water_wendi
Water is not wet!
Ygritte and that one Brotherhood archer were the best on the show afaik. Theon seemed like a good shot but nothing like those two.
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Game of Thrones *NO BOOK DISCUSSION* |OT2| Season 7 - [Read the OP]
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Ygritte and that one Brotherhood archer were the best on the show afaik. Theon seemed like a good shot but nothing like those two.
SurrenderDorothy
Banned
Nope, part of that is from the books. Shouldn't be here.
If this show is at all interested in making any sense it shouldn't be able to breathe anything.
Cuz it's dead, you know. Dead things don't breathe.
So, is it safe to say that "Beyond the Wall" was one of the most polarizing episodes of the series? That certainly seems to be the case, looking at this thread, and various other forums and reviews. Lots of strong reactions to it, both good and bad.
Yikes, that's... not good.
Yikes, that's... not good.
shinra-bansho
Member
Blue eyes wight dragon will clearly breathe wildfire.
SurrenderDorothy
Banned
It's polarising for sure. I liked some of it, hated some and loved a bit of it.
Honestly, this episode was all over the place.
Ocarina_117
Banned
Or maybe the writing in all the listed examples was 'bad'
The three prophecies were shown in a past flashback two season ago I believe. Have to rewatch it again. The witch even prophecied that Cersei's friend was already dead soon and it happened.
It makes a lot of sense. Jaime is a kingslayer and he killed one mad king. He is in an incestuous relationship that tarnishes his honor. All he has ever wanted in life is to do the right thing, but he can't stop fucking his sister and everyone knows him as the Kingsguard who both his oath for the right thing. The logical conclusion for such a character if his sister becomes the mad queen is to make him have to kill her. It's a tragic outcome that redeems the character morally while taking away the only thing left that means anything to him.
SurrenderDorothy
Banned
Apparently they have Dragonglass daggers, Jorah and the Hound had daggers that look exactly like it.
Should have been covered though.
Lasthope106
Member
At this point it makes me worried that it is from that HBO leak. The Ice Dragon theory proved to be correct and I can't feel like I was spoiled before it happened.
50h = "the best part of a week"?
It's basically 2 days, enough time for the ice to freeze again. But yes, a quick montage, and a small fire made with a few meager branches scavenged here and there, as well as a few fades to reinforce the point, would have gone a long way in establishing that the wait was more than overnight hours.
PS: people bitching about the Dragon dying.
You do realize that it was unavoidable, given that otherwise Dany would just go "Hold my beer Jon, brb" and wipe out the entire undead army, before coming back and say "So, can we get back on track with the whole Fuck Cercei train now?".
The writers HAD to establish why the Dragons can't be the ultimate trump card if they want a big bad battle. And they certainly do (and so do we, if we're being honest).
robotzombie
Member
I think they did, Jorah was using dragonglass daggers it looked like
DrROBschiz
Member
people are getting a bit critical of the time jumps
Yeah they defy logic but I totally get why they arent draggin things out for realism at this point
I think the viewer needs to infer passage of time and kind of let themselves go. We are winding down and they are pretty much condensing all the big plot points leading into the finale
Im ok with this. Best to let the individual scenes entertain and speak for themselves at this point.
No sense in allowing this story to pick up any more fatigue and Im enjoying the quality in everything else especially as far as pure entertainment.
I think we as the viewers can fill in the gaps with our own imagination and inferences and let the creators focus on making what they do show good
Ummm Ill admit we are getting dangerously tropey just a tad but i suppose they consider it a necessary evil for the sake of moving things along
Yeah they defy logic but I totally get why they arent draggin things out for realism at this point
I think the viewer needs to infer passage of time and kind of let themselves go. We are winding down and they are pretty much condensing all the big plot points leading into the finale
Im ok with this. Best to let the individual scenes entertain and speak for themselves at this point.
No sense in allowing this story to pick up any more fatigue and Im enjoying the quality in everything else especially as far as pure entertainment.
I think we as the viewers can fill in the gaps with our own imagination and inferences and let the creators focus on making what they do show good
Ummm Ill admit we are getting dangerously tropey just a tad but i suppose they consider it a necessary evil for the sake of moving things along
After sleeping on that episode... I'm still just agitated as hell. I really think if there were more than just one season left now's the time when I'd be checking out. With one left, I'll probably see it for curiosity, but holy cow this season has just killed any excitement I have for GoT and that episode was the last straw.
I just want to point out that when people post, "it looks like some people are just posting spoilers", that actually spoils more. I would just assume people were discussing theories but then a post like that pops in and it's clear that poster read spoilers and is confirming that something recently said is definitely happening. So thanks for ruining the dragon for me. At first I thought, "yeah that could make sense and would be cool", then "oh fuck that's definitely a spoiler".
Not sure if there is anything to do about it, but yeah..
Not sure if there is anything to do about it, but yeah..
SurrenderDorothy
Banned
Are people saying that those who theorised about the Ice Dragon were spoiling?
That's been talked about for years..
That's been talked about for years..
UnObtainium17
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Yes being constantly worried that anything is a spoiler is a very healthy way to consume entertainment. Surely.
Filthy Casual
Member
Don't think I even recognised that so yes it probably should have been lol.
But what is this is I'm seeing about Jamie killing Cersei? Noooo I don't believe that at all. Jamie's a good guy so one the hand I could see it but he's also very loyal to those he cares for, plus Cersei's even pregnant now! I would be shocked if he did her in. He would dishonour himself in so doing.
Robdraggoo
Member
As far as episode "9s" are concerned, certainly. I was really hyped for this one. It had really good highs and really bad lows.
I think the major problem is, unlike previous penultimate episodes, this has no build up.
Battle of the bastard was basically built up for a season and half.
Battle of Blackwater was built up for the whole season.
This episode was litterly built up in the last 10 minutes of last week's episode. I doesn't feel as big as it should have as a result
water_wendi
Water is not wet!
My feeling is that because the undead vs dragon has taken place so early basically ensures things wont end with a lot of "fan service."
digitalrelic
Banned
For all you fucking whiners:
RustyNails
Member
Yeah this season overall and this particular episode while heavy on payoff is disjointed.
First few episodes was EURON EURON EURON and now we havent seen the dude for two episodes.
SurrenderDorothy
Banned
Lmao, it's not going to stop anyone.
We're going to be hearing/reading time complaints for the rest of the year.
Wonder how pregnant Yara is at this point.
Jerry
Member
OK, but the show does nothing to suggest the timeframes between scenes. Its lazy
But it's her uncle
John Dunbar
correct about everything
cersei has probably given birth by now
Imperfected
Member
I mean, I personally couldn't care less about the logistics of Dany reaching them, but this just introduces the problem of how they survived four full days and nights of complete exposure to -20 weather without shelter.
The intention certainly did not seem to portray them as having been there for four days. They didn't even have a fire going.
My wife and I are LOVING the brisk pace / action focus. To an extent, I miss the political intrigue and backstabbing of the first few seasons, and the writing (and plot holes) have gotten worse, but it feels like more of a must-watch because every week is a spectacle with insane production value.
I've read the complaints in this thread - 50% of them I share - but none of them have affected my enjoyment of the show.
Last night there were probably 150-200+ posts complaining about how fast Dany got North of the wall with her dragons. Seriously, in a show with dragons, the Night King, women that can't be burned, giants, people being brought back from the dead, children that can control animals with their minds, the ability to wear someone else's face after they're dead, etc etc etc, the fact that ravens and dragons might fly a little faster than expectations is a bother? (also, they never showed how much time they were on the lake...it could have been 36 hours+)
I've read the complaints in this thread - 50% of them I share - but none of them have affected my enjoyment of the show.
Last night there were probably 150-200+ posts complaining about how fast Dany got North of the wall with her dragons. Seriously, in a show with dragons, the Night King, women that can't be burned, giants, people being brought back from the dead, children that can control animals with their minds, the ability to wear someone else's face after they're dead, etc etc etc, the fact that ravens and dragons might fly a little faster than expectations is a bother? (also, they never showed how much time they were on the lake...it could have been 36 hours+)
TimeEffect
Member
this is where I imagine the Night King does some dealings with isolated human groups. It'd just be really cool to imagine some kind of humans existing that do this kind of thing. Maybe some far out Essos travellers or something.
I don't think i've ever seen someone be so intensely eyefucked before
Emilia Clarke did some great work. She's spent seasons being boring but she's finally getting the development we need from her.
People expect logical consistencies. You can't just say "This show has dragons and magic, so nothing has to make sense". It's a cop out.
Robdraggoo
Member
I can suspend my disbelief enough to know that days and weeks can pass between scenes. Doesn't bother me at all.
Except know we have an actual calender in terms cersai pregnancy on the show to indicate time passage. Or should I say "pregnancy".
I want a scene where Jaime says "it's been 4 months and you dont have a bump, wtf?"
Agent Gibbs
Member
Because in the prophecy of the Witch, Cersei was told "You will wed the king, be Queen until there comes another, younger and more beautiful, to cast you down and take all that you hold dear
the King will have 20(?) children and she will have three, gold shall be their crowns and gold their shrouds, they will all die young painful deaths - all of that was mentioned in the flash back in the show, but it crucially left out "And when your tears have drowned you, the valonqar shall wrap his hands about your pale white throat and choke the life from you." The valongar being Valerian for the little brother
Everything has come to pass, so next is the death of her at the hands of the little brother, the obvious choice being Tyrion, but its a little too litteral, she obviously fears and hates him as she sees him as the one fortold to kill her, but Jamie is her brother and born second so is also a little brother.
Jamie has gone to great length to show he loves his children, he's grown over the series immensely and there have been many hints he is growing increasingly concerned with the tactics of Cersei and their inevitable defeat
Cersei cannot be pregnant, that much seems obvious, its not prophesised and is the perfect ploy to keep Jamie in line, when he finds out? he's going to be pissed, he already knows she brought about their childrens deaths through her actions, it seems reasonable he'd snap and thrust a sword into her.
It could be that at this meeting he finds this out, that the dead are real and that Cersei is mad, willing to brun all others to maintain her power.
Everthing has been telegraphed from the early series, the same can be said of Jon's lineage, which again conveniently didn't have bits from the book in, like internal monologues of Eddard, it stands to reason the same could be at work here
shinra-bansho
Member
Now explain why the wights managed to run past Jon and his merry band alongside them on the ice to encircle them, but not the shorter distance to their convenient rock.
bangbang i'm a timpani
Banned
yea honestly when Sam said Bran Stark had been beyond the wall for years I got pretty ticket. That means the white walkers have been marching towards the wall for an unknown amount of time meanwhile everyone can just teleport from the Wall to dragonstone etcetc
JadedWriter
Member
I've been waiting for him to realize how bad Cersei is for him since he stopped hanging out with Brienne. Honestly he should just kill Cersei.
I'm kind of wondering if the die-hards could ever be pleased with the final clashes of this story. Unless the "real" hook is more and more unexpected things happening.
Dany losing a dragon and having it turn sides is a huge and unexpected event. I wouldn't call it fan service or writing what people want to happen.
Arya and Sansa are in real danger and don't have plot armor to me. Jon and Dany do seem to have plot armor though, which should be obvious after Jon was brought back to life last season and the series being named after Ice and Fire which suggests that the largest plot point is about Jon/Dany vs white walkers.
Nikodemos
Member
ROFLMAO. Just like in my Japaneseoba-sama, kimi wa sugoi ne
daisuki dayo, oba-sama
I agree that they probably spend a couple days stuck there. But
1) They could've cut out Sansa/Arya boring shit to show more of the Jon group to clarify how long they had been there.
2) Where were they pissing/shitting?
3) It's a simple question of weight ratios. A five ounce bird could not carry a 1 pound coconut.
SurrenderDorothy
Banned
The final arc was always going to feel more like conventional fantasy.
Dragons, WWs, secret prince etc. It's tropey but I don't see how they could escape it after this is what they were building towards.
So I don't have a problem with that.
What I do have a problem with is the show feels like it's all over the place, I'll reserve judgement till I see the finale.
Dragons, WWs, secret prince etc. It's tropey but I don't see how they could escape it after this is what they were building towards.
So I don't have a problem with that.
What I do have a problem with is the show feels like it's all over the place, I'll reserve judgement till I see the finale.
Its a fantasy show man, what else could you want. I swear some whiners here think real time, space time and our reality applies to the show. This show covers different laws of physics, different space time, etc. Think of this as being ruled in an alternate universe where even physicists will tell you, don't run timewisr as us.
Criticizing something you like because you know they could've made a better job isn't "whining".
This episode did a bad job showing how much time the Squad spent on that island.
I suppose the bigger problem with the dragon showing up and carrying a wight out is that if it is that fast, why not simply have that be the plan in the first place?
What extra motivation did the raven create? It being a dangerous, almost suicidal mission was apparent from the outset.
What extra motivation did the raven create? It being a dangerous, almost suicidal mission was apparent from the outset.
toddhunter
Member
They already showed Craster dealing with them, so it is plausible.
What isn't plausible is why they went on that mission in the first place.
What is double not plausible is why Jon had to go on the mission. "I'm the only one who has faced them"
Firstly this isn't true. Secondly, this is irrelevant.
Nobody questions this.