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[Knucklepux]

If this happened in 2030, I could see wokies calling for the death of Charlie's family too "make sure they don't reproduce!!"

That's how they're progressing. They've dehumizied conservatives(even moderates).

Granted the extreme right is really bad, but the far left is beyond vile.

The biggest problem I see on the right are leaders like trump not being more balanced and decent. Not lowering the flag half mast when 2 democrat senators were murdered?? Yeah fuck you and I probably don't agree with those senators. That was beyond bullshit and no amount of spin can save it.

Boy have I got news for you.

There has already been plenty of tweets to kill his wife so the kids grow up in foster care and learn to hate their parents

They evacuated the area around the Kirk's home due to credible threats

There has even been direct tweets suggesting murder of the kids so they don't grow up to follow in his footsteps

Make no mistake. These people are pure sub human scum

 

[powder]

Trump was only brought up because you, seemingly unnecessarily, made sure to include him in your first post.

Charlie Kirk isn't and wasn't free from criticism, I have no issue with people disagreeing vocally about his beliefs, ideologies et al. That's what the guy wanted; he welcomed the debate.

It's the fact that you're seemingly leaving out giant amounts of context on WHY it matters that these people are getting fired, and specifically why it matters to me.

It matters in general and to for myself personally because I believe we should have a cultural and societal set of morals - maybe you don't agree, obviously many don't, but many (and I'd wager more than don't) do have the same opinions as I do.

It is completely demonic to have people smear and lie about a man and celebrate his death openly, the same crowd who tried to destroy and cancel someone if they dare to say men and women were not interchangeable.

At the end of the day, my libertarian streak still wins out because I can agree to disagree with you if don't think my perspective is "right". I am not going to sit here and try and convince anyone to my side of the moral argument. I will, just like anyone, be staunch in my mores and values;

read my words very carefully.

openly and vocally celebrating his assassination is sick. It's not moral. There is no gray area. It's not subjective for us as humans ti agree to disagree that it's "okay" to celebrate it.

And I would be sat here saying the same thing, god forbid, if it were a lefty avatar who'd had the same thing perpetrated and the right were justifying it.

In closing, Sure, you or anyone who hated Kirk can openly celebrate it… But, there in lies the moral quandary. If this is an acceptable moral stance because one side has allowed it to be so, because it's their definition of an "enemy"- than god help us.

Who is smearing and lying about Kirk? Because they call him racist and the like? Did he not say say black people are biologically inferior? This is my problem with the sympathizers, you all seem to have a particular mental image of this guy and have amnesia whenever someone brings up or shares things he said in his own words.

Kirk was a grifter, plain and simple, he was largely a vessel for rich conservatives. You don't get 12 million dollars and three multimillion dollar properties from debating college kids on campus. You get it from paid speaking engagements, rich conservative assholes, and wealthy organizations who will line your pockets to continue amassing a young audience of new conservatives that will continue to carry the water of a self serving conservative ideology. That's really what it was all about.

I think that's what much of the insensitivity is stemming from. There's nothing admirable about what he was doing and I think it's disingenuous to suggest otherwise. Do I think he should have been murdered? No, but the fact is that he was. He's gone now, and people are going to say what they want from all sides, it's just how it is. Time will wash over all this shit and people will be on to the next outrage next week.

 

[Hohenheim]

It's really sad and scary to take a deep look into the politics, political violence, wars, chaos and endless waves of hate and darkness that seem to fill most parts of the world these days.

It's probably been like this forever, but getting it all on our screens all the time (all over the world) is rough.

This forum used to be a place where we could forget about all that for a little while, and discuss out common passion: video games.
But lately it seems like it's slowly turning into a "right vs left" forum, where politics get stuck into every other thread.
This thread is obviously the most recent (and extreme) example. On a video game forum where the politics section is supposed to be nuked.

I get that people are scared, angry, confused and triggered by a lot of the madness going on in this world, but it's sad to see this place, being a video game forum, where one is supposed to forget about all the bad shit for a while, is a place where all this shit is getting more attention than actual video games.

Stay safe, everyone.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

It's really sad and scary to take a deep look into the politics, political violence, wars, chaos and endless waves of hate and darkness that seem to fill most parts of the world these days.

It's probably been like this forever, but getting it all on out screens all the time (all over the world) is rough.

This forum used to be a place where we could forget about all that for a little while, and discuss out common passion: video games.
But lately it seems like it's slowly turning into a "right vs left" forum, where politics get stuck into every other thread.
This thread is obviously the most recent (and extreme) example. On a video game forum where the politics section is supposed to be nuked.

I get that people are scared, angry, confused and triggered by a lot of the madness going on in this world, but it's sad to see this place, being a video game forum, where one is supposed to forget about all the bad shit for a while, is a place where all this shit is getting more attention than actual video games.

Stay safe, everyone.

Fair point.

But this event would had been limited to the Charlie Kirk thread in OT if video game employees weren't jumping up and down happy about the shooting on social media. The OT thread has nothing to do with gaming employees.

 

[Romulus]

Boy have I got news for you.

There has already been plenty of tweets to kill his wife so the kids grow up in foster care and learn to hate their parents

They evacuated the area around the Kirk's home due to credible threats

There has even been direct tweets suggesting murder of the kids so they don't grow up to follow in his footsteps

Make no mistake. These people are pure sub human scum

Wtf

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Who is smearing and lying about Kirk? Because they call him racist and the like? Did he not say say black people are biologically inferior? This is my problem with the sympathizers, you all seem to have a particular mental image of this guy and have amnesia whenever someone brings up or shares things he said in his own words.

Kirk was a grifter, plain and simple, he was largely a vessel for rich conservatives. You don't get 12 million dollars and three multimillion dollar properties from debating college kids on campus. You get it from paid speaking engagements, rich conservative assholes, and wealthy organizations who will line your pockets to continue amassing a young audience of new conservatives that will continue to carry the water of a self serving conservative ideology. That's really what it was all about.

I think that's what much of the insensitivity is stemming from. There's nothing admirable about what he was doing and I think it's disingenuous to suggest otherwise. Do I think he should have been murdered? No, but the fact is that he was. He's gone now, and people are going to say what they want from all sides, it's just how it is. Time will wash over all this shit and people will be on to the next outrage next week.

What's the actual quote of him calling black people biologically inferior?

I think it's disingenious to downplay his role in college campus debates over weak misconstructions of what he's said

 

[powder]

What's the actual quote of him calling black people biologically inferior?

I think it's disingenious to downplay his role in college campus debates over weak misconstructions of what he's said

Go look it up, easily available even on social media.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Go look it up, easily available even on social media.

No, i'm asking you to source it and quote it word for word.

 

[Abysse]

Meanwhile in Brazil...

(Enable auto subtitles)

There is no salvation.

 

[yurinka]

Bezos fix your shit

Before calling out Satya Nutella, now Jeff Boozes... seems Musk is taking this seriously.

 

[CLW]

Go look it up, easily available even on social media.

Source? Trust me bruh

 

[SuperC]

They are getting destroyed in the TY comments

Sucker punch will never again see a penny from me!!RIP Charlie

So is this the evil dev that celebrates the man's death?

I will be passing after the Senior Staff Character Artist named Drew Harrison mocked the death of Charlie Kirk.

I'll be saving some money and time. Thanks for letting us know what you guys are all about.

Playstation should distance themselves from game developers who public celebrate the death of Charlie Kirk.

I will never buy a game from developers who celebrates a murder in social media

Why is your senior employee celebrating publicly the death of a person ?

Thank your dev and actor for making my decision easy. I will not pay for sick idealogy.

The Sucker Punch devs are laughing at cold blooded murder. I hope they get what is coming to them.

 

[WellSheet]

Who is smearing and lying about Kirk? Because they call him racist and the like? Did he not say say black people are biologically inferior? This is my problem with the sympathizers, you all seem to have a particular mental image of this guy and have amnesia whenever someone brings up or shares things he said in his own words.

Kirk was a grifter, plain and simple, he was largely a vessel for rich conservatives. You don't get 12 million dollars and three multimillion dollar properties from debating college kids on campus. You get it from paid speaking engagements, rich conservative assholes, and wealthy organizations who will line your pockets to continue amassing a young audience of new conservatives that will continue to carry the water of a self serving conservative ideology. That's really what it was all about.

I think that's what much of the insensitivity is stemming from. There's nothing admirable about what he was doing and I think it's disingenuous to suggest otherwise. Do I think he should have been murdered? No, but the fact is that he was. He's gone now, and people are going to say what they want from all sides, it's just how it is. Time will wash over all this shit and people will be on to the next outrage next week.

I have watched dozens and dozens of interviews, debates and critiques of Kirk and never once has he said black people are biologically inferior - burden of proof is on you to provide in context evidence; not some of context clip.

He has commented many times on the culture - this connects to his comments and views on Jim Crow era and how the welfare state that Democrats installed has led to massive fatherlessness and instability in the African and black American culture.

I can source you multitudes of examples how he was an advocate for HUMANITY. Maybe you don't agree with his social stances, I didn't with all either. But you're reaching bud.

If you can call Kirk a grifter because he made money off of doing something he was good at, obviously had a passion for and created commerce around it, we can easily apply that to any remotely successful person in almost any socio-political sphere who makes money.

What a disingenuous argument you've made.

Justify your bullshit and callous nature however you want because you don't like him, his politics or his beliefs. That's your right. It's also your right to be a liar and smear him because instead of putting forth a moral stance of "I didn't agree with him, but celebration and open calls for more violence are wrong" you justify anyones "right" to advocate by lying.

 

[WellSheet]

Source? Trust me bruh

If anything, he will find out of context cuts that when taken in full context won't be what he is trying to say will justify his views.

Again, his right to be callous. That makes him cool, right?

 

[powder]

I have watched dozens and dozens of interviews, debates and critiques of Kirk and never once has he said black people are biologically inferior - burden of proof is on you to provide in context evidence; not some of context clip.

He has commented many times on the culture - this connects to his comments and views on Jim Crow era and how the welfare state that Democrats installed has led to massive fatherlessness and instability in the African and black American culture.

I can source you multitudes of examples how he was an advocate for HUMANITY. Maybe you don't agree with his social stances, I didn't with all either. But you're reaching bud.

If you can call Kirk a grifter because he made money off of doing something he was good at, obviously had a passion for and created commerce around it, we can easily apply that to any remotely successful person in almost any socio-political sphere who makes money.

What a disingenuous argument you've made.

Justify your bullshit and callous nature however you want because you don't like him, his politics or his beliefs. That's your right. It's also your right to be a liar and smear him because instead of putting forth a moral stance of "I didn't agree with him, but celebration and open calls for more violence are wrong" you justify anyones "right" to advocate by lying.

 

[Gexxy1]

Go look it up, easily available even on social media.

lol. Out of context quotes don't count. I'll use actual evidence then.

He called Thomas Sowell (black economist) a "genius" and urged his followers to "listen to him."

Here's a 35 minute podcast of him jizzing over how smart Thomas Sowell is

Quotes from it:
"If every American under the age of 18 was properly exposed to Thomas Sowell...America's problems would be largely fixed almost instantly."
"He is someone who I think is an American hero."
"Someone who got me to look at the world differently and correctly."




I can do Candace Owens or a bunch of other blacks (who you probably don't know) who have posted their experiences with him online. Stop falling for low quality bait on social media for leftists who don't want you to feel too bad about a man who did nothing but debate with words and stats and was shot in the throat for it.

 

[Bojji]

First 3 things are true, not racist.

4 is his personal opinion about those women, saying that "x person is stupid" has nothing to do with race of that person. We can only call white people stupid or what?

 

[powder]

I can source you multitudes of examples how he was an advocate for HUMANITY

I have watched dozens and dozens of interviews, debates and critiques of Kirk and never once has he said black people are biologically inferior - burden of proof is on you to provide in context evidence; not some of context clip.

He has commented many times on the culture - this connects to his comments and views on Jim Crow era and how the welfare state that Democrats installed has led to massive fatherlessness and instability in the African and black American culture.

I can source you multitudes of examples how he was an advocate for HUMANITY. Maybe you don't agree with his social stances, I didn't with all either. But you're reaching bud.

If you can call Kirk a grifter because he made money off of doing something he was good at, obviously had a passion for and created commerce around it, we can easily apply that to any remotely successful person in almost any socio-political sphere who makes money.

What a disingenuous argument you've made.

Justify your bullshit and callous nature however you want because you don't like him, his politics or his beliefs. That's your right. It's also your right to be a liar and smear him because instead of putting forth a moral stance of "I didn't agree with him, but celebration and open calls for more violence are wrong" you justify anyones "right" to advocate by lying.

Yeah, these are definitely the words of a humanitarian.

 

[Mr Moose]

The first one is about the pot smoking WNBA player who was arrested in Russia, I assume. Great quote you got there.

 

[WellSheet]

again, these are comments are culture:

You can not like his stance, but he is attacking the culture that the left perpetuated- race based hiring, sex based discrimination etc -

what was the CONTEXT of him saying this? Again out of context - you can not like his words but WHY is he saying it? What's the overall conversation around these topics?

The reframing of topics about a white person talking about race relations, culture and society are just inherently racist and sexist to someone like you. We can have other races comment vile and racist shit against white people; and men in particular, and it's a-o fucking Kay! But someone, in mundanity even, fights back with data and viewpoints about it to the opposing side and its racism. Bullshit.

If he sat there and said what you ORIGINALLY SAID HE HAD - "that black people were biologically inferior" I'd agree that would be a hateful statement based on race.

He is engaging in the culture war topics that were shoved in our faces and saying fairly mundane observations.

Nice try.

 

[Omnipunctual Godot]

I am glad to see that, unlike previous comparable events of the last decade, there has been peaceful observation, not riots and destruction.

 

[Angry_Megalodon]

Yeah, these are definitely the words of a humanitarian.

Are they factually incorrect? I dont know about the first, but second are third are easy to confirm with a quick lookup.

 

[laynelane]

Reddit, BS and (to a lesser extent) Discord really only moderate one side though. I think this does lead people into thinking 'well if everyone is saying this somewhere as mainstream as Reddit then not only is it ok for me to say it, but I have to say it to fit in with the group'.

Opposing views on Reddit will often be downvoted to oblivion, thus further giving the impression that 'everyone' holds that 'correct' view. The whole way it is built discourages dissent and rewards and encourages groupthink. Add a ton of bots into the mix and you are creating people with a very warped sense of what the irl society around them actually thinks.

Views which are equally as violent in nature as those regularly expressed and allowed from the left on Reddit would be instantly banned if they were coming from the right. Often, simply disagreeing and expressing a right leaning but widely held (irl) opinion would be an instant ban.

Before Twitter was bought, every major online platform operated with this same 'rules for one side but not the other' approach. This is why Elon became so hated overnight: his purchase of Twitter instantly destroyed the left's ability to unilaterally decide which views were permitted to be expressed online and even which news was allowed to spread online, at least on any significant platform.

That's why I stopped going to Reddit. There's a very real sense that people aren't necessarily saying what they think - they're actually saying what is deemed 'acceptable' by the group, ie. what will get the most upvotes. It leads to a toxic hivemind mentality where people say the most outlandish and vile things and that is the 'right' and only way to comment on most subjects. When there's no room for disagreement and opposing viewpoints, it just feels meaningless to participate in the conversation.

It also always felt immature to me too. You know how when you're a child and a teen, it's normal to go along with the group - to fit in despite your preferences? Well, that's expected for an undeveloped mind but the idea is that as we mature, we become capable of making our own decisions and having our own thoughts and viewpoints. It's like that process, that maturing, has not occurred when you see people celebrating an execution, the people upvoting, and the people who follow that with even more tactless and gross comments. This is another reason I stopped visiting Reddit and never even started with most social media. The exchange of ideas is anything but that in many cases - instead it's immaturity, conformity, and toxicity. Just vile, overall.

 

[WellSheet]

Are they factually incorrect? I dont know about the first, but second are third are easy to confirm with a quick lookup.

Again, he can not like CK's viewpoints, but nothing here is hateful. Nothing here is what he even original said were Kirk's viewpoints.

The goalpost in modern social and cultural discussions has become so perverted and moved so far that these comments are "racist" and "sexist" just because h was a white man, where as the justification for far worse said on somebody like CNN's Abby Phillips' nightly show about white people are totally fine.

It's a double standard. It's easy to call out.

 

[Mr Moose]

Are they factually incorrect? I dont know about the first, but second are third are easy to confirm with a quick lookup.

Paul Whelan was devastated at being left behind in a Russian labor camp as other Americans were released

The former Marine was released in August after more than five years of detention in one of the biggest prisoner swaps since the Cold War.

www.nbcnews.com

 

[StreetsofBeige]

Whether or not these things were truly said or false based on being out of context, why does it matter?

Why did he deserve to get shot on stage? The guy wasnt even a real government politician. He was a political commentary guy, no different than a sports analyst on TV covering a team whose never played the game or even works for a pro team.

It doesn't look good when you (or others) bring up Kirk's quotes as reason (whether true or not doesnt matter) because it shows you are defending people getting shot and killed for just saying things.

In that case it should be no problem for people to be canceled cultured back to lose their job because hey.... they said something stupid too. In fact, it should be supported more because it's not going overboard killing someone.

 

[Ass of Can Whooping]

Reminds me of the tactic of the UK media when you dared to use the word muslim in conjunction with rape gangs

 

[Moneal]

Yeah, these are definitely the words of a humanitarian.

0 for 2 on providing a source for your initial claim.

Who is smearing and lying about Kirk? Because they call him racist and the like? Did he not say say black people are biologically inferior?

 

[Gamer79]

I think this thread and the whole developers comments have exposed a much bigger factor when it comes to gaming.

Almost nobody can deny that Game Quality has dropped in recent years. Then we see who are developing these games and make a direct connection.

These Publishing companies are full of developers with Pink/Purple/Green/Blue haired people with Septum rings. That tells me that they have fully bought into that kind of ideology. With that said, there is little doubt that ideology will spill over and influence their work. Hence why we keep seeing consistent bad/broken releases with characters most of us hate.

 

[WellSheet]

Reminds me of the tactic of the UK media when you dared to use the word muslim in conjunction with rape gangs

Cenk tried to pull this on Pier Morgan the other day in fact, because they'd had debates and discussions on Muslim ( a very specific subset of Muslim) and Cenk tried to frame it as Kirk being vitriolic or racist.

If you are white you are not allowed to criticize or advocate for anything lest you be cast as a racist, a sexist or anything else they can ist-ify or phobe-ify.

Don't get me wrong. There's PLENTY of white racists out there. But conflating Kirk's statements here with him being a racist or sexist is laughable.

 

[StreetsofBeige]

I think this thread and the whole developers comments have exposed a much bigger factor when it comes to gaming.

Almost nobody can deny that Game Quality has dropped in recent years. Then we see who are developing these games and make a direct connection.

These Publishing companies are full of developers with Pink/Purple/Green/Blue haired people with Septum rings. That tells me that they have fully bought into that kind of ideology. With that said, there is little doubt that ideology will spill over and influence their work. Hence why we keep seeing consistent bad/broken releases with characters most of us hate.

And not just quality. The games take longer to make and huge budgets. So 0 for 3.

At least if things take a long time to design and are expensive, at least be top notch quality so it all goes hand in hand.

There's likely some truth to those old videos showing modern day tech companies are filled with people who just waltz in and waste time in the cafeteria or doing Starbucks runs. They probably do hardly any work stretching out projects by years and millions of dollars because they spend more time thinking about ping pong or knitting classes after lunch. Or being amped up for tonight's cooking lessons where the menu on tap is pasta primavera.

No wonder so many tech companies and gaming studios have dumped down the drain lately. It's like that Deviation Games studio. Their home page had nothing to do with video games. The first thing you see is games..... but a bunch of people playing tug of war and wearing 3D glasses at a movie theatre. Ya that's productive work there guys. Sounds like a frat party, not a business.

I dont get a sense guys working on an oil rig are like..... hold on folks. I'll get back to work later. A bunch of us have to get back to shore. There's a beach volleyball tournament after work and we got to leave early.

 

[poodaddy]

Awesome, another disingenuous liar.

Your rabble rousing won't work here, and you won't be manipulating anyone to justify your out of context, deliberately disinforming quotes, 75% of which are perfectly reasonable stances, the remaining 25% of which isn't bad either if you take the context into account.

You're just another charlatan toeing your philosophical line, being hand delivered your opinions and telling others what to think. Your hatred doesn't belong here, which I'm thankful to see the rest of this community informing you of as well.

Take your horse shit attempts at manipulating and gaslighting and kick fuckin rocks.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

I am glad to see that, unlike previous comparable events of the last decade, there has been peaceful observation, not riots and destruction.

The restraint was admirable.

 

[TDiddyLive]

Go look it up, easily available even on social media.

This has been the go to answer online for anybody that's spouts bullshit about Charlie Kirk. They create a negative depiction of him from the empty headed comments of people they agree with, then, when called out on it, they realize they never actually heard these things, tells you go find it for them.

 

[TGO]

Nice screenshot of a Guardian article.
also yes those are his words, I mean the context and some words or lines have been removed in the reporting process.
But whatever works right?

 

[Gamer79]

And not just quality. The games take longer to make and huge budgets. So 0 for 3.

At least if things take a long time to design and are expensive, at least be top notch quality so it all goes hand in hand.

There's likely some truth to those old videos showing modern day tech companies are filled with people who just waltz in and waste time in the cafeteria or doing Starbucks runs. They probably do hardly any work stretching out projects by years and millions of dollars because they spend more time thinking about ping pong or knitting classes after lunch. Or being amped up for tonight's cooking lessons where the menu on tap is pasta primavera.

No wonder so many tech companies and gaming studios have dumped down the drain lately. It's like that Deviation Games studio. Their home page had nothing to do with video games. The first thing you see is games..... but a bunch of people playing tug of war and wearing 3D glasses at a movie theatre. Ya that's productive work there guys. Sounds like a frat party, not a business.

I dont get a sense guys working on an oil rig are like..... hold on folks. I'll get back to work later. A bunch of us have to get back to shore. There's a beach volleyball tournament after work and we got to leave early.

Also you forgot the time they waste for their Cry Corners, emotional safe spaces, and just playing foozeball.

 

[Gamer79]

Nice screenshot of a Guardian article.
also yes those are his words, I mean the context and some words or lines have been removed in the reporting process.
But whatever works right?

Even if those all her words, I agree with it. There are clearly double standards held at almost every company. DEI has infested corporations.

 

[Trilobit]

If anything, he will find out of context cuts that when taken in full context won't be what he is trying to say will justify his views.

Yeah, the out of context videos on gaf have been incredibly short.

They are like: "Here's a video of Kirk saying bad stuff trust me bro"
And then they post us this:

 

[Ziglax]

idiocy has no political color

 

[powder]

The first one is about the pot smoking WNBA player who was arrested in Russia, I assume. Great quote you got there.

Oh I thought it was a great example of humanitarianism - angry white guy complaining about a black person being a pothead, not like it was a generalization or anything.

 

[powder]

0 for 2 on providing a source for your initial claim.

It's right there, but whatever you say.

 

[powder]

Awesome, another disingenuous liar.

Your rabble rousing won't work here, and you won't be manipulating anyone to justify your out of context, deliberately disinforming quotes, 75% of which are perfectly reasonable stances, the remaining 25% of which isn't bad either if you take the context into account.

You're just another charlatan toeing your philosophical line, being hand delivered your opinions and telling others what to think. Your hatred doesn't belong here, which I'm thankful to see the rest of this community informing you of as well.

Take your horse shit attempts at manipulating and gaslighting and kick fuckin rocks.

Get real, you guys get zero pussy and it's not my fault. Have a nice one

 

[powder]

Nice screenshot of a Guardian article.
also yes those are his words, I mean the context and some words or lines have been removed in the reporting process.
But whatever works right?

Are these out of context? They look like complete sentences to me. I know America has bad reading comprehension rates so it's ok if you're having trouble.

 

[Scrawnton]

Get real, you guys get zero pussy and it's not my fault. Have a nice one

LOLOLOL

 

[Boss Mog]

Yeah, these are definitely the words of a humanitarian.

These are your gotcha quotes? They read like facts to me.

 

[Avid Reading Horse]

powder

 

[Signalis]

Yeah, these are definitely the words of a humanitarian.

You are a vile person.

 

[powder]

These are your gotcha quotes? They read like facts to me.

You think the great replacement theory is a real thing? You really think non-white people increasing in number is a problem for the country?

You ever been to a predominantly non-white country? Was it a total shithole because there weren't any white people around?

 

[powder]

powder

 

[Unknown Soldier]

Resetera aren't sending their best huh?