[Game Developer] ZeniMax staff lambast chaotic Xbox layoffs: 'It's difficult to work when you're looking at a graveyard'

MS are utterly pathetic and a cancer to this industry. So many talented people losing their jobs due to the incompetence of Phil and Co. running the brand into the ground. So many potential games and IP's cancelled or turned to shite. How in the bloody hell does Phil and Booty still hold the positions they are in?
It's not the talented people you have the worry about. They'll choose a new job on the way home. It's the barely competent people who will struggle. They have a degree thanks to a C- average and do their job well enough not to get immediately walked out.
 
So you think the solution is to, indeed, whine and complain? Having a career is not easy, and everyone is responsible for their own success, like it or not. People can either recognize this and manage their lives accordingly ... or not.

Encouraging people to be the best they can be and not be corporate bootlicking are not mutually exclusive
 
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Decades worth of knowledge kicked to the curb?

Has anyone played the vast majority of games coming out from MS gaming in the last 10+ years?
The issue with your second question and earlier statement is that it implies only the studios that delivered bad products received cuts.

Theoretically, if one is working for Zenimax Online Studios and their ESO game made Microsoft 2 Billion+ in under 10 years, their reward should have been, at a bare minimum, a second project.

Instead they received a huge cut to resources and their new game, close to being beta-ready, was cancelled. Things like that make the cuts feel chaotic and that kills staff morale.
 
Someone do an AI pic of a green graveyard with Xbox/all the hit studios on the tombstones!
Quickest I could do. :)

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Someone do an AI pic of a green graveyard with Xbox/all the hit studios on the tombstones!
Not the best and could have done with some photoshopping, but here you go.

Side note, there has to be a bit of an exodus from MS, things weren't exactly all sunshine and rainbows even before the layoffs. A good friend used to work for coalition, said it was a chaotic dev hell shit show there. He moved to a well funded AA company a couple year ago, and is finding it far more enjoyable.
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Imagine all those cuckold Xbox fantards that were frothing at the mouth at the idea of MS buying up all the best 3rd party devs in the industry.

Imagine being so fucking obtuse that you weren't able to see that the complete ineptitude of MGS to ship first party games prior to all these acquisitions, wasn't just going to magically disappear once all the acquisitions were complete.

At one point in the past, when they bought Zenimax, I thought Spencer might have been smart enough to shitcan all the MGS execs and let the Zenimax folks run both Zenimax and all the pre-existing Xbox studios.... but nah!! Fucktard Spencer instead just subordinates all the competent Zenimax folks to him and his team of fucking clueless wankers.
To be fair, I think a lot of the objections were mainly because it would be anti-competitive for MS to buy up half the damn gaming industry and keep all these huge franchises/publishers from supporting other platforms.

I certainly didn't expect them to have such weak output this gen and to be canceling games several years in development + shutting down studios. That takes a level of incompetence I didn't think possible.
 
"I recognize that these changes come at a time when we have more players, games, and gaming hours than ever before. Our platform, hardware, and game roadmap have never looked stronger." - Phil Spencer

This is what puzzles me the most. Is he lying, or are we all wrong and Xbox is actually doing fine? Only Microsoft knows.
 
Layoffs suck but just put your head down and work your ass off and stop complaining

I couldn't count the amount of times during my career good people were let go, it made me work harder afraid I was next
...and when Boss saw this big-ass Hoosier waving a heavy duty bat, he thought that it would be a pity if he let go of all that hard work coming down on him like an Old Testament Archangel, so...

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Layoffs suck but just put your head down and work your ass off and stop complaining

I couldn't count the amount of times during my career good people were let go, it made me work harder afraid I was next

Generally good advice. Unfortunately, this doesn't look like a situation where being a hard worker means you get to keep your job. I'm sure folks are doing all that and still getting canned.
 
It's not the talented people you have the worry about. They'll choose a new job on the way home. It's the barely competent people who will struggle. They have a degree thanks to a C- average and do their job well enough not to get immediately walked out.
If any of that was true, a lot managers would be without a job. But those usually are the cockroaches. 🪳
 
It sucks - but I have heard some horrible layoff stories that make this seem like a positively pleasant experience.
 
It sucks - but I have heard some horrible layoff stories that make this seem like a positively pleasant experience.
This is an article regarding Amazon layoffs from an Eastern European country. It mentioned that the people laid off are required to do training/handover to Indians who are taking their place.

https://gadget.ro/tupeu-de-corporat...rea-indienilor-care-le-iau-locurile-de-munca/

This is a quote from an employee....

"We're now being asked to create a classification of all the work tasks specific to our teams and to sketch out a Proof of Concept for training, along with a time estimate for training — shadowing, reverse shadowing, audits, etc.
Basically, our teams have to train the teams in India so they can take over our work processes.
Hahaha, we naïvely thought we'd be replaced by AI."

In this case AI = Another Indian
 
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This is an article regarding Amazon layoffs from an Eastern European country. It mentioned that the people laid off are required to do training/handover to Indians who are taking their place.

https://gadget.ro/tupeu-de-corporat...rea-indienilor-care-le-iau-locurile-de-munca/
I heard from someone when a location was shut-down - they turned up to work to find it locked and armed guards outside. They then separated people into two groups - one group got put on buses to a hotel. There was a reception at the hotel with food etc and then they were told that they had all been fired, but please enjoy some finger food.
 
I completely understand how it feels when company morale is low. Been there, done that. But I also agree largely with HeisenbergFX4 HeisenbergFX4 in that complaining publicly doesn't solve much.

Not sure I fully agree with the whole bootstraps analogy but this feels more like a situation where the serenity prayer - whether you believe or not - would be more apt:

God, grant me the serenity To accept the things I cannot change, The courage to change the things I can, And the wisdom to know the difference.

Most of these corporate machinations are out of the workers' control. It's pointless to fret over them and let them ruin your day. The most one can do is keep working and, should the axe fall, hope that your skills and effort help you land on your feet elsewhere.

(Sorry for all the quick edits but my tablet's digitizer freaked out and kept triggering the submit button.)
 
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Microsoft is doing a solid job at destroying morale among their studios. Sure it's easy to say 'appreciate you still have a job and keep doing solid work', but even big projects and big studios suffered from the recent layoffs and you can't feel safe about your future. People's motivation and productivity will decrease if they're afraid they may be next.

If you're still young I'd definitely recommend obtaining new skills and changing your line of work to a more stable one. Or getting a job working for Nintendo. ;)
 
If any of that was true, a lot managers would be without a job. But those usually are the cockroaches. 🪳
If? Do you know any highly talented people who can't find a job? The only instances this could happen is if they chose some extremely obscure field of study. Certainly not the case in the video games industry. Management is a whole different thing. It's not about talent, but rather willingness to do awful things to good people. Apples and oranges. But I am curious to the highly talented people you know that aren't able to find a job. We might have some bad news for you regarding their abilities...
 
Who is the complaining helping?

More like grieving because I don't think they can do anything. Look, its MS I'm pretty sure if they would deliver mass numbers they would still be on their way off to the chopping block. Otherwise that devs from
Hi-Fi Rush would be still be there.
Saying something like "do better your job" will not work here, MS probably don't give a fuck.
 
If? Do you know any highly talented people who can't find a job? The only instances this could happen is if they chose some extremely obscure field of study. Certainly not the case in the video games industry. Management is a whole different thing. It's not about talent, but rather willingness to do awful things to good people. Apples and oranges. But I am curious to the highly talented people you know that aren't able to find a job. We might have some bad news for you regarding their abilities...

Your talent is only one factor in your chance to secure a job. Your ability to game the ever evolving application process and the state of the job market, both of which are in dire states. Incredibly naive to think just being good in your role is enough to get you back on your feet in the short term
 
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These job reassignments actually help reduce risk, allowing creators across Microsoft's Family of Studios to incubate and innovate to find new ways to surprise and delight our players.
 
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The gaming industry in awful position and Microsoft (gaming part) is worst, but the hyperbole of the gaming industry employees is of the roof. They should go to work as cashiers in Walmart if they work in so awful conditions.
Don't judge a man until you walk a mile in his shoes.

I would not want to live the day that these people lived and wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.
 
Don't judge a man until you walk a mile in his shoes.

I would not want to live the day that these people lived and wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.
Thousand or millions lose their job everyday in the world. It's part of life, we like it or not.
Losing the job sucks, but is not the special event that people make it to be.

I lost the job because of cost cuts, but never crossed my mind to go on twitter or linkedin.
No corporation deserves your dedication. All of them are the same and will do the same if the situation would require cost cuts. MS is not the only unicorn that does that.
 
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This is unfortunate but im not gonna act like game devs have it any worse than some other fields.

Plenty have careers have similar stories. You just keep your head down and keep working or find another career.

Its happened to millions upon millions of factory workers and its gonna be white collar jobs this time.
 
It's true. Layoffs are the worst. It's awful when you're impacted, and it's awful when you're not. It's wild how companies will put their employees through that but then expect them to continue to work as if nothing ever happened, lmao.
 
The board members (owners) of Zenimax were very stupid. Instead of using all that Skyrim money to expand Tes and Fallout they were whoring themselves out to sell the company.
 
It does suck when people who are talented and dedicated to their jobs are fired, but can you imagine if the everyday person got this exposure for being sacked? These articles are getting a bit much and the quotes are giving off a more and more "I'm a dramatic teenager" vibe.

I don't think I've ever had a job that involved someone being fired that had this much emotion drag on for so long and by the fucking people still employed in the same place.

I'm genuinely not trying to sound heartless, but this is getting embarrassing from all sides. Maybe them making games has made them lose touch of the real world and the shite that goes with it.
gosh, no! I mean, that could never ever happen!...
 
To be fair, I think a lot of the objections were mainly because it would be anti-competitive for MS to buy up half the damn gaming industry and keep all these huge franchises/publishers from supporting other platforms.

Yes, and those objections were 100% well founded. From the court docs we learned from MS own internal communications that this was EXACTLY what they intended to do. Quite
why anyone chose to continue to support them after that is utterly baffling.

I certainly didn't expect them to have such weak output this gen and to be canceling games several years in development + shutting down studios. That takes a level of incompetence I didn't think possible.

Why?!? MS's entire history in the console gaming industry has been a laundry list of cancelled games and shuttered studios. They've been playing this game since Mattrick was at the helm. So, this level of incompetence isn't new. They've been demonstrating it for a long ass time. I dunno why many were living in willful ignorance.
 
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