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[Gamer79]

I know this forum does not like politics but I thought this was relevant because it talks about why games are becoming "woke" or just putting in things that Regular gamers do not like. This effects all of us as Gamers. Dragon Age Veilgard is the latest but not the last. Naughty Dog has it's own woke project in development.

Just takes I got from the video:
+Developers were hired recently with an agenda in mind. They really care if you fall into that "lgbt" group
+A staggering number. Nearly 50% of all game developers coming out of school from ages 18-24 indentify as LGBT. It's like it's become "cool" or a trend
+Politics has clearly invaded our gaming space.
+Many of these game developers and programmers are activist 1st and developers second.

This is insane that the gaming industry has been poisoned with this kind of Ideology. If you wonder why your Favorite franchise takes a weird turn or puts in weird story elements, look at what is happening here.

I will let this Developer speak on his own:

 

[HogIsland]

This is a billion percent politics.

 

[Gamer79]

This is a billion percent politics.

It is but it is also what is happening in our games. This is Why beloved games are becoming twisted.

 

[Killer8]

+A staggering number. Nearly 50% of all game developers coming out of school from ages 18-24 indentify as LGBT. It's like it's become "cool" or a trend

Between Nvidia frame generation and the LGBT developers programming it, you could say that the industry has well and truly become fake and gay.

 

[yogaflame]

Twisted DEI and woke agenda especially pertaining to twisted gender ideology has killed not just gaming but also movie and music industry which is so sad for the whole entertainment industry. Even the Grammy and Oscar became to political and full of leftist and politics that it became a joke. DEI use to have good meaning and intention and its about equal opportunity for everyone for work, promotions, training, skill enhancement and creativity, but it was polluted by groups inserting twisted agendas like transgenderism and gender ideology and force racial and gender selection instead of talent and skills.

Gaming industry is use to be about talent and creativity when it comes to hiring, now its more on DEI and force and push for woke agendas. Now fans and gamers are so fed up that they vote through wallet, and allot of games has flop which affected to industry itself. Hopefully and praying that with this new political climate in USA and common sense is back , and woke is slowly dying world wide, we will have a renaissance of gaming. Asia developers are a big help right now. For Sony's case I hope they go back to Japan and let go off leftist infested California.

 

[March Climber]

+A staggering number. Nearly 50% of all game developers coming out of school from ages 18-24 indentify as LGBT. It's like it's become "cool" or a trend

A quick reminder for all that a large majority of western game development is in California.

 

[HogIsland]

It is but it is also what is happening in our games. This is Why beloved games are becoming twisted.

they're not becoming twisted, you're becoming triggered.

 

[Gamer79]

they're not becoming twisted, you're becoming triggered.

I am not becoming triggered. I will simply not play their games and spend my money on them. Versus triggered where people either protest in the street or make a Screaming video on Blue Sky or something. I am speaking the facts here. People do not want this crap in their games. Only the fringe minority want it.

 

[Elginer]

A quick reminder for all that a large majority of western game development is in California.

This is known. You can’t expect me to believe that out of nowhere we have this sudden boom in gays or transformers. It’s the stupid trendy ass thing to say you are to fit in with their other brainwashed brethren. Sadly come 10 years from now it won’t be like how we looked back on our terrible haircuts and eyebrow piercings some are gonna be “damn I sure do miss my dick.”

 

[March Climber]

they're not becoming twisted, you're becoming triggered.

I hope you're ready.

 

[jason10mm]

The real issue here is that "diversity is our strength" is not true. A monoculture built around work ethic, dedication, cooperation, and unity of purpose is what makes a company great. So for game devs there is no value in having small clusters of employees from non-similar and often opposing cultures as it just creates HR headaches.

What they DO need is a better understanding of the cultures they are using for the story in a game. If you are a japanese dev making a game set in 1890's England, probably should have some cultural experts about that period. Unless of course the intent is to have a rather shallow and stereotypical view. And you would need an audience that either doesn't know any better, doesn't care, or WANTS that "japanese take on victorian england" because they think it adds flavor. Same if a canadian dev wants to make a game set in the American South. Having folks to look over the story, the art, and the depictions, at last if accuracy and authenticity is a goal. And of course you gotta consider the market. If you are TOO specific, especially at the expense of the larger demo, then that could hurt your game because rarely do folks play a game that makes them feel bad, insulted, or talked down to. You can get away with that is those folks are only 5-10% of the overall market, not when they are 80-90%.

Chasing LGBT+++ stuff is like that as well, they are a tiny market segment and are not gonna float your AAA game if the much much larger cishet pop feels dismissed.

 

[ABnormal]

They should just continue ti hire people based on their skill and expertise, regardless of their politics. That's all.

 

[Kacho]

They should just continue ti hire people based on their skill and expertise, regardless of their politics. That's all.

I think they do for the most part. But there is social pressure to conform.

 

[HogIsland]

The real issue here is that "diversity is our strength" is not true. A monoculture built around work ethic, dedication, cooperation, and unity of purpose is what makes a company great. So for game devs there is no value in having small clusters of employees from non-similar and often opposing cultures as it just creates HR headaches.

What they DO need is a better understanding of the cultures they are using for the story in a game. If you are a japanese dev making a game set in 1890's England, probably should have some cultural experts about that period. Unless of course the intent is to have a rather shallow and stereotypical view. And you would need an audience that either doesn't know any better, doesn't care, or WANTS that "japanese take on victorian england" because they think it adds flavor. Same if a canadian dev wants to make a game set in the American South. Having folks to look over the story, the art, and the depictions, at last if accuracy and authenticity is a goal. And of course you gotta consider the market. If you are TOO specific, especially at the expense of the larger demo, then that could hurt your game because rarely do folks play a game that makes them feel bad, insulted, or talked down to. You can get away with that is those folks are only 5-10% of the overall market, not when they are 80-90%.

Chasing LGBT+++ stuff is like that as well, they are a tiny market segment and are not gonna float your AAA game if the much much larger cishet pop feels dismissed.

 

[March Climber]

They should just continue to hire people based on their skill and expertise, regardless of their politics. That's all.

Sometimes they do and people still find an issue

At times it can be a lose/lose situation. I'm still of the mind that the game itself should always be shown and released first and foremost. Save controversial tweets and interviews with devs for afterwards. Give people a good game then surprise them on who made it.

 

[OctopusBox]

Dragon Age Veilguard sure, but saying Naughty Dog has a woke project in the works when all we know is that the protagonist is a bald black woman is a stretch. Im half black and I have several relatives that are bald for various reasons, some of them happen to be bad ass women, nothing woke about it.

If Intergalactic tries to lecture me about how to address a trans person or puts in some performative “top surgery scars”, then we can talk about it being woke.

 

[Gamer79]

They should just continue ti hire people based on their skill and expertise, regardless of their politics. That's all.

I am for that 100% for that.

I care about talent first. Even then most of these people cannot help but to push their agenda's into the games or products they work on.

 

[HogIsland]

Dragon Age Veilguard sure, but saying Naughty Dog has a woke project in the works when all we know is that the protagonist is a bald black woman is a stretch. Im half black and I have several relatives that are bald for various reasons, some of them happen to be bad ass women, nothing woke about it.

If Intergalactic tries to lecture me about how to address a trans person or puts in some performative “top surgery scars”, then we can talk about it being woke.

It's not going to benefit you to tolerate/support antisocial oppression of trans people if you think black people and bad ass women should not be oppressed. The people you're compromising with are coming for you too.