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Game of Thrones *NO BOOK DISCUSSION* |OT2| Season 7 - [Read the OP]
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Isn't it his aunt?
TheRagnCajun
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Bran is the Gandalf of Game of Thrones. He is the most powerful character who is also conveniently absent during the most critical parts of the story. Apparently whatever visions Bran is having is more important than stopping Littlefinger from tearing apart Winterfell or helping Jon's party survive north of the wall. Come to think of it, it would have been far more logical if Bran had been following them as a raven. He could have seen that they were in trouble, warged into a different bird close to Dragon stone and then flew to tell Danny. In true Gandalf style I'm sure he will wait until the last possible moment when everything seems hopeless and then come through and save everyone a la Helms Deep.
There are a few things people have been talking about for like half the series now:
- The Wall falling
- Undead dragon
- Jon x Dany
- Jamie killing Cersei
These are plot points which have been telegraphed since early in the series. If they happen, it is well established that certain things foreshadowed them. If they don't happen then certain clues were red herrings. I don't think there's anything weird about it.
It also does not seem weird that people would be jumping on certain theories more as they become closer to reality. This is the season Dany's dragons are finally in Westeros, so....
People can worry all they want about leaks, but that's not going to change anything. Leaks will happen, some people will speculate knowing what happens and get it right. Some people will just speculate and get it right because certain things are obvious. In the end, who gives a fuck? It's all low hanging fruit.
I'm sure there are reasons.
Filthy Casual
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That dragon death was the most emotional death of the entire show, poor beast. Kinda glad it's been brought back as a zombie dragon. Jon surviving ridiculous odds is getting boring now though, please can he or 'Dany' just die already. Overall this season has been amazing so far though IMO, enjoyed every episode.
Imperfected
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I think Undead Dragons have been on the table since somewhere around the release of Warcraft 3.
At the point where the bear showed up and after the dragon died...well duh! But it's difficult to see people predicting this 1+ years ago. It's one thing to speculate "I wonder if there will be an undead dragons given that there's an undead giant/horse?" and completely another to go with confidence "Dany's going to ride Drogon and Jon on Rhaegal because Viserion will be revived by the Knight King as an undead dragon. I'm only suspecting this may happen because fire and ice"
cartographer
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And who gives a fuck if I just operate on the assumption that most people are in group A? What does it really matter? (It doesn't.)
But again, there's a lot of places a show can go and some people are going to get it right.
Zombie dragon was one of the safer calls.
Summer Haze
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Why is that so hard to believe? After watching the last scene in Hardhome when the NK raises the dead, one of my immediate thoughts afterwards was how I bet he'll do the same thing with one of Dany's dragons later on in the show, because it was obvious they would meet at some point. Some people watch a lot of TV, it's not hard to connect dots like that and I'm not surprised in the slightest that many did.
CGwizz
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radios shipping overview
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You forgot CotF I cast Magic Missile! PEW PEW PEW
matrix-cat
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Jon and Dany are young, gorgeous, powerful enough to do anything they want and totally unaware of their relatedness. You guys would all fuck your own aunts too in the same circumstances. And love it.
water_wendi
Water is not wet!
shinra-bansho
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Genetically they're basically siblings. Rhaegar and Dany are apparently supersiblings.
Summer Haze
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I loved the shot of Drogon letting out a cry as Vis fell. Only lasted a split second, should have been a little longer.
Genetically they're basically siblings. Rhaegar and Dany are apparently supersiblings.
Spartancarver
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Hey have you heard that sometimes the characters travel a strangely large amount of distance over a humorously short period of time?
I'm not sure if anyone has picked up on that in this thread but as a top level nerd with intimate knowledge of Westerosi geography I want to make it abundantly clear that I noticed this
water_wendi
Water is not wet!
i hope they have a good sound for the undead dragon.
See my edit. The difference is in the level of certainty with which people make these claims. Like the Jamie killing Cersei thing. People treat it as an inevitability.
MoonsaultSlayer
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My gripe with the "theories" was the person who predicted the huddled together on a rock in the middle of a frozen lake and a dragon coming to save them. The previews didn't make it look like a frozen lake that I recall so that was pure dickish on that poster's part.
Still, what a dumb dumb dumb episode.
Still, what a dumb dumb dumb episode.
Spat_triate
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Considering how easily one of Dany's main pieces was removed from the board, I think the take away here is how little of a threat dragons are to the NK.
It was super obviously going to happen. It's only logical that at least one of her dragons would die by show's end, so following that you can make a reasonable assumption that it could be brought back as a wight. And people have been predicting Jaime would kill Cersei for yeeeeeears, ever since he started to change in the river lands. But we don't even know that's going to happen at all.
DarkJediKnight
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Genetically they're basically siblings. Rhaegar and Dany are apparently supersiblings.
Are these two together or something? Who does a lip locking photoshoot?
JadedWriter
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I am still waiting for Arya to awaken her Geass powers.
Yes because the series is ending and there are obvious things that must happen.
Moff
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he's way too little for her
SurrenderDorothy
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Will Viserion still be able to breathe fire?
Spartancarver
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My prediction is magic blue fire which can melt the wall
radios shipping overview
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Group shot of last episode's MVP ravens:
Were any of them expert marksmen?
Yeah thats my question. Wouldn't it breathing fire kinda be against the Night Kings powers of control over ice?? I expext the Dragon to breath ice now
mugurumakensei
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There's also other shots with Cersei(Lena Headey) wrapping her arms around Theon(don't know the actors name) from the same day.
And no, it's not a photo shoot. i don't know what it means though cause I could have sworn Kit Harrington was seeing someone else but who knows?
SealedSeven
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Someone did the math in a reddit thread of the duration in the episode.
https://www.reddit.com/r/freefolk/comments/6u75t3/lets_do_the_math_on_how_long_it_would_take_a/
TL
R : It seems to me that the just over 4 day travel time required for Dany to to receive the Raven and fly to Eastwatch, seems to line up accurately with the amount of time it would take ice to grow enough to support an army of undead to fight on top of it in those conditions.
SurrenderDorothy
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The director for the finale's the same guy who directed Unbowed, Unbent, Unbroken.
I'm shook.
I'm shook.
cartographer
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If none of them were that's the fault of the raid leader for not recruiting any ranged DPS.
Jamie killing Cersei is obvious? I can see some argument being made for the undead dragon (though I still find it hard to fathom just the volume of people behind the idea and again the certainty behind these predictions) but the Jamie thing does not make sense at all unless.
I kind of don't see why Jamie would be one to bring about Cersei's death because of those scenes? I know there's another reason why people have been predicting it (unfortunately) but I'll stop.
Anyway, that episode was a but underwhelming given the expectations built up last in EastWatch but I guess spectacle is all that's left now.
toddhunter
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Let's do the math.
Given the wall is 100 leagues long (source Sam, who knows his shit) this puts Dragonstone around 1800 miles away from where they journeyed beyond the wall.
How long did it take Gendry to run back to the castle? Well it was uneven terrain, he would never have done any running in his life and he would be completely unused to the snow. The camera shots do give us clues, as he is shown to be running over several mountain ranges.
Lets give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he can run at 20mph which would make him competitive with the best marathon runners today. He leaves early in the morning and gets back to the castle at night. Assuming it was the same day Gendry ran around 190 miles.
Now, a raven can fly around 50mph, 60 if they are a racing raven who can fly at their max speed for very short distances. Let's assume these are some really buff ravens who can fly fast all day, because no doubt Ravens were kept fitter back then.
To fly to Dragonstone would take 30 hours. Add another hour to scribe the letter because those little bits of paper would be really fiddly to write on.
Ravens would not go straight to Dany, so assume another hour or so before the Raven gets to her, she gets dressed and probably has a good meal before setting off. She would also need to walk to her dragon which based on them being on a distant cliff would take another hour or two to reach.
Now how fast does a dragon fly? This is tough to measure as accurately as the previous figures because a) dragons don't exist and b) the dragons are different sizes and we can't be sure which dragon she rode on. We can speculate that a dragon could fly around 200 mph based on their wingspan, which is also made up. This gives us about a 10 hour flight time, assuming Dany had to stop somewhere around the Dreadfort because riding a dragon must be a real pain in the ass without a saddle and some sort of gloves to keep her hands warm while flying at 200mph and a wind chill factor of around -32 degrees C.
So overall? The team sitting on the middle of an ice lake were probably there, in the best case, for about 50 hours or the better part of a week. This seems fine.
Given the wall is 100 leagues long (source Sam, who knows his shit) this puts Dragonstone around 1800 miles away from where they journeyed beyond the wall.
How long did it take Gendry to run back to the castle? Well it was uneven terrain, he would never have done any running in his life and he would be completely unused to the snow. The camera shots do give us clues, as he is shown to be running over several mountain ranges.
Lets give him the benefit of the doubt and assume he can run at 20mph which would make him competitive with the best marathon runners today. He leaves early in the morning and gets back to the castle at night. Assuming it was the same day Gendry ran around 190 miles.
Now, a raven can fly around 50mph, 60 if they are a racing raven who can fly at their max speed for very short distances. Let's assume these are some really buff ravens who can fly fast all day, because no doubt Ravens were kept fitter back then.
To fly to Dragonstone would take 30 hours. Add another hour to scribe the letter because those little bits of paper would be really fiddly to write on.
Ravens would not go straight to Dany, so assume another hour or so before the Raven gets to her, she gets dressed and probably has a good meal before setting off. She would also need to walk to her dragon which based on them being on a distant cliff would take another hour or two to reach.
Now how fast does a dragon fly? This is tough to measure as accurately as the previous figures because a) dragons don't exist and b) the dragons are different sizes and we can't be sure which dragon she rode on. We can speculate that a dragon could fly around 200 mph based on their wingspan, which is also made up. This gives us about a 10 hour flight time, assuming Dany had to stop somewhere around the Dreadfort because riding a dragon must be a real pain in the ass without a saddle and some sort of gloves to keep her hands warm while flying at 200mph and a wind chill factor of around -32 degrees C.
So overall? The team sitting on the middle of an ice lake were probably there, in the best case, for about 50 hours or the better part of a week. This seems fine.
So it's like pokemon?
Is this what happens when you give your pokemon a stone to evolve? You stab them with it?
Imperfected
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Jon's actually been trained extensively with a bow, though whether or not he's actually any good with it is another matter entirely. (Arya talks in one of the episodes about how the boys would always train at archery and she was mad jelly.)
I'd imagine Tormund has a good chance of being an effective marksman, too, since Wildlings by definition are hunters. Not as good as Ygritte was, certainly, though he can probably string and shoot a bow.
Jorah maybe, as he seems like he was a pretty well-rounded knight.
The rest? Probably not.
UnObtainium17
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Once the NK dies by the hands of Jon Snow there will be peace and D&D will YuYu Hakusho their way out of season 8 and have a tourney of some sort to close everyones chapters.
mugurumakensei
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The prophecy says Cersei would be killed by her younger brother. Jamie has a rep for killing tyrannical leaders when they get too crazy. Jamie is technically Cersei's younger brother since he was born a little bit after her. It was pretty obvious where things were headed by the time Cersei killed all those people at the Trial.
SurrenderDorothy
Banned
Could Theon still use a bow? He was probably one of the best marksmen in the series before the torture started.
Is there any scene covering this in the show?
The undead ice dragon "prediction" was clearly bogus.
Jamie killing Cersei is a lot more obvious of a theory.
(Making this up now) Danaerys killing Cersei would be more a left field thing that could only come from spoilers.