Men and women have different tastes and that's fine. The sooner the gaming industry realizes that, the better
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elbourreau
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You bigots................
MALpractice311
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Same. Or maybe our dicks are so good they can turn fiction into reality on a nightly basis.
LimanimaPT
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OP is speaking generaly.
Zathalus
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While on the whole woman and men do have different tastes, generalisations can also be a trap. Your OP is a perfect example of this. You do not like RDR2 but your wife loves it. If we were to make a poll here asking would men or woman gamers enjoy RDR2 more, I'm sure we can all agree that the vast majority would vote men.
What's the answer here? Not really sure, I think games should probably just be well written and let developers do want they want. Successfully games will sell, while others won't. Targeting a specific demographic or gender probably won't help much, specific game mechanics, and genres probably count more.
What's the answer here? Not really sure, I think games should probably just be well written and let developers do want they want. Successfully games will sell, while others won't. Targeting a specific demographic or gender probably won't help much, specific game mechanics, and genres probably count more.
PlayStaytion
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You're still noob with women when it comes to playing video games, I only care about who outdid me in video games and other hobbies cause from that pov, you're gonna love the hobby in away you haven't seen it before.
Angry_Megalodon
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Groundbreaking stuff right here. Even on Sundays you can learn something new.
On a side note, the funny thing is that western devs DONT make games for women. Let's stop with that fallacy. Infinity Nikki is for women. Intergalactic is not.
On a side note, the funny thing is that western devs DONT make games for women. Let's stop with that fallacy. Infinity Nikki is for women. Intergalactic is not.
Madserb2023
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Broadly women and men are different. Why is the women's clothing section about 5 times the size of the men's. Because women on the whole are more interested in clothes. Of course there will be women who don't care but they will be the minority. In 90% of the world they call this mathematical concept averages, in the West we call it bigotry or colonial math. Everyone knows that not all people are the same, but we are minority lead over here, but you can't run a business like that. Its like releasing machine gun Barbie because 1% of girls might want it.
TheSHEEEP
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You've been on life support for the last 10 years.
Nothing is real.
You need to wake up.
Mankind depends on it.
Wake up, Neo!
Killjoy-NL
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Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
It wasn't an epiphany at all. I realized this 15 years ago. This event just reminded me of that.You have started a thread about what women want. You have one woman who bothers to respond and you are already mansplaining what category she belongs in? Tsk tsk.. It's impossible to have this discussion on GAF, with the atrociously low active female participation. Good luck getting anything useful out of it other than just more anecdotes and memes.
Fwiw, my wife (gasp, another action game lover) is also the exact opposite of everything you said. There are often 10% of most action games enjoyed by women. So let's not treat them as unicorns just because your girl fits the majority narrative. They are not anomalies. The base is too big to ignore. We can agree that the industry is stupid to gender swap and pander lazily, but that's how the industry has always reacted to emerging issues and patterns. Pander and check off boxes. I don't know the solution, but I'm not interested in hearing one from what would inevitably be a one-sided circle jerk here.
Love youGaiff but I'm afraid this is a lost cause! You had some eureka moment playing with your girl. That's cool and interesting. But don't propose solutions for the whole world of action games and women based on it. Especially, if it is just "let's just go back to what we always did"
Statistics also back me up with men having a much stronger preference for violent games than women who have a stronger preference for puzzle games and social ones. Once again, I'm not saying women cannot enjoy the same games as men, I'm saying there is a clear divide in their preferences, but there are also overlaps.
This article goes into depth over the differences.
https://tryevidence.com/blog/report...Maxis) was,ranked second among female players.
Some highlights, including including including case you don't care to read it:
In the U.S., an impressive 64% of mobile gamers are women, compared to just 38% who are men. This trend is particularly evident among women aged 10 to 65, with 65% actively engaging in mobile gaming. Additionally, 76% of mobile gamers who enjoy puzzle games are women. In Poland, this trend continues;
It also says:
A striking 75% of male players report medium to high enjoyment of violent game elements, compared to only 24% of female players.
Of course, there are other studies online that talk about other aspects. Also, this study primarily focuses on Polish women, so the data might not necessarily be identical worldwide, but it is a good starting point.
Gaiff
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The OP takes like 3 minutes to read, come on.
MSduderino
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Women like RDR2? hmmm. My sister liked horse riding at Lon Lon Ranch in OoT when we were kids. Something about horse riding and taking care of horses in games maybe.
Wildebeest
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People are different in plenty of ways, not just gender. Gender differences just seem to stand out more because there is an obvious explanation. The thing about games is that there are big commercial pressures not make games that cater to things only a minority care about or things that exclude huge segments of the market.
I think if you look at RPGs there are examples where there is a clear attempt of some to cater more to "male" players. Souls games have mostly male players. There is a lot of focus on the details of weapons and combat with dialogue being very sparse and characters often being ugly. Then with later Bioware games it is almost the polar opposite. The weapon selection is shit and unsatisfying, combat mediocre, but there is just a ton of yapping with pretty characters. Yap yap yap.
I think if you look at RPGs there are examples where there is a clear attempt of some to cater more to "male" players. Souls games have mostly male players. There is a lot of focus on the details of weapons and combat with dialogue being very sparse and characters often being ugly. Then with later Bioware games it is almost the polar opposite. The weapon selection is shit and unsatisfying, combat mediocre, but there is just a ton of yapping with pretty characters. Yap yap yap.
hemo memo
You can't die before your death
I remember watching my two cousins play Vice City back in the day. I found it so boring thinking "Is this all you do? Just drive around?" And that's exactly what they did. They knew the map inside and out, yet they never touched the campaign. I on the other hand, finished Vice City and every GTA game after. They probably play GTA online now which is the complete opposite of why I play GTA.
hemo memo
You can't die before your death
You would be surprised. They kept shoving multiplayer into single-player games for ages before realizing how stupid it was.Damn the industry is really cooked if they have yet to realize obvious shit like that
lughnasadh123
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I think the matter is far, far more complicated and nuanced than what anyone is really going to get into here. It's a bit of yes and no quite honestly.
Laptop1991
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It's mostly true, not for all men and women of course, but i know and have known far more male gamers than women and the ones that i do know don't play the FPS shooters or Opem world games as much as men although my daughter does now and then lol, women like different games on the whole, like the Sims and others, but so do we also, but it is being forced and promoted too much by the game industry and film and media etc, that's the issue and what puts you off, it's not natural and agenda driven.
The Cockatrice
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Too late to change. The industry has a lot of women in charge. They wont budge or reconsider anything. Every game now has to please everyone. Corporates now have mandatory training regrading these things. If a company is going to make a violent game you can bet ur ass theyll look into how to attract everyone towards their game.
Korean culture and chinese one are the only ones that make games specifically for men for now anyway.
Korean culture and chinese one are the only ones that make games specifically for men for now anyway.
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Angry_Megalodon
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Women (straight women) love manly guys, like every other normal person like an attractive character of the opposite side. The self-insert fantasy only works if the character is appealing, since nobody wants to be characterized as an androgynous freak (unless the person has some kind of mental desease).
The bottom line of the OP could be summed up in: men and women have different tastes and EVEN if they like the same game, they do it FOR DIFFERENT REASONS.
One sentence.
Woopah
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In general sense that is true. But it doesn't mean that should dictate the gender of the protagonist.
seething left
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It will also accomplish that a lot of companies will loose a lot of money. In fact, it already has accomplished that a lot of times.
PeteBull
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Now compare her gaming spending to urs, bro, some women game, but mostly either game on their phones or are playing consoles/games of their brothers/boyfriends/fathers/fiances/husbands, thats why for example newest DA:V did so poorly sales wise, dev studio/publisher thought that women gonna buy full priced AAA game targeted 100% towards females, and suprise surpise, it had terrible sales numbers vs previous DA:I that sold 12m copies
And guess what, when newest DA targettet women for obvious reason it became awful game from pov of most men, including longtime franchise fans like myself, so we didnt buy it, at all, hell it was so bad EA knew no1 even gonna pirate it on PC so they decided to not put denuvo on it(25k usd monthly upkeep cost), simply coz they knew the cost for keeping denuvo is higher than those few copies that gonna be pirated even at launch.
Hardcore female gamer who spends few k usd/year on gaming hobby like many of us here on GAF are as rare as finding 21yo female(!) virgin in a western country nowadays, it does happen but its basically unicorn u only hear stories about from "friend of a friend", male equivalent would be a guy who is a nanny or a kindergarten teacher
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kruis
Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
An old article from 2017, but probably similar to now. Although more females will play shooters now due to Fortnite.
Without even knowing the survey results back then, pretty sure every gamer would come to similar kinds of assumptions. Which ended up true. It's just life. Men and women have different preferences in stuff. Doesn't matter if it's games, movies, what kind of car to drive or what food to order at a restaurant.
Beyond 50/50: Breaking Down The Percentage of Female Gamers By Genre
Using the data we have from over 270,000 gamers, we’ve put together some findings on the percentage of female gamers across game genres.quanticfoundry.com
And somehow we ended up in a world where both devs and journos pretend this reality either doesn't exist or if they are aware of this dichotomy, that it must be corrected so female gamers feel more "welcome" (usually at the expense of traditionally male audience).
seething left
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Lol, that game will be garbage.
Which is a good thing. I really enjoy seeing western devs and western gaming publications dying an economical death because of their self-inflicted mental disabilities. The sooner they're all gone, the better place will this planet become.
I can't even remember when I last spent money on a game published by a western publisher.
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viveks86
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Of course the statistics back you up. I'm not disagreeing that at all. I'm saying the 24% in your own stat is not a trivial number. I even downplayed that to 10% to make my point. If they were 1% or less, your conclusions are valid. Otherwise they are too statistically significant
Gaiff
SBI’s Resident Gaslighter
Oh, I get it, but the point I'm making is really that the girlbosse characters they're going for won't move the needle when it comes to getting more women into the sorts of games they make. Lara Croft was a trailblazer and I'm sure that back in the late 90s when women were probably a much smaller minority than they are now, she did attract more of them. These days though? I don't think it's doing anything. Of course, you might disagree with the premise that they even make those games to widen the female appeal in the first place, which is fine as well.
The stories in the OP were more of what led to me creating this thread. I often open up with those little anecdotes.
brock sexy lesnar
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Straight men also like shirtless men.Men like Blood and Titties
Women like Farming and shirtless men
And that's Okay!
Xbox 360 slim
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Nobody has an issue with female characters, it's when they start these franchises with males, and then make sequels with females for no other reason, other than, WOMEN CAN DO IT TOO.
kubricks
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Men and women are different.
Most gamers are men, whether the industry like it or not.
It's not political, it's common sense.
Most gamers are men, whether the industry like it or not.
It's not political, it's common sense.
Women can be dicks yes. And no, they don't have one.
Dirk Benedict
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I see your romcom and raise you a true detective.
TintoConCasera
I bought a sex doll, but I keep it inflated 100% of the time and use it like a regular wife
What about they/thems? What do they/them play?
viveks86
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Elfstar
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The thing is that they came up with this magical, immaginary female audience who completely adheres to their rigid, weirdo male feminist fantasies, which are very simplistic and childlike, so they convinced themselves they're craving to play violent action games and shooters as angry ugly butches and all that laughable stupid shit.
"Honey, why is your in-game husband sitting in the corner while all the neighbors, who just so happen to look like NFL linebackers, are crowded around your character in the bedroom?"
Beretta
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Straight men also like shirtless men.
Scrolling through a thread and not being ready for gifs of my all time video game babe is not good for my heart. My video game husband is so handsome.
Anyway, I'm a video game whore with my game list all over the place but just to name some of my favorite franchises of all time: Resident Evil, GTA, Assassin's Creed, RDR, Batman Arkham series, Mortal Kombat, Streets of Rage, WWE, Alan Wake, Spider-Man, Silent Hill, The Last of Us, Super Mario, Call of Duty, Mafia, Sonic the Hedgehog, just to name a few. A few weeks ago, my PS5 did this weird thing where I turned it on and the colors were fucked up, I almost died that day thinking of life without my PlayStation. I restarted it and it was fine and then I took a moment to let it sink in how pathetic my reaction was to a console, it was like someone robbed my life of all purpose. Then I booted up CoD to shoot strangers and instantly felt better.
viveks86
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There are two reasons for the gender swapping:
- Virtue signaling to female gamers and devs
- Actual fatigue making male centric character designs
At the end of the day, I don't believe a female gamer or competent dev actually cares which gender the character is as long as the story being told is consistent. My wife has no trouble playing as Leon, Joel, James, Max Payne or Indy. Nor did she with old or new Lara Crofts. Not once does the issue of gender or violence come up. And I have no issues playing as Aloy, Ellie, Abby or even a trans character. She prefers shooting mofos and skipping cutscenes. I'm the one petting animals, analyzing characters and reading every journal.
The only people who actually whine about this are men, who have (understandably) become hypersensitive to "woke" over corrections. That too shall pass.