It's confirmed that season five will cover basically all of AFFC/ADWD.
Game of Thrones Creators Confirm the Show Will Spoil the Books
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It's confirmed that season five will cover basically all of AFFC/ADWD.
Eh bad writing in Game of Thrones is still a lot better than some of the drivel that passes for television these days (TWD being a case in point).
well, article at beginning of the thread say that, and later say season 6 could also be safe. 'cause, if that's the case, that will be some serious cut in there.
Don't hope, editor said "not in 2015"
Is the writing getting bad? Because all my non-book reader show watching friends loved last season. I wish I never read the books because all I could do was compare the two when I watched, but others loved it, every aspect. Plus, I distinctly remember going wtf at season 2 with some of the fantasy stuff but I got over it and accepted it. I'm pretty sure if anyone is still watching after last season as well, they've accepted the fantasy portions.
No it's not.
Must just be me then.
Neither of those benefited the show or the network at all, and in Mad Men's case the delay was rooted in contract reasons. Companies don't plan for 1 or 2 year breaks that interrupt their hottest shows, it's just bad business. If it happens, it happens, but if it can be helped -- and what you're suggesting is that everyone involved just pretend it can't be helped -- then they're not going to go for it.
And to the guy who also brought up The Wire and Curb Your Enthusiasm... The Wire was never a ratings or awards show, so there was never any pressure to keep that going at all much less for as long as they stuck with it, and Curb happens on Larry David's schedule.
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As has been pointed out several times already, GRRM has only been able to crank out two books in 15 years. I don't care how hard he works on them or how intricate the plotting may be that that time is justified, that is a long ass time between books. There's no guarantee that the putting the show on ice for even one year would allow GRRM to catch up, and even if he was able to for book 6 then what about 7? Book readers would still end up getting spoiled.
It's insane to suggest that HBO slow down their schedule to accommodate GRRM's because nobody has any idea what his schedule could possibly be, including GRRM himself.
Ganzlinger
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What a mess.
It's frustrating that they will spoil the books, it's kinda disrespectful since the autor didn't even finish his saga himself. Someone else telling the end of your own story before you is weird. Of course you can point that GRRM was slow and they had a contract. But they have enough material to delay the story progress. And of course, it's terrible for the readers who invested their times on this. They really don't give a fuck about the readers now. And the worst part, it's that almost everything the show tried to do differently they did bad. Can't see they doing good without the source material.
And this readers x non-readers fight is stupid.
It's frustrating that they will spoil the books, it's kinda disrespectful since the autor didn't even finish his saga himself. Someone else telling the end of your own story before you is weird. Of course you can point that GRRM was slow and they had a contract. But they have enough material to delay the story progress. And of course, it's terrible for the readers who invested their times on this. They really don't give a fuck about the readers now. And the worst part, it's that almost everything the show tried to do differently they did bad. Can't see they doing good without the source material.
And this readers x non-readers fight is stupid.
It's going to be like reading spoilers on Wikipedia for book readers. Serves no point but to ruin the impact of the books. And since the show watchers grossly outnumber those that read the books, well good luck not having the story spoilt. ASOIAF is basically ruined for those who wanted to stick to the books. GRRM should at the very least speak out to book readers regarding this. His passive attitude towards his own books and fans is just depressing. Like he's just waiting the storm out.
Some portions of the writing has certainly gone sour, and almost every time it is when the show writers have deviated from the books. Anyone who cares about this franchise both readers and watchers should be fearing the moment all the plotlines surpass the books. I don't have a lot of faith that they will be able to follow through on outlines and plot summaries now. Some of the writing I found hazy in the past season was:
-Crush the beetles
-The stupid archer nodding kid at the wall
-Karl fookin Tanner
-Jaime's rape scene
Now this is just off the top of my head, and those moments were to some degree book deviations. With even less source material to stand on in some plots it's not going to turn out well.
-Crush the beetles
-The stupid archer nodding kid at the wall
-Karl fookin Tanner
-Jaime's rape scene
Now this is just off the top of my head, and those moments were to some degree book deviations. With even less source material to stand on in some plots it's not going to turn out well.
DrForester
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This one in particular show that they have absolutely no grasp on Jaime's character at this point.
AstroZombie
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The show is better than his novels at this point. GURM can have his myrish swamps, fat pink masts, and words are winds. He hasn't had an editor since ASOS.
Don't forget him strangling his cousin to death while in prison because JAIME IS SUPPOSED TO BE EVIL AND BAD, RIGHT? RIGHT???
I`m 2300 pages into the series (about 200 pages into Book 3) and from what I`ve read, Jaime has been consistently human garbage.
5 "easy" steps to wait for the Game of Thrones Books
- Never use social media for 1 year.
- Bookmark any news related websites to a page where they don't post headliners.
- Never read the comments sections or use chat services.
- Communicate with family and friends in advance not to spoil the series.
- When GRRM finally publishes a book black out the internet.
Morrigan Stark
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Uh, keep reading...? Jaime is many things, but a kinslayer or a rapist he is most definitely not.
Does Book Jamie not push a child out of a window either?
I fail to see what part of Jamie, as a man of extremely dubious morals, is not being represented in the show.
Chuckie
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It is not disrespectful at all. GRRM knew this was going to happen.
Also delay? Haha how much? 10 years? 5 years if we are lucky. Because you know it is gonna take about that long for GRRM to finish. It would be impossible for them to extend the series that long.
There is not enough material and you cannot keep the actors on your project for that long.
This is Martins fault and Martins fault alone.
Calamari41
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What an absolute perfect situation for me. Pretty much right before the show goes beyond the books is when it also goes so far off the rails as to cause me to actively dislike it. I'll watch the rest of the series after the last book comes out... I just hope no show watchers spoil it for me in the two decades in between.
David Incorporated Esq.
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Know what? I'm okay with this. Martin is taking too much damn time and I'm pretty sick of the waiting.
Omegasquash
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Got me chuckling. It does kind of suck, but it's not a surprise. I wonder if this what effect this will have on book sales though.
I don't take issue with that scene as much as others, but I think up until that point everything he's done was for his family. Aeris, Bran, Ned etc were all a threat. 'kinslaying' may be the one thing he wouldn't do so readily and...needlessly. He's loyal to the Lannsister family. It helps define him.
Morrigan Stark
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*Jaime
And your argument is ridiculous. He did a bad thing, for very obvious personal reasons, but that doesn't follow that he'd do other unrelated bad things for unrelated reasons. He pushed Bran because he loves his sister. Therefore he will rape his sister and that's consistent? Please.
Did you read the books? This is addressed entirely in his first two chapters there.
Nobody saying the guy is perfect but he isn't a lot of things, and it takes place over the entirety of A Storm of Swords.
With the exception of the rape scene, these are such minor points that it really highlights how meaningless the "the show is so bad when it deviate from the books!!" talking point is.
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I haven't enjoyed a GOT book since ASOS. Season four was a huge improvement. I'm fine with this.
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By what reasonable standard is it "disrespectful"? No one was holding a gun to GRRM's head to sell the rights when he did, and this has been a total inevitability ever since.
Not a chance in the world. Even if they wavered enough to buy time until TWOW, there will be 4-5 years at the minimum until ADOS comes out, even assuming that the story wraps up then- by no means a certainty. They could have adapted every word of the books with exacting accuracy and still run out of material long before the series was finished.
If you want to blame anyone for this, blame GRRM for selling the rights when the series was only half-finished. No one else can be fairly blamed.
Calamari41
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GRRM could have easily put out the remaining books since production began on season 1 of the show if he had even a modicum of a work ethic. Think about it... the show launched alongside Dance with Dragons and there's been nothing since.
This is unfortunate, but nobody involved with the show is to blame, or is "disrespectful" because of it. If anybody here has been disrespectful, it's always been GRRM himself.
This is unfortunate, but nobody involved with the show is to blame, or is "disrespectful" because of it. If anybody here has been disrespectful, it's always been GRRM himself.
kame-sennin
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Fucking this. I hope those posters roasts in every one of the seven hells.
The North remembers.
Morrigan Stark
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Or maybe those were just poor examples, but there are plenty of stronger ones:
- Talisa
- Yara and the dogs
- Ros
- WHEREAREMAHDRAGONZ
- Grey WormxMissandei
- Butchered Tyrion escape + whitewashing Tyrion
- Stannis being gimped
- Catelyn being neutered
- Butchering the Qhorin Halfhand arc
- Turning Littlefinger into an obviously untrustworthy mustache-twirling villain
I could go on.
It doesn't make sense to halt the show until the books finish because, let's be honest, it could be years and years and years.... George is a celebrity now, he's made his millions and he's enjoying the celebrity lifestyle. The guy is attending events and being interviewed all the time. I bet he barely has a couple of days a week where he's not doing some publicity work. Not only that, but he's given up the ending to his saga. He has practically zero motivation to finish now. The show can go on without him and it's not like he needs to earn a living anymore.
Preach.If you look at page count over time, GRRM is actually a really fast writer.
By word count as well (even faster!) (+holy shit @ WoT):
He should just release books in 500 page parts.
diggmcbadass
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Book readers, I am coming for your thread come next year! There will be leading questions and innocent theories/predictions all over the place. "Can't wait to see your reaction to next chapter, guys!"
A lot of these are just saying things -- I have no idea why "Talisa" and "Ros" are meant to mean as criticisms, unless your problem is with their names. Grey Worm x Missandei? oh my god, I know, they completely derailed the show with those harmless couple of scenes!!
The only thing I agree with here is Stannis. I have no idea how he's portrayed in the books, but he's a complete simp in the show and it's impossible to take him seriously as a credible...anything.
Lord of Castamere
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No. He agreed to this deal in 2007, roughly 1 year into the delay of A Dance with Dragons. His lack of foresight caused this.
Morrigan Stark
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Uh, their whole character and pretty much every single scene with them, maybe?
I didn't say Missandei and Grey Worm derailed everything. But it's definitely absolutely terrible cringeworthy writing.
GRR has seriously recommended to HBO that they could just do prequel seasons until he catches up and writes the books. LOL. They nixed the hell outta that shit. Seasons will come one a year.
Here's the truth, the show has already lapped GRR, or very soon will. The actual scripts are written almost a year before shooting even starts. Why? Because of practical reasons, of the mamoth task of budgeting and tasking. For logistical reasons the scripts are already written.
The fifth season is about to premiere? The 6th season is already written, and the 7th one is probably being worked on already. Depending on how long the show goes for, which the creators have said is 7 perhaps 8 seasons. They may be writing the end of this show next year, and are probably already thinking about how it ends, in a very concrete manner.
GRR on the other hand, might take another ten years to finish the series, realistically speaking. GRR HATES, absolutely hates writing them. He makes it sound like its a death sentence, and he would obviously rather be interacting with fans, giving interviews, asking his fans to bring him food.
The show lapping him, is probably going to be very embarrassing for him, but also helpful, because he can just use that as a template to finish them off, otherwise god knows when it would've come.
Here's the truth, the show has already lapped GRR, or very soon will. The actual scripts are written almost a year before shooting even starts. Why? Because of practical reasons, of the mamoth task of budgeting and tasking. For logistical reasons the scripts are already written.
The fifth season is about to premiere? The 6th season is already written, and the 7th one is probably being worked on already. Depending on how long the show goes for, which the creators have said is 7 perhaps 8 seasons. They may be writing the end of this show next year, and are probably already thinking about how it ends, in a very concrete manner.
GRR on the other hand, might take another ten years to finish the series, realistically speaking. GRR HATES, absolutely hates writing them. He makes it sound like its a death sentence, and he would obviously rather be interacting with fans, giving interviews, asking his fans to bring him food.
The show lapping him, is probably going to be very embarrassing for him, but also helpful, because he can just use that as a template to finish them off, otherwise god knows when it would've come.
Ganzlinger
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I think the show is rushed compared to the books. If they choose to adapt a lot of the details, the first season could be adapted in two seasons and so on with the other books. And we have Robert's Rebellion and a lot of lore to adapt.
Well, It's my personal belief. If I am the author of something, I should be the one to end it. It's my personal artwork no one else should interfere. Again, it's my personal view on the matter that's why I said "kinda".
Calamari41
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Ok, now compare his writing speed today with the writing speed with which he wrote the first three books.
You could always stand to slow things down and adapt more of the finer details, but you reach a point where it absolutely kills the pacing and makes the show a slog to get through.
Mr Fahrenheit
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Why even bother finishing the book at this point, GRRM? No one's going to want to buy a book forty years after they know the entire story.
He could have easily turned down the offer of the TV series though, taken as long as he liked to write them and have his stories told entirely by his writing alone. But the vast amounts of $ was worth more to him than 'artist integrity'. Not that he's to be blamed for it. I would certainly have taken the offer up if it would make me a millionaire. But I don't think it's fair to say he's being hard done by, it's entirely of his own doing.
Thanks Blader for reminding me of a few more awful points.
Here I'll go through a few:
-Robb's wife is well, very different in the books, not even the same character. Cat reacts much worse in the books to their match and it's justifiable when he marries a random girl while is engaged to a Frey. They made it a love story and diminished the youthful blunders Robb makes.
-Yara says "I will rescue Theon no matter what" then randomly many episodes later she is going to rescue him, and bam dogs happen and she gives up. Completely lame and pointless, and bad pacing.
-WHAR MAH DRAGONS wasn't really a book moment, and added drama for drama's sake. Killed any importance of the House of the Undying because FINDING DRAGONS. (HotU would have been hard to do no matter what though considering how prophetic the place is).
Here I'll go through a few:
-Robb's wife is well, very different in the books, not even the same character. Cat reacts much worse in the books to their match and it's justifiable when he marries a random girl while is engaged to a Frey. They made it a love story and diminished the youthful blunders Robb makes.
-Yara says "I will rescue Theon no matter what" then randomly many episodes later she is going to rescue him, and bam dogs happen and she gives up. Completely lame and pointless, and bad pacing.
-WHAR MAH DRAGONS wasn't really a book moment, and added drama for drama's sake. Killed any importance of the House of the Undying because FINDING DRAGONS. (HotU would have been hard to do no matter what though considering how prophetic the place is).
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