Clearly in games journalism they don't teach you basic statistics. This doesn't fucking work.
Second of all, Little Mac is completely useless off the ground. just air combat him and bait him off stage.
Game journalists think Little Mac is OP in Smash, publish actual articles about it
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Clearly in games journalism they don't teach you basic statistics. This doesn't fucking work.
Second of all, Little Mac is completely useless off the ground. just air combat him and bait him off stage.
RockTurtle
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knowing how to deal with lil mac would mean actually dedicating time to fighting games.
do game "journalists" have the dedication/time for that? this be some basic shit
do game "journalists" have the dedication/time for that? this be some basic shit
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeup.
Its always the first reaction to anything decently strong.
Gotta' give a game at least a few months and some consistent tourney results for the actual bullshit to show itself.
I don't think Little Mac is only good on FD. Battlefield gives him some platforms to avoid some projectiles heavy characters, and gives him a non linear approach (just jump then shield though since his aerials suck). As long as he hangs out primarily at the bottom and avoids the edges, he's still rather viable.
Sadly. I was so hype for Arthur too and then that match and the upcoming months showed me otherwise lol. Oh well.
So far during Twitch tournaments fast, aggressive play has really been rewarded even with pros. But Little Mac can't be played that way.
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeup.
Its always the first reaction to anything decently strong.
Gotta' give a game at least a few months and some consistent tourney results for the actual bullshit to show itself.
Exactly. People get their ass kicked in a fighter earlier on, scream OP and ask for nerfs. Hopefully Sakurai ignores the earlier pleas, and allows the game to actually mature a bit before we start sending patches out.
Nailed it.
I think he's viable at a competitive level, but he can punish constant reckless play like no one else.
Chaotic-Strike
Banned
Little Mac's are so painfully easy to deal with.
Just bait them near the edge and knock them off and they fall faster than a rock.
Just bait them near the edge and knock them off and they fall faster than a rock.
Living Proof
Member
It's a joke site
I can remember one or two Little Macs kicking the shit out of me online, but I have bested at least as many. It seems like a lot of people are picking him because they hear he's good, but don't know how to use him. I'm not a great player by any means, but I've played at least 100 online matches, and Little Mac hasn't been any more common than other popular fighters.
EastOfEden
Member
Maybe people, you know, just like his character and want to play him? He's the coolest newcomer for a lot of people (including me) so it makes sense that he's very popular online. Seeing as a lot of posters here are saying he's not OP then I don't think that many people would be choosing him for that reason...
Even little things like disabling the Flying Man in Magicant would go a long way.
Solid Samus
Banned
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I mean holy shit. It took me a small handful of matches to acclimate myself to playing against Little Mac. He's a casual friendly character with a lot of power but he can be approached and gimped pretty easily. Not to mention most people online play predictably as FUCK with Little Mac. Counterpicking Dedede or Shulk has literally not failed me once since I started playing this game online, even against some better Little Macs.
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I don't know, the Mac is real.
I don't know, the Mac is real.
Even on FD/Omegas, he still gets worked with a little patience and planning.
lol
Mac is awesome I won't deny it but everyone is using him so we'll have tons of practice against him.
Pegosaurus
Banned
in my experience Zero Suit Samus is a hard counter to Little Mac
YMMV
YMMV
OMG I forgot about this :lol
Smash 4 doesn't need any rebalancing until at LEAST a year in. Smash Wii U isn't even out yet!
I think we are going to see a lot of casual players toy with For Glory mode, which is going to be their first exposure to "competitive" Smash. Projectiles will be spammed and they will be camped out. Off to Twitter they go, complaining that X character is broken or OP because they couldn't get a hit in.
Get good.
Solid Samus
Banned
Who do you play as? With Shulk I just play defensively for a while, use my Smashes or jump>nair when I think Mac will approach and above 40 I go for gimps with Jump and Smash. It's easy to knock him off the stage and follow up with a hit, Jump in particular is amazing for this. With Dedede it's piss easy to stomp Mac because his crouch roll is quick and just breezes through most of dudes approach options, and a lotta Mac players second guess themselves and start to play bad once you start throwing Gordos in the mix. You just gotta adjust your playstyle, he's really not like fighting other characters but that doesn't have to be a problem
This is the one remaining thing that Sakurai needs to get his head out his arse on. So many stages in this game are utterly ruined by their hazards and its not just competitive players saying that this time.Sakurai said:
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A sample size of 20 individuals would be laughable in any serious academic research.
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Jotamide
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Dumbest shit I've seen all day.
ArchersOfAgincourt
Neo Member
I actually think he's fairly balanced for Omega stages. He needs a lot of room to work efficiently, and his air play isn't that good. If you can space yourself, Little Mac isn't that harder to manage with than other fighters. Basically:
Of course, what he misses with his awful recovery, he gains with his agile groundplay and his powerful smash attacks. I can certainly see him being a little overpowered in his home stage, for instance.
Good analysis.
I think they did a really good job with designing Little Mac's moveset to reflect his background as a boxer as well as the theme of Punch-Out as a whole -- Distance and timing. It's absolutely imperative to control spacing and manipulate your opponent's movement to the areas you have the advantage (i.e -- keep the fight on the ground and away from the edges). Also many of his moves allow you to control the timing of the actual strike with delays and charges, which again reflect what 90% of the Punch-Out game actually is.
adamantypants
Member
Both. I don't own this game, full disclosure. But this thread has taught me that he's NOT OP but does happen to be chosen somewhat frequently. SFIV had the issue of Kens everywhere but were generally just wake up shoryukens, easy to deal with. Little Macs look like they're similarly easy to deal with.
You can go on youtube and see some pros beat Little Mac. He's a tough fighter for sure, but he has weaknesses, especially because it seems like a lot of people playing as Little Mac online aren't actually playing to his strengths but rather just relying on his knockout power.
Someone like Duck Hunt Dog, for example, or Rosalina even would have a field day with Little Mac. Keep your distance, zone and pressure, hit him in the air, and bait/force Little Mac to the edge and make your opponent gamble on big hits.
I disagree that Rosalina would have a field day with Mac, with Mac's large knockback on tons of moves, Luma is easily gimped.
Troubled Bat
Member
OP? Hah. Okay.
The guy has shit recovery, and his air game is horrible. Just take advantage of that.
The guy has shit recovery, and his air game is horrible. Just take advantage of that.
Maybe but I've seen some really good Rosalina's use the Luma and long range attacks to really confound fighters who need to get up close to deal damage. I don't use Rosalina but I think her ability to pepper Little Mac would force an opponent to either roll to the edge or roll in for easy grabs and throws. I saw an amazing Rosalina grab, throw, and up B(?) combo that led to some impressive air juggling of an opponent.
Tiniebless
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ShockingAlberto
Member
If you're fighting Little Mac like you're in an episode of Fist of the North Star and trading blows back and forth, of course you're going to lose. He's fucking Little Mac.
You have that jump button for a reason!
You have that jump button for a reason!
Mr. Smiley
Member
is this the part where little mac gets nerfs to be even more useless
Hours Left
Member
With the extensive amount of time this game has been out, how can anyone disagree?
Anyway, Little Mac is awesome. Make more Punch-Out!! games, kthx.
Anyway, Little Mac is awesome. Make more Punch-Out!! games, kthx.