Game Developers celebrating assassination of Charlie Kirk [Update] Sucker Punch Dev Fired, and SP issue statement

TDiddyLive said:
You are going to represent your workplace every single time to post anything when your workplace is in your header. What a fucking moron.
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Get out of jail free card, lol.
 
ryzen1 said:
When deciding which games to play, I do not take into account the political opinions voiced by a handful of developers, since these projects represent the collective effort of very large teams.
There is always someone who has a different view
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And considering they fired that person people shouldn't ruin everyone else's career because of one idiot!
 
near said:
There's always a case to be made for letting art stand on its own. But for me, that feels harder to do now than it used to. A lot of modern western games don't really let you separate the art from the artist, because the politics or ideology aren't in the background anymore, they're front and centre.

With older games, it was easier to just enjoy them without thinking about who made them, since the focus was on design, mechanics and fun. And you'd appreciate the designers for that and not necessarily anything regarding their worldview. These days, though, it feels like the art itself is often compromised in service of a message.
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Nobody in their right minds would buy paintings from the Austrian artist turned crazy genocidal dictator named Hitler even if he were the next Michelangelo... this lets separate the art from the artist bullshit has limits for everyone ... some limits are more clear, others are a matter of personal bias and subjectivity. The same people saying that this shouldn't happen are the ones not playing hogwards legacy, never watching house of cards or doing another type of personal boycott. Pure hypocrisy.
 
Aldynes said:
Celebrating one's death is bad enough, but when it's not even something deserved like a dictator / murderer, how can you justify it? If you allow this, then everyone will be expecting to see that same treatment being applied to whoever will be next, retards gonna reee.
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If I were a conservative working at Sucker Punch or SE who kept my mouth shut about politics with my coworkers, you'd better believe I'd be concerned about working with lunatics who openly want people like me dead. I hope they follow Legal Mindset's advice and file OSHA complaints over a hostile workplace.
 


I'm very interested to see if Amazon founder Jeff Bezos and current Amazon CEO Andy Jassy plan on doing anything about Twitch or not. Amazon is an insanely woke organization and they have tacitly supported everything Twitch does even though they are pretty hands off with managing them but this is going to be a serious problem for them if they decide that it's perfectly fine to allow terrorists to openly call for violence on their platform
 
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Omnipunctual Godot said:
If I were a conservative working at Sucker Punch or SE who kept my mouth shut about politics with my coworkers, you'd better believe I'd be concerned about working with lunatics who openly want people like me dead. I hope they follow Legal Mindset's advice and file OSHA complaints over a hostile workplace.
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I think in todays Sony this person would be visiting the HR.
 
I was against cancel culture when the libs were in power and I'm against it now too. I'm against it as a principle.

Some people have principles. Others are just partisan hacks who repeat the best talking points for their team.
 
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Metnut said:
I was against cancel culture when the libs were in power and I'm against it now too. I'm against it as a principle.

Some people have principles. Others are just partisan hacks who repeat the best talking points for their team.
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On the other hand why should a medical professional be allowed that type of responsibility when they claim they think people should die for their opinions?

I saw someone whose job is involved with suicide prevention was fired. If Charlie Kirk called, would she tell him to kill himself - how's that work?

And teachers celebrating murder? Idk seems wrong to me.
 
ZiggyPop1991 said:
It is not this nuanced. As a black gay person I've worked under people I totally disagreed with. However, policies were put into place for us to keep it strictly on work, because we all have families to feed. Believe it or not the internet is not real. Most people are actually cowardly in real life and won't share their opinion unless they 100% they're being backed up.

So no, I don't know. What I do know is that we are now trying to villify people a whole group of people for someone else's actions. We haven't even given the other people a chance to even do anything. If that's how people choose to think. By all means, but that's how Pandoras box gets opened. I would hope no one celebrates this mans murders. That's horrific whether you agree with them or not.
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They should be villified AS A WHOLE GROUP. You know why? Because they only fired this person because they were stupid enough to say the quiet part out loud, not because they don't agree with this. If these companies actually weren't filled to the brim with sociopaths who gleefully cheer assassination, they'd make a statement denouncing it along with the firings, but they don't because EVERY western developer is nothing but these people and making that statement would antithetical to what they actually believe.

We've seen this shit from western game developers for years, the only difference is the current statements are tied to an actual assassination and got more heat than they normally would. This isn't a one off, or one person, this systemic rot from bottom to top in these companies.

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And considering they fired that person people shouldn't ruin everyone else's career because of one idiot!
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See above. Fuck them.
 
For anyone saying this is only one individual and not to hold the whole company accountable, the company has not come out and made any public statement about this. The silence tells me a lot. I would bet every penny I have is all the companies mostly think like the post that got these people fired.

Ghost of Yotei and every other company who hasn't spoken against their totally gross employee will not get a dime from me. I hope Yotei crashes and forces sucker punch to go under. They are not he same talented people that made Infamous anyway.


I guarantee you that 80% of more of the "modern audience" game developers look like this. I cannot relate to them and live in an entirely different world. I am worrying about paying my bills and taking care of my family while they are worried about Gender pronouns and Gaza/Palestine

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Gamer79 said:
For anyone saying this is only one individual and not to hold the whole company accountable, the company has not come out and made any public statement about this. The silence tells me a lot. I would bet every penny I have is all the companies mostly think like the post that got these people fired.

Ghost of Yotei and every other company who hasn't spoken against their totally gross employee will not get a dime from me. I hope Yotei crashes and forces sucker punch to go under. They are not he same talented people that made Infamous anyway.

I guarantee you that 80% of more of the "modern audience" game developers look like this. I cannot relate to them and live in an entirely different world. I am worrying about paying my bills and taking care of my family while they are worried about Gender pronouns and Gaza/Palestine
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The best way to hold companies accountable is to just not buy their products if someone feels it's worth boycotting. It can be for a number of reasons. And no two customers act the same. Just as no two employees are the same. But customers make the decision to buy because it's their money.

For me, I said it in early post days ago but this stuff doesnt affect my buying habits unless I get directly nailed by it (like buying a shitty product in the past, so no way Im getting burned again buying it a second time). But as long as the company hasnt hurt me in some way I'll just buy it if it's still good at a good price. For all the dirtbags at EA or Activision roaming those hallways I still like COD and NHL. And in fact just dabbled with COD WWII a few days ago (my skills are rusty as hell!).

But, for anyone who feels more hardened about it and some employee(s) posts in poor taste is enough to say forget it and it's time to move on to another company's or another studio's game, that's fine by me. It's everyone's choice. Nobody says in the spectrum of buy or no buy everyone has to act the exact same way.

The problem with certain segments of workers in the huge employee pool is some seem really unhinged and will air out stupid comments at any time. And adding to the craziness is their brazen attitude to do it with their name, job and company attached to it. They somehow dont know how to stay humble in sensitive situations, and cant separate personal views with work on their various social media accounts. Most people know when to zip it. But some dont.
 
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StreetsofBeige said:
The best way to hold companies accountable is to just not buy their products if someone feels it's worth boycotting. It can be for a number of reasons. And no two customers act the same. Just as no two employees are the same. But customers make the decision to buy because it's their money.

For me, I said it in early post days ago but this stuff doesnt affect my buying habits unless I get directly nailed by it (like buying a shitty product in the past, so no way Im getting burned again buying it a second time). But as long as the company hasnt hurt me in some way I'll just buy it if it's still good at a good price. For all the dirtbags at EA or Activision roaming those hallways I still like COD and NHL. And in fact just dabbled with COD WWII a few days ago (my skills are rusty as hell!).

But, for anyone who feels more hardened about it and some employee(s) posts in poor taste is enough to say forget it and it's time to move on to another company's or another studio's game, that's fine by me. It's everyone's choice. Nobody says in the spectrum of buy or no buy everyone has to act the exact same way.

The problem with certain segments of workers in the huge employee pool is some seem really unhinged and will air out stupid comments at any time. And adding to the craziness is their brazen attitude to do it with their name, job and company attached to it. They somehow dont know how to stay humble in sensitive situations, and cant separate personal views with work on their various social media accounts. Most people know when to zip it. But some dont.
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It goes beyond that. They are so indoctrinated into that ideology it no doubt effects the final product. These people are incapable of making a fairly decent game without their politics being involved.

I do not have the numbers to back it up but I do have common sense. Game development prices keep skyrocketing while the product is getting worse. We got to look and point fingers at the people making the games. Beyond that the publisher for hiring these lunatics.
 
StreetsofBeige said:
The best way to hold companies accountable is to just not buy their products if someone feels it's worth boycotting. It can be for a number of reasons. And no two customers act the same. Just as no two employees are the same. But customers make the decision to buy because it's their money.

For me, I said it in early post days ago but this stuff doesnt affect my buying habits unless I get directly nailed by it (like buying a shitty product in the past, so no way Im getting burned again buying it a second time). But as long as the company hasnt hurt me in some way I'll just buy it if it's still good at a good price. For all the dirtbags at EA or Activision roaming those hallways I still like COD and NHL. And in fact just dabbled with COD WWII a few days ago (my skills are rusty as hell!).

But, for anyone who feels more hardened about it and some employee(s) posts in poor taste is enough to say forget it and it's time to move on to another company's or another studio's game, that's fine by me. It's everyone's choice. Nobody says in the spectrum of buy or no buy everyone has to act the exact same way.

The problem with certain segments of workers in the huge employee pool is some seem really unhinged and will air out stupid comments at any time. And adding to the craziness is their brazen attitude to do it with their name, job and company attached to it. They somehow dont know how to stay humble in sensitive situations, and cant separate personal views with work on their various social media accounts. Most people know when to zip it. But some dont.
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One thing that I feel makes gaming companies different, let's say from a soda company or a fast food chain, is that those employees that have said opinions are usually in the creative process of the games themselves, so they are the ones usually trying to introduce their opinions in their the game. I feel that's why people are more willing to skip a game if they see those are actually the devs.
 
Gamer79 said:
What are the Result of all these Woke developers? You get Characters like this! If you say you do not like the way the way the characters look you get labeled as a bigot and or a fascist!


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I guarantee you all of these games are made by the very developers I am talking about.
 
Gamer79 said:
For anyone saying this is only one individual and not to hold the whole company accountable, the company has not come out and made any public statement about this. The silence tells me a lot. I would bet every penny I have is all the companies mostly think like the post that got these people fired.

Ghost of Yotei and every other company who hasn't spoken against their totally gross employee will not get a dime from me. I hope Yotei crashes and forces sucker punch to go under. They are not he same talented people that made Infamous anyway.


I guarantee you that 80% of more of the "modern audience" game developers look like this. I cannot relate to them and live in an entirely different world. I am worrying about paying my bills and taking care of my family while they are worried about Gender pronouns and Gaza/Palestine

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Ironically your post looks exactly like something I'd see from a person that looks like the image you posted here. Except with a motive that fits them. I used to see it all the time at the other place.....and it was just as annoying.

Also I said this earlier in the thread:

FalsettoVibe said:
General gamers are not waiting for an apology. They don't owe you anything and firing that person was statement enough. If they came out and said that we fired this person because they violated some predefined rules we established at hire, would that be enough for you? I highly doubt it, because you and others in this thread want them to take a particular stance.....your stance.

From a business perspective, they shouldn't say anything anyway because whatever they say is going to piss one or the other side off. You got people here wanting to cancel them for no statement, and people on the other side (era, etc) who are pissed because they fired the person and are claiming they will never buy a game again.

You say nothing and let this crap blow over. Will their still be a small amount of people that want to "cancel" them by not purchasing their products anymore? Sure. Plenty of those here. But generally outside of your circle, and forums like this one, it's not that deep.
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You people expecting the company to come out and support "your side" by apologizing need to get over yourselves. And even worse, you want the entire company to go under because of this one idiot. 🙄
 
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FalsettoVibe said:
Ironically your post looks exactly like something I'd see from a person that looks like the image you posted here. Except with a motive that fits them. Is see it all the time at the other place.....and it was just as annoying.

Also I said this earlier in the thread:



You people expecting the company to come out and support "your side" by apologizing need to get over yourselves.
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I will get over myself and save my money by not buying their shitty products. Yotei looks mediocre as fuck anyway. You can waste your money however you Want. As far as I look go ask your mother.

The company not speaking against their employees sick post speaks volumes.
 
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Gamer79 said:
It goes beyond that. They are so indoctrinated into that ideology it no doubt effects the final product. These people are incapable of making a fairly decent game without their politics being involved.

I do not have the numbers to back it up but I do have common sense. Game development prices keep skyrocketing while the product is getting worse. We got to look and point fingers at the people making the games. Beyond that the publisher for hiring these lunatics.
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Yep some are indoctrinated as kids - U Unknown Soldier posted this in the other thread:

 
Gamer79 said:
I will get over myself and save my money by not buying their shitty products. Yotei looks mediocre as fuck anyway. You can waste your money however you Want. As far as I look go ask your mother.
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Ahh....I didn't expect an intelligent response and somehow you still surprised me. I don't care if you buy it or not buddy. My point flew right over your head.

This is my fault. Should have followed my mind and not posted again in this dumpster fire of a thread.
 
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FalsettoVibe said:
Ahh....I didn't expect an intelligent response and somehow you still surprised me. I don't care if you buy it or not buddy. My point flew right over your head.
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You do not have a valid point and you have no morales...

That employee represented the company when they spoke. Instead of flat out rejecting their employees statement they stayed silent. The silence speaks volumes.
 
Metnut said:
I was against cancel culture when the libs were in power and I'm against it now too. I'm against it as a principle.

Some people have principles. Others are just partisan hacks who repeat the best talking points for their team.
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I get where you're coming from about having consistent principles. For me, the difference isn't about which 'side' is in power, it's about the nature of the conduct.

When someone gets cancelled over an unverified accusation, that feels wrong to me because there's no clear evidence, it's just a mob and reputational destruction. But when someone publicly and knowingly posts celebratory remarks about a person's death, that's a documented action. Employers aren't punishing a rumour, they're reacting to speech their employees actually published under their own names that reflects on the company. That's not a partisan double standard, it's a difference between unproven allegations and obvious public behaviour.

So for me it's not 'I'm fine with it when my side does it', its 'I'm fine with people being held accountable for things they verifiably did, but not for unsubstantiated claims'.
 
FalsettoVibe said:
Ironically your post looks exactly like something I'd see from a person that looks like the image you posted here. Except with a motive that fits them. I used to see it all the time at the other place.....and it was just as annoying.

Also I said this earlier in the thread:



You people expecting the company to come out and support "your side" by apologizing need to get over yourselves. And even worse, you want the entire company to go under because of this one idiot. 🙄
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It's not "one idiot'.

There is only ONE reason why a company won't disavow political assassination or violence, and that is because the majority of the employees agree with it. The minute one of your employees glorifies something like this you have to disavow it, plain and simple. Just firing them shows they only got axed because they stuck their head up, not because they are vile sociopaths.

The FACT is, if a leftist activist were assassinated tomorrow and a Sucker Punch employee went on Twitter and celebrated, not only would they be RIGHTFULLY fired, but Sucker Punch would 100% make a statement saying that that employees views were hateful and disgusting and in no way, shape, or form are shared by the company or it's employees. Let's not pretend otherwise.

It's actually laughable that you consider cheering on Kirk getting assassinated a "side". Well, it kind of is, it's the side of being a normal, well functioning member of the human race, and being a soulless husk of what used to be a person.
 
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RafterXL said:
It's not "one idiot'.

There is only ONE reason why a company won't disavow political assassination or violence, and that is because the majority of the employees agree with it. The minute one of your employees glorifies something like this you have to disavow it, plain and simple. Just firing them shows they only got axed because they stuck their head up, not because they are vile sociopaths.

The FACT is, if a leftist activist were assassinated tomorrow and a Sucker Punch employee went on Twitter and celebrated, not only would they be RIGHTFULLY fired, but Sucker Punch would 100% make a statement saying that that employees views were hateful and disgusting and in no way, shape, or form are shared by the company or it's employees. Let's not pretend otherwise.

It's actually laughable that you consider cheering on Kirk getting assassinated a "side". Well, it kind of is, it's the side of being a normal, well functioning member of the human race, and being a soulless husk of what used to be a person.
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Fun fact. Just because you capitalize the words one and fact, doesn't mean what you're saying is factual.
Y'all have resorted to full speculation mode in order to validate your stance.
Nothing you said is a fact because in reality, you have no idea.
 
near said:
There's always a case to be made for letting art stand on its own. But for me, that feels harder to do now than it used to. A lot of modern western games don't really let you separate the art from the artist, because the politics or ideology aren't in the background anymore, they're front and centre.

With older games, it was easier to just enjoy them without thinking about who made them, since the focus was on design, mechanics and fun. And you'd appreciate the designers for that and not necessarily anything regarding their worldview. These days, though, it feels like the art itself is often compromised in service of a message.
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I hear what you're saying, but I still think the notion of separating the art from the artist is valid even with the politics-first mentality that some have. In those cases where politics and ideology aren't in the background and serve as a detriment... well, those are just bad games. Plain and simple. They'd be bad coming from some looney on Bluesky, and they'd be bad in a game that launched 20 years ago from someone who nobody knows anything about.
 
FalsettoVibe said:
Fun fact. Just because you capitalize the words one and fact, doesn't mean what you're saying is factual.
Y'all have resorted to full speculation mode in order to validate your stance.
Nothing you said is a fact because in reality, you have no idea.
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And you have resorted to putting your head in the sand and completely ignoring the state of the western game industry. There are a ton of developers quote retweeting, liking and outright making statement backing these people up, and they aren't getting fired. I saw no less than four from Sucker Punch alone. They are the only four in the company who think that? Where are all the Sucker Punch employees that post the opposite? They don't exist! The Coalition, Bungie, Blizzard, Magic the Gathering, Square Enix, and many other developers all have employees celebrating his death. Sure, it's one lone wolf and not systemic rot in the industry...sure, buddy. It's pervasive and it's who these companies are made of. And that is a fact, whether you choose to admit it or not. These companies not making a statement is a statement in itself. It's one thing to fly under the radar and ride this out, it's quite another to be put front and center and still refuse to denounce it.
 
near said:
I get where you're coming from about having consistent principles. For me, the difference isn't about which 'side' is in power, it's about the nature of the conduct.

When someone gets cancelled over an unverified accusation, that feels wrong to me because there's no clear evidence, it's just a mob and reputational destruction. But when someone publicly and knowingly posts celebratory remarks about a person's death, that's a documented action. Employers aren't punishing a rumour, they're reacting to speech their employees actually published under their own names that reflects on the company. That's not a partisan double standard, it's a difference between unproven allegations and obvious public behaviour.

So for me it's not 'I'm fine with it when my side does it', its 'I'm fine with people being held accountable for things they verifiably did, but not for unsubstantiated claims'.
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There's people are going to get caught in the crossfire, you know that
 
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