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[Ratrat]

A lot of these are just saying things -- I have no idea why "Talisa" and "Ros" are meant to mean as criticisms, unless your problem is with their names. Grey Worm x Missandei? oh my god, I know, they completely derailed the show with those harmless couple of scenes!!

The only thing I agree with here is Stannis. I have no idea how he's portrayed in the books, but he's a complete simp in the show and it's impossible to take him seriously as a credible...anything.

Little Finger is awful. What was that scene where he openly threatens Cersei in front of her guards? His stupid verbal duals with Varys that lack any subtlety, killing Lysa without any semblance of a plan, trying to get with Catelyn after Ned's death....that is not one of the smartest men of Westeros, the Gamemaster at all.

Ok, now compare his writing speed today with the writing speed with which he wrote the first three books.

Including the decade it took for him to write Game of Thrones?

 

[pestul]

Book readers, I am coming for your thread come next year! There will be leading questions and innocent theories/predictions all over the place. "Can't wait to see your reaction to next chapter, guys!"

That's the absolute worst in the show threads. "Guys I have an idea on what's about to happen..". I don't know what these kind of people get out of it.

 

[SquiddyCracker]

Book readers, I am coming for your thread come next year! There will be leading questions and innocent theories/predictions all over the place. "Can't wait to see your reaction to next chapter, guys!"

Personally I'll be going with:

"Did that really happened in that chapter? That's nothing like on the show, what a bummer. "

 

[Hari Seldon]

The book and the show are going to deviate so much going forward that I don't really care. The show will just become alternate history fanfic that happens to end at the same place.

 

[SquiddyCracker]

The book and the show are going to deviate so much going forward that I don't really care. The show will just become alternate history fanfic that happens to end at the same place.

I prefer "TV-canon" and "Book-canon".

 

[Calamari41]

Including the decade it took for him to write Game of Thrones?

Source? The Game of Thrones wiki says he was struck by the image of the dead wolf in the snow in 1991 and began thinking about it, and put the idea on hold for a while while he worked on other things.

Even if we assume he started writing it that day in 1991, which he didn't, then the first three books were written at a rate of 346.67 pages per year. Feast and Dance were written at a rate of 209.63 pages per year. If we take the much more reasonable starting date of 1993 to allow for him to finish up with Doorways, which he was busy with through 1992, then we can say that the first three books were written at a rate of 445.71 pages per year.

So best case scenario he is now writing 60% of the speed he was for the first half of the series. Most reasonable case, he's writing at 47% of the speed.

 

[Count of Monte Sawed-Off]

A lot of these are just saying things -- I have no idea why "Talisa" and "Ros" are meant to mean as criticisms, unless your problem is with their names. Grey Worm x Missandei? oh my god, I know, they completely derailed the show with those harmless couple of scenes!!

The only thing I agree with here is Stannis. I have no idea how he's portrayed in the books, but he's a complete simp in the show and it's impossible to take him seriously as a credible...anything.

Their portrayal of Stannis has been pretty bad. He still has time to get some of his best lines in, but he's much more his own man in the books than Melisandre's bitch as he is in the show.

 

[CrunchyB]

This was kinda expected, but it still sucks.

I stopped watching the show last season because things were deviating from the source material. I understand it's an adaptation and some changes are inevitable. I get that they have a limited budget. But some changes are just bizarre and unnecessary. Amongst others already mentioned, they screwed up the Theon and Stannis storylines past the point of salvation.

The acting is also really mixed bag nowadays. Some of the best actors are gone from the show because of untimely deaths. Too many mediocre actors are left. I especially detest Aiden Gillen's performance.

 

[Ganzlinger]

He could have easily turned down the offer of the TV series though, taken as long as he liked to write them and have his stories told entirely by his writing alone. But the vast amounts of $ was worth more to him than 'artist integrity'. Not that he's to be blamed for it. I would certainly have taken the offer up if it would make me a millionaire. But I don't think it's fair to say he's being hard done by, it's entirely of his own doing.

Yeah, I agree with you.

 

[Ratrat]

Source? The Game of Thrones wiki says he was struck by the image of the dead wolf in the snow in 1991 and began thinking about it, and put the idea on hold for a while while he worked on other things.

Even if we assume he started writing it that day in 1991, which he didn't, then the first three books were written at a rate of 346.67 pages per year. Feast and Dance were written at a rate of 209.63 pages per year. If we take the much more reasonable starting date of 1993 to allow for him to finish up with Doorways, which he was busy with through 1992, then we can say that the first three books were written at a rate of 445.71 pages per year.

So best case scenario he is now writing 60% of the speed he was for the first half of the series. Most reasonable case, he's writing at 47% of the speed.

You're right, it was much shorter. But than, you know how the series was reworked from a trilogy to 7 volumes and the scrapping of the 15 year time skip. He's written a lot of material that never made it into the books while also writing Dunk and Egg and Princess and Rogue etc which are probably at least 500 pages in all.

 

[Lord of Castamere]

Why even bother finishing the book at this point, GRRM? No one's going to want to buy a book forty years after they know the entire story.

It's fundamentally impossible for the stories to be exactly the same, because of cut characters and story changes. They'll be similar(especially with key character deaths), and will likely end at near the same place, but not close enough to not want to read the books IMO.

Also unless he's contractually obligated not too, I almost guarantee he changes certain things in Winds/Dream.

 

[Oemenia]

I'm glad, always felt the show lost a lot of heart from following the books too meticulously.

 

[Hari Seldon]

It's fundamentally impossible for the stories to be exactly the same, because of cut characters and story changes. They'll be similar(especially with key character deaths), and will likely end at near the same place, but not close enough to not want to read the books IMO.

Also unless he's contractualy obligated not too, I almost guarantee he changes certain things in Winds/Dream.

Yeah I'm betting it deviates significantly if for no other reason to provide a reason to purchase the books.

 

[water_wendi]

As soon as i read the thread title i burst out in the most evil sounding cackle.

 

[Calamari41]

You're right, it was much shorter. But than, you know how the series was reworked from a trilogy to 7 volumes and the scrapping of the 15 year time skip. He's written a lot of material that never made it into the books while also writing Dunk and Egg and Princess and Rogue etc which are probably at least 500 pages in all.

I totally understand that he was hit with writers' blocks and had to rework his ideas, but all of that should have been over with at the release of Dance with Dragons, if not Feast for Crows. The period after Storm of Swords was like the pre-GoT period, where it was more about meticulously mapping things out and planning than actually sitting down and writing. But by now, he should know where the story is going. He figured out the Meereenese Knot (and on that note, the solution he presented us doesn't seem like it was worth half a decade of thought), and all of the pieces are in motion toward the end-game. He even said that he had to move significant and already written events from the end of Dance to the beginning of Winds. He should be at a similar point in the writing process to where he was as he was on a roll through GoT, CoK, and SoS, but it appears from the outside that he's still stuck like he was while trying to figure out the

Spoiler

time skip

.

Edit: and while I do enjoy and appreciate the other works he's put out since Storm of Swords (looks like about 10 publishings), my point from the beginning was that D&D aren't being disrespectful by moving past the books. If GRRM had wanted to buckle down and make sure that he finished the books before the show caught up, he had plenty of time to do so. He just chose to work on other things, or not work at all, instead.

 

[PopFisto]

I think the show is rushed compared to the books. If they choose to adapt a lot of the details, the first season could be adapted in two seasons and so on with the other books. And we have Robert's Rebellion and a lot of lore to adapt.



Well, It's my personal belief. If I am the author of something, I should be the one to end it. It's my personal artwork no one else should interfere. Again, it's my personal view on the matter that's why I said "kinda".

Its not rushed at all. The next two seasons are splitting one book.

Of course they are going to cut the fat, and streamline it. Otherwise, whats the point? Its an adaptation of the books, not a translation. If you have the benefit of hindsight, it would be silly not to use this benefit.

If you're the author and want to end it, than maybe don't take 5 year long breaks to shoot the shit and waste time. If you plan on taking vast breaks, and don't want the tv show to lap you, then either write the books, or don't voluntarily start a TV show.

Anyway, the tv show is better than the books, I trust the creators more, I am completely comfortable with them ending the show. GRR only has himself and his hatred of writing these books to blame.

 

[Blader]

Here I'll go through a few:

-Robb's wife is well, very different in the books, not even the same character. Cat reacts much worse in the books to their match and it's justifiable when he marries a random girl while is engaged to a Frey. They made it a love story and diminished the youthful blunders Robb makes.

Maybe it comes off differently to book readers but I never felt like their relationship was some overly romantic love story. In any case, it actually makes the red wedding and the weight of Robb's fuck up even harder to swallow, for me at least.

-Yara says "I will rescue Theon no matter what" then randomly many episodes later she is going to rescue him, and bam dogs happen and she gives up. Completely lame and pointless, and bad pacing.

eh, it was a dumb scene, but just a scene. I'm not worked up about it and honestly am not invested enough in the Greyjoy plot to care too much.

My larger point is, whenever someone highlights these major differences between the books and the show, 9 times out of 10 it barely registers with me. Maybe if I had the books as a frame of reference it would stick out worse and be more annoying to watch, but most of the criticisms raised about how the show (mis)interprets the books are, more often than not, never resonate with me as actual problems. Like I said earlier, my biggest sticking point is with Stannis, and that's just how he's written on the show. I have no other context with which to judge him by, but looking at him as a show-only fan, I think he sucks.

Their portrayal of Stannis has been pretty bad. He still has time to get some of his best lines in, but he's much more his own man in the books than Melisandre's bitch as he is in the show.

it also doesn't help that I completely dislike Melisandre as a character. I don't normally think the show is aiming to be as over-the-top graphic just for the sake of showing violence and sex, but the portrayal of Melisandre to me never not seems like pointless titillation.

 

[Chuckie]

I think the show is rushed compared to the books. If they choose to adapt a lot of the details, the first season could be adapted in two seasons and so on with the other books. And we have Robert's Rebellion and a lot of lore to adapt.\

It could be spread out over a bit more seasons. However you still have the problem of aging actors and actors contracts.

And no matter how you spin it, it is still Martins own fault. He knew what HBO's intentions were when he signed the contract.

 

[Spectromixer]

Its not rushed at all. The next two seasons are splitting one book.

Of course they are going to cut the fat, and streamline it. Otherwise, whats the point? Its an adaptation of the books, not a translation. If you have the benefit of hindsight, it would be silly not to use this benefit.

If you're the author and want to end it, than maybe don't take 5 year long breaks to shoot the shit and waste time. If you plan on taking vast breaks, and don't want the tv show to lap you, then either write the books, or don't voluntarily start a TV show.

Anyway, the tv show is better than the books, I trust the creators more, I am completely comfortable with them ending the show. GRR only has himself and his hatred of writing these books to blame.

I believe this season will be a mix of AFFC and ADWD and likely cover much of both of them, so that isn't necessarily true. Granted they are cutting out a lot out of boths books so it wont feel rushed.

 

[Ratrat]

I totally understand that he was hit with writers' blocks and had to rework his ideas, but all of that should have been over with at the release of Dance with Dragons, if not Feast for Crows. The period after Storm of Swords was like the pre-GoT period, where it was more about meticulously mapping things out and planning than actually sitting down and writing. But by now, he should know where the story is going. He figured out the Meereenese Knot (and on that note, the solution he presented us doesn't seem like it was worth half a decade of thought), and all of the pieces are in motion toward the end-game. He even said that he had to move significant and already written events from the end of Dance to the beginning of Winds. He should be at a similar point in the writing process to where he was as he was on a roll through GoT, CoK, and SoS, but it appears from the outside that he's still stuck like he was while trying to figure out the

Spoiler

time skip

.

That's one thing. He also had to introduce a million characters and plots with Feast and Dance. The books are only getting more complex as he writes on. Still, I have no idea why WoW is taking so long, I thought the two previous books were the real issue and it would be smooth sailing thereafter. But I just really appreciate the density and forethought of the books, it's so unimaginably daunting to think about.

 

[Dénouement]

Its not rushed at all. The next two seasons are splitting one book.

No they're not. Season 5 looks like it'll cover most if not all of Books 4 and 5. Season 6 will likely be all brand new material.

 

[Brandwin]

Man, that blows for the book readers. You guys have invested so much time reading the books to have the show past and end before the books will even be out. I feel for you.

 

[Count of Monte Sawed-Off]

I believe this season will be a mix of AFFC and ADWD and likely cover much of both of them, so that isn't necessarily true. Granted they are cutting out a lot out of boths books so it wont feel rushed.

Yeah, pretty much this season will mostly wrap up AFFC and ADWD, and will likely have some of the sixth book in it as well.

 

[Montresor]

Man, that blows for the book readers. You guys have invested so much time reading the books to have the show past and end before the books will even be out. I feel for you.

I need to avatar quote.

 

[Calamari41]

That's one thing. He also had to introduce a million characters and plots with Feast and Dance. The books are only getting more complex as he writes on. Still, I have no idea why WoW is taking so long, I thought the two previous books were the real issue and it would be smooth sailing thereafter. But I just really appreciate the density and forethought of the books, it's so unimaginably daunting to think about.

Yeah, I was willing to at least understand the massive delays of Feast and Dance, but the fact that WoW is taking just as long as the other two and maybe even longer... I don't know, it just smells like bullshit.

 

[Madness]

What a mess.

It's frustrating that they will spoil the books, it's kinda disrespectful since the autor didn't even finish his saga himself. Someone else telling the end of your own story before you is weird. Of course you can point that GRRM was slow and they had a contract. But they have enough material to delay the story progress. And of course, it's terrible for the readers who invested their times on this. They really don't give a fuck about the readers now. And the worst part, it's that almost everything the show tried to do differently they did bad. Can't see they doing good without the source material.

And this readers x non-readers fight is stupid.

It's disrespectful that the author allowed the television rights to his books be bought out by HBO and then allowed them to film 5 years ago knowing full well that he wasn't finished the books? This is entirely GRRM's fault. If he couldn't finish the books, he shouldn't have signed the deal. As it is, it's turned him into one of the most famous authors in the world, he's at every comic-con and convention now, on talk shows at night, even getting spots and front row at the Emmy Awards. He's probably making bank.

Don't blame the showrunners, don't blame the actors, don't even blame HBO. Blame GRRM. Either finish your books, or be prepared for the show to move ahead.

 

[Kickz]

Great now I don't have to hear anymore of "ooh you think they will get introduced here" and "they got his character all wrong"

 

[Count of Monte Sawed-Off]

Yeah, I was willing to at least understand the massive delays of Feast and Dance, but the fact that WoW is taking just as long as the other two and maybe even longer... I don't know, it just smells like bullshit.

After ADWD he pretty much took a year off of writing and traveled and attended conventions and shit like that. And then even when he got back into writing he was still all over the map attending various functions. And he only writes when he's at home, and all that traveling has to take energy out of a person. It's only in the last little bit or so that he seems to have become more focused on the book.

 

[Calamari41]

After ADWD he pretty much took a year off of writing and traveled and attended conventions and shit like that. And then even when he got back into writing he was still all over the map attending various functions. And he only writes when he's at home, and all that traveling has to take energy out of a person. It's only in the last little bit or so that he seems to have become more focused on the book.

So, yeah. D&D aren't being "disrespectful" here.

 

[Kimaka]

Cool, maybe this will reduce the hyper sensitivity to spoilers every Game of Thrones thread has that makes it annoying to read.

 

[Forkball]

The proud, know-it-all book readers having their fortunes reversed after mocking show watchers for years can only be described as GRRM-esque.

 

[foxtrot3d]

Maybe it comes off differently to book readers but I never felt like their relationship was some overly romantic love story. In any case, it actually makes the red wedding and the weight of Robb's fuck up even harder to swallow, for me at least.



eh, it was a dumb scene, but just a scene. I'm not worked up about it and honestly am not invested enough in the Greyjoy plot to care too much.

My larger point is, whenever someone highlights these major differences between the books and the show, 9 times out of 10 it barely registers with me. Maybe if I had the books as a frame of reference it would stick out worse and be more annoying to watch, but most of the criticisms raised about how the show (mis)interprets the books are, more often than not, never resonate with me as actual problems. Like I said earlier, my biggest sticking point is with Stannis, and that's just how he's written on the show. I have no other context with which to judge him by, but looking at him as a show-only fan, I think he sucks.



it also doesn't help that I completely dislike Melisandre as a character. I don't normally think the show is aiming to be as over-the-top graphic just for the sake of showing violence and sex, but the portrayal of Melisandre to me never not seems like pointless titillation.

That's the problem, once you've read the books you suddenly understand how much worse so many things are in the show. As someone mentioned earlier their treatment regarding some of Jamie's actions is mind boggling, killing his cousin and raping his sister, are you fookin serious? Let me be very clear here, Jaimie would NOT do that. Him killing his cousin was simply a useless attempt by the writers to make Jaimie still appear evil, but then when he's on his redemption arc he gets a weird rape scene that is quickly forgotten as Cercei proceeds to jump on him in the finale. By the way, there's a huge problem with that scene in the finale.

Fucking Jaimie has sex with Cercei in the White Sword Tower!!!! THE FUCK! How could D&D allow that to happen?! Now, you must be thinking what are you all so bent up about? What's this Sword Tower? Well, it's the Tower where the Kingsgaurd are based, where they sleep, plan, eat, etc. And, it is basically a holy place to Jaimie. It is the one place Jaimie refuses to have sex with Cercei, this being after they have sex near Joffery's altar. And Cercei's reaction after his refusal is just golden material. But no, the show has them have freakin sex in the Tower, right on the Lord Commander's table where the White Book sits.

It's shit like that which a pure show watcher would never pick up on or understand that makes a book reader go crazy. Like, how can D&D read the books and then allow that?

 

[SquiddyCracker]

That's the problem, once you've read the books you suddenly understand how much worse so many things are in the show. As someone mentioned earlier their treatment regarding some of Jamie's actions is mind boggling, killing his cousin and raping his sister, are you fookin serious? Let me be very clear here, Jaimie would NOT do that. Him killing his cousin was simply a useless attempt by the writers to make Jaimie still appear evil, but then when he's on his redemption arc he gets a weird rape scene that is quickly forgotten as Cercei proceeds to jump on him in the finale. By the way, there's a huge problem with that scene in the finale.

Fucking Jaimie has sex with Cercei in the White Sword Tower!!!! THE FUCK! How could D&D allow that to happen?! Now, you must be thinking what are you all so bent up about? What's this Sword Tower? Well, it's the Tower where the Kingsgaurd are based, where they sleep, plan, eat, etc. And, it is basically a holy place to Jaimie. It is the one place Jaimie refuses to have sex with Cercei, this being after they have sex near Joffery's altar. And Cercei's reaction after his refusal is just golden material. But no, the show has them have freakin sex in the Tower, right on the Lord Commander's table where the White Book sits.

It's shit like that which a pure show watcher would never pick up on or understand that makes a book reader go crazy. Like, how can D&D read the books and then allow that?

TV-canon and Book-canon - the Jaime on the show is not the Jaime in the books.
To look towards the Book-canon for a guide to TV-Jaime's behaviour is bound to cause you frustration.

Jaime in the show is a coward golden boy who only cares about his own name - creating a legacy for himself through his "heroic" actions that will stand throughout the ages. Once he loses his sword hand, he completely falls into despair and stops giving a shit about the values he used to hold dear to him (including him being a King's guard.) He realized that with just one hand, he'd have no chance of becoming part of written history through his deeds.

 

[Lothar]

A lot of these are just saying things -- I have no idea why "Talisa" and "Ros" are meant to mean as criticisms, unless your problem is with their names. Grey Worm x Missandei? oh my god, I know, they completely derailed the show with those harmless couple of scenes!!

The only thing I agree with here is Stannis. I have no idea how he's portrayed in the books, but he's a complete simp in the show and it's impossible to take him seriously as a credible...anything.

Does Ros really need explanation? Almost every scene of hers is pointless and awful. I've been thinking a long time about ripping the DVDs to my computer just so I can take out all of the Ros scenes and other sexposition and make a vastly better show.

 

[SquiddyCracker]

Does Ros really need explanation? Almost every scene of hers is pointless and awful. I've been thinking a long time about ripping the DVDs to my computer just so I can take out all of the Ros scenes and other sexposition and make a vastly better show.

Ros was a great character, she was a strong woman who tried to play the game - rising above her position as a lowly whore.

Unfortunately, playing the game with psychopaths has the tendency to get you killed. Without her, we wouldn't have gotten the "Chaos is a ladder"-speech - one of my favorite moments in the show.

 

[Count of Monte Sawed-Off]

So, yeah. D&D aren't being "disrespectful" here.

Yep, as weak as I think the show is, D&D really aren't at fault here.

 

[David Incorporated Esq.]

Wait Jaime has sex with Cersei in the tower? That refusal was a brilliant character point why would they change it? That just seems like an odd decision.

 

[rambis]

TV-canon and Book-canon - the Jaime on the show is not the Jaime in the books.
To look towards the Book-canon for a guide to TV-Jaime's behaviour is bound to cause you frustration.

Jaime in the show is a coward golden boy who only cares about his own name - creating a legacy for himself through his "heroic" actions that will stand throughout the ages. Once he loses his sword hand, he completely falls into despair and stops giving a shit about the values he used to hold dear to him (including him being a King's guard.) He realized that with just one hand, he'd have no chance of becoming part of written history through his deeds.

Jaime being in despair lasted all of like two episodes. He seemed like a proud kings guard, even refusing to take Tywins seat on the rock until Joffrey had some pokes at him.

 

[Calamari41]

TV-canon and Book-canon - the Jaime on the show is not the Jaime in the books.
To look towards the Book-canon for a guide to TV-Jaime's behaviour is bound to cause you frustration.

Jaime in the show is a coward golden boy who only cares about his own name - creating a legacy for himself through his "heroic" actions that will stand throughout the ages. Once he loses his sword hand, he completely falls into despair and stops giving a shit about the values he used to hold dear to him (including him being a King's guard.) He realized that with just one hand, he'd have no chance of becoming part of written history through his deeds.

Um... this is quite literally the exact opposite of what Jaime actually feels/decides.

 

[SquiddyCracker]

Jaime being in despair lasted all of like two episodes. He seemed like a proud kings guard, even refusing to take Tywins seat on the rock until Joffrey had some pokes at him.

That's more to do with him not giving a shit about the family legacy, he's sticking up to Tywin and Joffrey out of hate.

 

[Dénouement]

Though I hated Ros, I hated how quickly and easily they just disposed of her. Like, yeah, I get that the book readers hated her and thought she was a waste of time, but if they included her in the show so much, at least make her role have some impact

The way they killed her, it was like they just went, "Fine! We'll kill her! Happy? Geez!" It just made her scenes seem like an even bigger waste of time since her character went absolutely nowhere.

 

[bengraven]

Ugh, I'm so anal about replying to people when people question my post.

I'm mostly over this, but I don't think I'll ever get over reading the books (because I'm going to read them - they're too dense with information and great lines and there are a few characters who don't exist on TV I will want to see end) and knowing the ending of each character. That's so fucking aggravating.

The desperation in this post is so palpable I actually feel bad.

It's not desperation, it's more exasperation that I wasn't able to find words for.

Dude, please go back and read some of the book-reader reactions from this thread: http://neogaf.com/showthread.php?t=529128&page=155 concerning the Red Wedding (including yours) and tell me with a straight face that you don't understand some of the bitterness and smug satisfaction that certain people may get from this news.

I am not a book reader, and I totally understand why this is could be a huge bummer, but do not feign ignorance as to why people may react this way.

And I can count myself among the rare assholes who made TV watchers have a little bit of hell. I actually meant to point out my own reactions, but like I said earlier, I was a bit lost for words. With both the concept we all had to accept and with the pettiness I was seeing in here. And can I point out that I was banned for that? I wasn't able to talk about the last episode while it was happening because I was banned. I regretted my actions.

I personally do not believe anyone, including myself, were laughing completely out of evil self-righteousness. We laughed because we knew how you felt. You know how many people threw the book against the wall, or in the garbage, or just put it away for months because of that scene? We weren't doing it because "haha this person is going to suffer", we did it because it was "haha, this person is going to suffer like we already did 5, 10, 15 years ago, whenever we read the book". Hell, I've seen people STILL do it on Facebook, Goodreads, and in the case of my young friend who's reading them, in person and you know many of them are only TV viewers in some cases.

People stopped reading after the RW, people sent fucking DEATH THREATS to him. And you know what? A lot of us were spoiled, too, by assholes who were like "hey, check this book series out, it's crazy but the main character dies in the first book". I myself remember someone posting "poor Bran ", not behind spoiler tags at first, on GAF and reading the book expecting Bran to die. Someone else put up fake spoilers, so I kept reading thinking Theon was going to kill Robb.

What I'm saying is, we were pissed like you. I think maybe with the exception of a few sociopaths who love to see people suffer (like the asshole TV viewer who fast forwarded on HBO GO and posted the RW all over the internet and even referenced it in that very thread you posted if I remember correctly - maybe it was another forum), we grinchgrin.gif'ed because we knew how it felt.

 

[Exterminieren]

Well, It's my personal belief. If I am the author of something, I should be the one to end it. It's my personal artwork no one else should interfere. Again, it's my personal view on the matter that's why I said "kinda".

I'd hope that you wouldn't sell the rights to the work before it's finished, then.

 

[Kimaka]

That's the problem, once you've read the books you suddenly understand how much worse so many things are in the show. As someone mentioned earlier their treatment regarding some of Jamie's actions is mind boggling, killing his cousin and raping his sister, are you fookin serious? Let me be very clear here, Jaimie would NOT do that. Him killing his cousin was simply a useless attempt by the writers to make Jaimie still appear evil, but then when he's on his redemption arc he gets a weird rape scene that is quickly forgotten as Cercei proceeds to jump on him in the finale. By the way, there's a huge problem with that scene in the finale.

Fucking Jaimie has sex with Cercei in the White Sword Tower!!!! THE FUCK! How could D&D allow that to happen?! Now, you must be thinking what are you all so bent up about? What's this Sword Tower? Well, it's the Tower where the Kingsgaurd are based, where they sleep, plan, eat, etc. And, it is basically a holy place to Jaimie. It is the one place Jaimie refuses to have sex with Cercei, this being after they have sex near Joffery's altar. And Cercei's reaction after his refusal is just golden material. But no, the show has them have freakin sex in the Tower, right on the Lord Commander's table where the White Book sits.

It's shit like that which a pure show watcher would never pick up on or understand that makes a book reader go crazy. Like, how can D&D read the books and then allow that?

This is the exact scene that pushed me to read the books. It wasn't just Jame's rape, but Cersei's non-reaction to it that made no sense to me. I could not believe that Cersei, who is such a vindictive person, would not immediately push Jamie away. It made more sense once I found out that wasn't in the books and the show creators thought they portrayed a consensual sex scene.

 

[Phoenician_Viking]

I have no problem whatsoever with this.

When is the sixth book coming out?

 

[foxtrot3d]

I have no problem whatsoever with this.

When is the sixth book coming out?

When the sun rises in the west and sets in the east...

 

[shadowkat]

Well shit. Now I don't know what to do. I can't say I didn't expect this but still.

 

[Duress]

We get an ending, that's more than I expected at this point. Sounds good.

 

[Next]

fucking BS...

 

[Bleepey]

Though I hated Ros, I hated how quickly and easily they just disposed of her. Like, yeah, I get that the book readers hated her and thought she was a waste of time, but if they included her in the show so much, at least make her role have some impact

The way they killed her, it was like they just went, "Fine! We'll kill her! Happy? Geez!" It just made her scenes seem like an even bigger waste of time since her character went absolutely nowhere.

I heard she was written out cos she was tired of being known for her great bod.