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Game of Thrones Creators Confirm the Show Will Spoil the Books
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Or maybe it is something to be relearned in a different way?
wow, so much book readers' hate here.
I think George shouldn't have shared the ending with D&D, unless it was a contract thing, and in both cases I think it's a very bad decision. There's nothing wrong in having the show with one ending and the books with another.
Or maybe they are lying, who knows.
Either way, as I said before I don't care, I will enjoy the last books in any case for sure.
I think George shouldn't have shared the ending with D&D, unless it was a contract thing, and in both cases I think it's a very bad decision. There's nothing wrong in having the show with one ending and the books with another.
Or maybe they are lying, who knows.
Either way, as I said before I don't care, I will enjoy the last books in any case for sure.
bengraven
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They did the same thing with Dany. Her first night she actually consented to him. She said "no" several times, in fairness, but eventually said "yes" and it wasn't out of resignation but lust.
In fact, Dany continued to be raped until she decided to ask her handmaiden to help her seduce her husband. Which still does not make sense. She was literally in tears getting mounted like a dog one minute and the next minute is like "how can we sex better?".
Maybe she was crying because her knees hurt.
Ganzlinger
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I was hoping for this, two different endings.
Calamari41
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I'm pretty sure it was a condition that GRRM had to tell them what was going to happen before the deal could be made. And they were right to do so... Here we sit, 8 years later, and GRRM has only released one book in all of that time with two left to go. If they hadn't made that a condition, they'd be screwed and relying on their own fanfic to finish out the series.
dead souls
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I'm OK with this,as I've given up any hope we will ever see books 6&7.
Atraveller
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We got some really disgusting show watcher behavior here.
Duane Cunningham
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Pie and Beans
Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
I vastly prefer the show, so no downsides here. You snooze you lose, George. Also what you get for writing yourself into corners it took 3 whole books to dig out of. "Oh I don't plan, it just comes to me". HODORRRRR.
Rawket Lawnchair
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Nothing's canon until it's in Martin's books.
Is the new season the one that will start showing "spoilers" for the books or will it be next year's season (season 6)?
I want to continue watching the show but I'm willing to wait for the books. I don't do social media at all and none of my friends watch the show so I'm not too worried about someone ruining it for me.
I want to continue watching the show but I'm willing to wait for the books. I don't do social media at all and none of my friends watch the show so I'm not too worried about someone ruining it for me.
David Incorporated Esq.
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I wonder how Martin feels about this. I remember back to him being a TV writer at first and a motivation for him getting into novel writing was the inability to do large scale things on screen. Maybe he's mentally shrugged his shoulders and saying "I guess this is what I wanted all along anyway."
That would explain his shape changing face and still lacking a colourful beard.
Rawket Lawnchair
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Based on current timescales (the show has what, 2-3 years airtime more?), the final book will release at around 2020, or even later. Martin will change the ending simply to have the last laugh, if not to also give a necessary boost to the book's sales, and everyone will be happy.
In fact I wouldn't be surprised if he simply gave a different ending to the show producers from the start, so they could just cannibalize on the story as they'd like.
In fact I wouldn't be surprised if he simply gave a different ending to the show producers from the start, so they could just cannibalize on the story as they'd like.
There's literally no chance of that happening. D & D are inept at creating new material not based out of the books, they excel in character interaction not creating new plot lines
I would bet money on D & D going with the heavy handed cliche ending and missing all that it took to get there
Pretty sure it is the coming season. Wasn't there a teaser that spoiled stuff that wasn't in the books yet? Even towards the end of the last season there was stuff not yet in the books I heard.
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
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It has to be hurting in some way. But at the same time, the show has gained him more fame and money than the books alone would have done.
Rentahamster
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Probably the same effect the show has had on book sales so far. Shoot them through the roof.
kruis
Exposing the sinister cartel of retailers who allow companies to pay for advertising space.
And the reason for that is that these two 1000-page books skimped on plot and excitement.
I am one of the earliest fans of the series. I read an advance reading copy of AGoT months before the HC was released. I loved the book and bought the first edition HC the day it was released. I absolutely loved the first thre books, but I was seriously disappointed by the fourth book in the series. I hardly remember anything that happened in those 1000 pages. The fifth book is only slightly better. I stopped reading after 200+ pages and soldiered on many months later.
I think George has lost the plot while plotting the fourth book. He's so in love with the world he created that he can't stop introducing new viewpoint characters and new plots without ever bothering to tie the whole thing together. I firmly believe that the two guys behind the TV show are more in control of the various plots of the TV show than GRRM is of the series he's been working on for the past 20 years.
Rentahamster
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Just like no one bought Game of Thrones after season 1 of the show aired? Or no one bought The Lord of the Rings after the movies came out?
I mean look, this is not my first encounter with a book adaptation before. There are plenty of times where I've read the book and then the movie, and either disliked the movie or liked but thought it fundamentally misunderstood some things. Gone Girl would be the most recent example off the top of my head. I guess technically every comic book/superhero movie falls into this too.
But my point is I don't "how much worse so many things are in the show" compared to the book. If the books are really heads and shoulders that much better than the show, then great, I have something to look forward to once the series wraps. But I don't consider "this isn't what happened in the books" a problem with the show. Whether something is good or bad about the show shouldn't depend on whether or not it happened in the books. And while I'm sure most people would agree too, you also get plenty of posts -- like in this thread -- that conflate the two, maybe without realizing it.
Hasn't he already said that some fans have already figured out a major future plot reveal but that he won't change it because that's the story he out to write? I don't know why he would change the ending.
GRRM has said on more than one occasion that while he told Benioff and Weiss the broad strokes of the ending, there will be plenty of other deviations between then and now. I'm sure that's enough to satisfy him in giving book readers their own version of the ending.
n00bsauce87
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Glad to hear it and can't wait for the season to drop. It may just attract all of the book readers to watch to bump up viewing numbers to heights never seen
Sho_Nuff82
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The show will start spoiling the series almost immediately with some of its omissions this season. The removal of a character (or the death of a character that doesn't happen in the books) is a pretty clear indication that they do not matter going forward.
Just from the casting,
Arianne, Victarion, & Aegon
A post worth quoting.
And shouldn't we all be happy to get any ending no matter what? I will never know how Shenmue will end and this story probably gets two legit endings... maybe it's better to say GoT will get an ending and ASOIAF will get an ending.
It's inevitable the shows will also shape GRRM writing moving forward. Seeing how the characters develop on the show, how the storylines play out, how the fans react. He may have the story finished in his head, but as he's actually writing, he's going to be imagining things from the show. It's inevitable if he's planning some big White Walker battle or whatnot, if the show has done it a season or two before, he's going to be thinking about it in his mind.
For those saying they wanted two different endings. No writer would ever agree to that. You want your creation to be faithful across mediums. What if people would have liked what the showrunners did with the ending verse GRRM. Either way, it's foolish to think GRRM would have finished before the show. The show is going to wrap up in about 3 years. George would be lucky to even get your TWoW by then.
For those saying they wanted two different endings. No writer would ever agree to that. You want your creation to be faithful across mediums. What if people would have liked what the showrunners did with the ending verse GRRM. Either way, it's foolish to think GRRM would have finished before the show. The show is going to wrap up in about 3 years. George would be lucky to even get your TWoW by then.
1. Neither do I, my problem has to do with those moments in the show where the writing is inconsistent or just plain bad. Of course, later I would find that these weren't in the books. Cercei rape scene for example just seemed weird and out of place especially given the fact that she seduces Jaimie in the finale. I'm not some book purist, afterall I luckily started with the show. But, I do think that D&D's deviation has hurt the quality of the show. Though like I said before unlike book purists I have no problem with the show passing the books, Martin had over 15 years the show can't stop for him to finish writing TWO more books in the indeterminate future. The show already has been spoiling the books for me for 3 and a half seasons.
2. Heh, that plot point has been predicted since the first book and I don't know if it's major.
If people like the show, which they clearly do, then fine. Not a big deal. But you may as well stop talking about GRRM and Ice and Fire altogether at this point because the show has deviated from the books extremely far and will only continue to do so. They're their own entities, always have been, but I hope the line is even clearer now.
The show is pretty lame, I think. I know it's popular and yadda yadda, but my God do they pander to the stupidest people in the audience. It blows my mind that an HBO show, that once had The Wire and The Sopranos, doesn't trust the audience enough to not feel the need to explain and simplify every little thing. I'm sure someone else can get into specifics since I'm pressed for time, but it should be obvious what I'm talking about. It's annoying and contributes to the bad writing.
There are tons of examples of changes for the worse and sloppy writing by the creators. The "rape" scene is one, but there are many others. Even my girlfriend, who has never read the books, paused the finale on HBO Go to interrogate me about Tyrion's ending because she could feel that it was forced and was sloppily done. She wanted me to tell her how the scene was done in the book. The problem is they change certain scenes and character motivations, but want to end up at the same place, but since they changed things, the character motivations no longer apply within the context of the show.
The Jamie/Cersei thing is another example. They continue to be close on the show only because the demands of the book need them to be because the show scene that should have divided them didn't happen in the book. Then there's Stannis/Melisandre, Bran's entire arc (Jon Snow vs the Mutineers? That was so bad), Daenerys in Mereen, the complete lack of the Iron Born, etc, etc, etc, etc.
The writing has gotten worse, and it's directionly proportional to how much they've had to make up out of thin air. I like using the rape scene as an example because it's a case where even non-book readers jumped up and were like "What????" but there's much more. Moving forward it'll be even more a show written by the creators and less of an adaptation, and I'm just not interested in seeing more fumbling fan fiction from them.
It's not even that they're bad writers. A lot of what they write is good (Robert/Cersei scene in S1, Tywin/Arya in S2). But they need either more time to write, more episodes, or less story arcs to manage or you'll continue to get Yara's rescue mission, or the completely out of place non-climactic battle in S4 episode 9. Oh God and what they did to Shae... it wasn't even that they changed her, she was actually good, it's that they changed her and then changed her back and it made no sense anymore and... ARGH! Change the books all you want, I'm not a purist, but your characters need to make sense in the context of the damn show. You can't just cram show characters into book plotlines willy nilly.
The show is an imitation of Ice and Fire in only the broadest strokes at this point. It's not possible for it to spoil the books in the way people have in mind, so I really wouldn't worry about it. Anyhoo, I'm not watching anymore, but for the reasons stated above instead of the "we're gonna spoil the books" stuff. I only ever liked the show as an adaptation to begin with.
Not trying to rain on anyone's parade. If you like the show, cool. But as someone who doesn't watch much TV to begin with, who's primary source of entertainment is reading rather than watching movies and shows and who only tuned into GoT for the book in the first place... Yea, hell no, I've been out.
The show is pretty lame, I think. I know it's popular and yadda yadda, but my God do they pander to the stupidest people in the audience. It blows my mind that an HBO show, that once had The Wire and The Sopranos, doesn't trust the audience enough to not feel the need to explain and simplify every little thing. I'm sure someone else can get into specifics since I'm pressed for time, but it should be obvious what I'm talking about. It's annoying and contributes to the bad writing.
There are tons of examples of changes for the worse and sloppy writing by the creators. The "rape" scene is one, but there are many others. Even my girlfriend, who has never read the books, paused the finale on HBO Go to interrogate me about Tyrion's ending because she could feel that it was forced and was sloppily done. She wanted me to tell her how the scene was done in the book. The problem is they change certain scenes and character motivations, but want to end up at the same place, but since they changed things, the character motivations no longer apply within the context of the show.
The Jamie/Cersei thing is another example. They continue to be close on the show only because the demands of the book need them to be because the show scene that should have divided them didn't happen in the book. Then there's Stannis/Melisandre, Bran's entire arc (Jon Snow vs the Mutineers? That was so bad), Daenerys in Mereen, the complete lack of the Iron Born, etc, etc, etc, etc.
The writing has gotten worse, and it's directionly proportional to how much they've had to make up out of thin air. I like using the rape scene as an example because it's a case where even non-book readers jumped up and were like "What????" but there's much more. Moving forward it'll be even more a show written by the creators and less of an adaptation, and I'm just not interested in seeing more fumbling fan fiction from them.
It's not even that they're bad writers. A lot of what they write is good (Robert/Cersei scene in S1, Tywin/Arya in S2). But they need either more time to write, more episodes, or less story arcs to manage or you'll continue to get Yara's rescue mission, or the completely out of place non-climactic battle in S4 episode 9. Oh God and what they did to Shae... it wasn't even that they changed her, she was actually good, it's that they changed her and then changed her back and it made no sense anymore and... ARGH! Change the books all you want, I'm not a purist, but your characters need to make sense in the context of the damn show. You can't just cram show characters into book plotlines willy nilly.
The show is an imitation of Ice and Fire in only the broadest strokes at this point. It's not possible for it to spoil the books in the way people have in mind, so I really wouldn't worry about it. Anyhoo, I'm not watching anymore, but for the reasons stated above instead of the "we're gonna spoil the books" stuff. I only ever liked the show as an adaptation to begin with.
Not trying to rain on anyone's parade. If you like the show, cool. But as someone who doesn't watch much TV to begin with, who's primary source of entertainment is reading rather than watching movies and shows and who only tuned into GoT for the book in the first place... Yea, hell no, I've been out.
Emerson
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The endings will only be the same in the most broad sense possible. For example if the books are destined to end with Dany conquering Westeros and taking the throne, the show will too. If Tyrion survives in the books, he probably will in the show too. Anything less critical to the overall story than that is most likely not going to be the same.
Lmao, absolutely not. Why would you assume this? Even GRRM has come out and said this is horrible thinking. They literally drop characters on the show for all kinds of reasons, it has absolutely no relevance to their importance in Ice and Fire. This is a horribly naive assumption to make man.
Edit: Did you read Dance with Dragons? Do you honestly believe
Aegon
The Illiterati
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I changed my opinion in the last day. I realize now that the show watchers are going to get SUCH an aborted version of the series that while they absolutely REVEL in their ignorance like pigs in shit, I can laugh when they complain about the show going downhill.
Sho_Nuff82
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Yes, *Winds of Winter Speculation and minor spoiler*
I think the fact that Aegon is being dropped entirely indicate that he has no part in the end game. He'll probably die early on in WoW. With Arianne at his side somehow, since she's looking for him at the moment, and she's kind of an idiotic female version of Theon. The show simply does not have the time to go through the entire Blackfyre Rebellion arc. If Tyrion is in S5 and he goes straight to Mereen via slavers/meeting up with Jorah, it's pretty obvious that Aegon isn't going to be there. Victarion is the bigger disappointment, since it appears that he and Red Priest actually seem to know what their doing and they plan to sabotage Euron somehow. I'm holding out hope that he, Euron, and the Dragon Horn will be a big surprise in Episode 10.
Neogaf is where we come to believe!
Actually, without having to follow an existing book I think they will have the chance to increase the shows popularity by pleasing the no fantasy crowd. Maybe not entirely as a few of the fantasy elements are major plot points, but they can still try to remove all smaller instances.
If this was reddit I would give you gold.
bengraven
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You can tell by the desperation in some interviews for more seasons or a movie that he's not happy. I bet like you said that it does hurt and I feel for him.
You could say it's his own fault that he writes slow, but he's writing huge, dense stories. I think if you fault him with anything, it's assuming the show wouldn't catch up with his writing and let's be honest: if you're creating something, you don't know when you're going to be finished. some people talk about how Clash came out a year or two after Game, but he was writing Game in bits and pieces for years - maybe even a decade. He wrote the first chapters while still working in TV if I remember correctly.
So I can't imagine with that must investment (Paris says he tosses and turns at night, then jumps up in the morning to write something he couldn't get out of his mind) how you can feel to see someone else telling your story.
It's almost like becoming a new parent, but someone shows up a few years in and says "I'm taking this over for you, you can have it back when she graduates".
True, but Dorne must have some part to play in the end game and Arianne is the only notable POV besides Hotah and George said we're not getting any more, so likely no Sand Snake POV. I still think Arianne will make it to KL, but she may be spying for Aegon and/or her dad. I think Dorne is being brought up because they'll be eventually siding with Dany in the end and that's likely where she'll land.
More like someone driving a dumptruck of money into your driveway and saying that in a few years they'll be taking over, and you saying sure.
You have absolutely no reason to think that though, and indications are pretty strong that you're wrong. Those characters are both being set up for big things: Book 4/5 Spoilers Beyond This Link
KuwabaraTheMan
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This is plainly not true, just as Ramsay being cut from season 2 didn't mean that he had no role going forward. Some of these characters may well appear in season 6. The only one who has definitely been cut is
Arianne
This was the worst. It even happened on GAF. Fucking assholes who go into the show threads and "predict" what would happen next with the exactness only someone who read the story could have.
Yeah wow we are all so impressed by your ability to "predict" the outcome of the next episode. More like, welcome to my ignore list.
bengraven
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He seriously thought he would finish first.
Book readers try and police that. If someone is predicting things on the button they will get called out in the book spoiler thread and usually a mod takes care of it. "hey, BLANK over there is talking about Robb and Cat probably going to die next episode..."
bengraven said:
This definitely seems like what's happened. When he was interviewed about this last year or something, he said that he anticipates book 4 being split into two seasons, and then the same for book 5, which would give him four years to finish book 6. He definitely had no idea that 4 and 5 were being folded together into one season (which is odd because it seems like a lot of other people already assumed that to be the case).
Spider from Mars
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Maybe, could be 21XX
Diprosalic
Banned
i wish they would just create their own story.
Rentahamster
Rodent Whores
Didn't get around to watching this video from the OP until now. Those 4 are some charming motherfuckers.
LMAO at John's answer for young actors to seek out characters who are terrible at everything.
Purple Cheeto
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If they went on Hiatus it would have to be for 5-10 years which isn't reasonable.
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