the game I am all for it.
Vote: SalvaPot
Salva, you should know voting yourself never looks good. If you want to move on, stop it. As far as I ca tell, you are not a top candidate for anyone.
Regarding Fireblend, his vote for BSP seems like a canned activity post. BSP shortlist of scum seems varied enough to not necessarily be just a copy/paste of other's suspicions, so at least there's that.
I know some of you want to go after inactives today (which inlcludes me) which makes sense, but I really have the most negative read on Launch right now. He's been going back and forth on being suspicious for many people the entire game. And the last day especially has been really odd.
That being said. Launch, who's your #1 right now?
Salva, you should know voting yourself never looks good. If you want to move on, stop it. As far as I ca tell, you are not a top candidate for anyone.
Regarding Fireblend, his vote for BSP seems like a canned activity post. BSP shortlist of scum seems varied enough to not necessarily be just a copy/paste of other's suspicions, so at least there's that.
I know some of you want to go after inactives today (which inlcludes me) which makes sense, but I really have the most negative read on Launch right now. He's been going back and forth on being suspicious for many people the entire game. And the last day especially has been really odd.
That being said. Launch, who's your #1 right now?
I do know it looks bad, that is why I do it.