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Game of Thrones *NO BOOK SPOILERS* |OT| Season 6 - Sundays on HBO [Read the OP]

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UnObtainium17

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Wow.. That shot of Jon facing horde of Bolton horsemen all by himself was the best showcase of how incredible the cinematography of this show can be. My favorite shot from the entire series. I wish i can turn that into my iPad background
 
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Elandyll

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TheRagnCajun said:
And of course littlefinger didn't send a raven or anything to let Sansa know he was coming. I didn't really get the sense of urgency considering Briene hadn't come back from her mission yet either. It was really amateur hour for the stark side.
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Nah, Brienne already let them know she failed.

They also knew they needed to strike before the big winter storms arrived (it was a short time coming with Stannis, must be even shorter now).
As far as Jon knew, this was All the help they ever were gonna get, so you're down with this: go through the gauntlet, avoid pincer attacks, and kill Ramsay to try disorganize his army.

Otoh, there was 0 downside for Sanda to go ahead and say:
"Jon, I did not tell you this because I have my doubts about him and I went through things I would rather not talk about at the moment (accomplice to murder), but Peter Baelish has a Vale Knight force ready to assist us at my demand stationned near Castle Black. I have made that demand a few days ago via crow. If he is going to come through and help us, he can be here as early as tomorrow with more than 2000 mounted knights.
Wait -2- days, and then make your decision."
 
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xaosslug

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TehGoomba said:
Is the 7/6 episode split across the next 2 seasons 100% confirmed? Disappointing if so.
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that's what show runners are considering (probably for budgetary reasons, esp after what Battle of the Bastards probs cost...), but nothing has been set in stone, etc.
 
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Future PhaZe

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So the Bolton house is eradicated now

Umbers need to be put to the sword too for that bullshit

Lannisters going to have to roll back to Kings Landing with the quickness after the fukkery that happens in episode 10, leaving Frey all by himself against the North, dudes in trouble
 
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Hot Coldman

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forget the battle, this episode was all about that Yara/Dany sexual tension

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Herne

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xaosslug said:
no one thinks Margaery has a plan, that will end up working? We're clearly being shown the 'younger generation of women' coming into their own/power... I can only assume Margaery has some plan to somehow unseat/expose the High Sparrow..
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She has a plan, whether it works or not I don't know. She's a clever girl, but I always thought the young queen prophesied to strike down everything Cersei holds dear is Daenerys, not Margaery.

i feel like whatever Cersei has planned will blow up in her face, as usual. LOL
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That goes without saying!
 
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fionel

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Jon being stupid enough to charge towards thousands of enemies out of anger after Rickon's death - ok, I can maintain my suspension of disbelief.

The alleged 6000 men on the Bolton's and the 2500'ish on Jon's side looking more like 1/10 the number - ok, I can forget the numbers for a few minutes and give in to my suspension of disbelief.

But when Ramsay has a chance to fire an arrow at 3 of the targets in plain open sight and he chose Wun Wun over Jon Snow - that is the straw that broke the camel's back. He obviously despises Jon, and being the last man standing I find it hard to believe that he would pick off the dying giant rather than his own nemesis and the opposing commander in this battle. It just screams cliche to me!
 
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Zaph

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Putting issues with the overall season aside, this episode was a masterclass in production. GoT's scale elevated past television a long time ago, but the sweeping, crystal-clear shots of the battle puts it up there with the best of the genre's cinema.

The scenes of Jon getting crushed and suffocated were especially well done and convincing. Films often enjoy the glamour shots of war - swords swinging, horses charging - but it's rare to see something as ugly as being trapped under the weight of your own men. Genuinely thought he could die there too.

Sansa's arc continues to impress and I hope it leads somewhere big. She's not cold or unfeeling, she's just learned how the world works and wants to win. All things considered, I'm starting to think the show earned that controversial scene.

TehGoomba said:
Is the 7/6 episode split across the next 2 seasons 100% confirmed? Disappointing if so.
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From the reviews I read of the last book (the story drags, very little happens, etc), and the pacing of this season, I think that's for the best. I wouldn't be surprised if D&D sat down with GRRM and they realised there's not actually that much more story to tell.
 
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Meier

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xaosslug said:
that's what show runners are considering (probably for budgetary reasons, esp after what Battle of the Bastards probs cost...), but nothing has been set in stone, etc.
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I'd highly doubt it's a budget thing. HBO is really struggling right now with their drama shows and would do anything they could to keep this going for as long as possible. It's just burn out and lack of source material affecting this theoretical decision I'd imagine.
 
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Zaptruder

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Man... this episode. Intense. Hit all the feels.

And you know... sure, a bunch of plot holes everywhere from sound commandering minds.

But sometimes, you gotta know how to ignore extraneous details to make great dramatic pulp.

I mean, shit could've gone down however many different ways, but in this version, you get great shots, great beats, super huge tension.

Oh man... just probably the best TV episode of anything in a long time.
 
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Netherscourge

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fionel said:
Jon being stupid enough to charge towards thousands of enemies out of anger after Rickon's death - ok, I can maintain my suspension of disbelief.

The alleged 6000 men on the Bolton's and the 2500'ish on Jon's side looking more like 1/10 the number - ok, I can forget the numbers for a few minutes and give in to my suspension of disbelief.

But when Ramsay has a chance to fire an arrow at 3 of the targets in plain open sight and he chose Wun Wun over Jon Snow - that is the straw that broke the camel's back. He obviously despises Jon, and being the last man standing I find it hard to believe that he would pick off the dying giant rather than his own nemesis and the opposing commander in this battle. It just screams cliche to me!
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Didn't really matter at that point.

The gate was destroyed and Jon's men were pouring into Winterfell behind him.

Plus, even if Ramsay somehow killed all of 3 them, he'd have the whole of the Knights of the Vale coming in right afterward.

Ramsay was done. He wanted wanted to hurt Jon more than kill him. Taking down Wun Wun as Jon was reaching to pay him a final respect was more along Ramsay's personality than just killing Jon outright.

At the end of the day, Ramsay was a psychopath and his thinking was never rational or stable. In that, Sansa was 100% right.
 
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Pejo

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That was a really fantastic episode. Ramsey's plan was as evil as it was effective. In a way, I'm sad to see him go, if only because at his best, he was a top-tier villain. I disliked a lot of stuff they did to make you go "OK WE GET IT, HE'S A BAD MAN!" but this episode was honestly one of his very best. Fitting end too, but they foreshadowed the dog thing so much, I don't know how you wouldn't see it coming.

The scene that really stuck out to me was definitely where Jon was suffocating in the pile of dead bodies. I was actually getting a little uncomfortable watching that, feeling a little claustrophobic. Really encapsulates how much it would suck to be in that position.

Now to see if the remaining Starks can actually manage to get back together.
 
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Zaptruder

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fionel said:
Jon being stupid enough to charge towards thousands of enemies out of anger after Rickon's death - ok, I can maintain my suspension of disbelief.

The alleged 6000 men on the Bolton's and the 2500'ish on Jon's side looking more like 1/10 the number - ok, I can forget the numbers for a few minutes and give in to my suspension of disbelief.

But when Ramsay has a chance to fire an arrow at 3 of the targets in plain open sight and he chose Wun Wun over Jon Snow - that is the straw that broke the camel's back. He obviously despises Jon, and being the last man standing I find it hard to believe that he would pick off the dying giant rather than his own nemesis and the opposing commander in this battle. It just screams cliche to me!
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Killing Wun Wun is to taunt Snow. Issuing Snow a challenge is a way of legitimizing his last possible avenue of victory/escape from the situation. Killing Snow without a challenge doesn't yield any semblance of possible escape.

Plus, he'd rather taunt Snow and show dominance.
 
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this_guy

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I don't get all the 'Sansa was trying to kill Jon' by not telling him about reinforcements.

She wrote a letter asking for help from Baelish but it was never shown that help was granted (the audience was expecting a Gandalf moment but no reason Sansa would).

She also told Jon they need more men in the previous episode. Jon's response: "We fight with the army we have."

That said, great episode. I still preferred the battle at Hardhome and Jon killing the Whitewalker was the single greatest moment of the series so far. But this battle was extremely tense which was great. I though Tormund was a goner.

Greyworm showing what he's capable of. I hope we get to see him be a badass as the series goes on.
 
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TheLostBigBoss

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We are basically at the end now.

Starks are back in control of the North.

Danny has her army, navy, and dargons.

Kings Landing is about to become a pile of ash, and with it the last semblance of order in the Seven Kingdoms as White Walkers start to invade from the North.

If you think this season was fast, better buckle in bucklrue
 
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Samurai G0SU

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Wonder if they will burn all of those piles of bodies and show it on screen. Like kings landing will be able to see the smoke rising or something like that. some type of revelation that the Starks are back.

I imagine Arya comes back and kills Jamie.
 
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BobTheFork

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Really entertaining episode!

I think the last second let downs and saves have become too much. You know Rickon is going to die right at the last moment. You know the the Vale is going to come in at the last possible saving moment. They are good with using the tension but it's too unbelievable now.

Wonderful horrific battle. It started the get too much for me. Gore, fast cuts and tiny spaces made it extremely intense. Ramsey got ended the way it should have. I tend to say this often but now it's a wonder where they go next now that they got Winterfell back. They don't automatically have order in the North and the walkers should really be right on top of them soon.

The preview made the next episode look so benign but it should have some good chaos too.
 
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-griffy-

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Meier said:
I'd highly doubt it's a budget thing. HBO is really struggling right now with their shows and would do anything they could to keep this going for as long as possible. It's just burn out and lack of source material affecting this theoretical decision I'd imagine.
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I think as they are approaching the end, they have gotten a sense of how much story they actually have left. You pair that with the idea that the scope is going to get even larger than what we saw in this episode, with presumably the entire north banding together in a full scale battle with the White Walker's immense army, and then Dany's entire armada assaulting Westeros with Yara's entire fleet+the master's fleet+probably Euron's fleet, and three even bigger dragons going full on dragon attack instead of the sample attack in this episode which was already massive in scale. Then Jon and Dany teaming up against the White Walkers? Or everyone fighting each other in a giant three way battle? It's gonna be fucking nuts.

It took them 25 days just to shoot the Winterfell stuff in this episode. Not even including the Meereen stuff, not even including the immense post production. You have to assume the show is going to get to the point that they are going to have multiple episodes in a row of this scale, or bigger. They literally aren't going to have the time in a 365 day year to get a 10 episode season of that scale done. It just won't be possible. It's a simple logistical necessity that they shorten the seasons.
 
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MMBosstones86

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TheRagnCajun said:
And of course littlefinger didn't send a raven or anything to let Sansa know he was coming. I didn't really get the sense of urgency considering Briene hadn't come back from her mission yet either. It was really amateur hour for the stark side.
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Brienne sent a Raven saying she failed in getting Blackfish's support/troops.
 
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More_Badass

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Samurai G0SU said:
Wonder if they will burn all of those piles of bodies and show it on screen. Like kings landing will be able to see the smoke rising or something like that. some type of revelation that the Starks are back.

I imagine Arya comes back and kills Jamie.
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They better unless they want to add thousand of bodies to the Night King's army
 
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dc89

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gutshot said:
I've seen some people asking for hi-res photos from last night's episode, so I've made a Dropbox album of all the official publicity photos sent out by HBO. It includes some great shots.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/zkfbrfxfcg4dv5i/AAA0oJI2C7NQiDdTT4tc4a4ra?dl=0
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That's awesome - thanks.

The first shot - i just watched the behind the scene video linked slightly higher up the page and I was amazed to learn that's not CGI - they charged 40 horses at Kit Harrington. Amazing stuff.
 
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TheLostBigBoss

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RDreamer said:
It wasn't the Volantis to Mereen part that was necessarily unbelievable. It was the Iron Islands to Volantis part:



Theon and Yara sailed pretty much the length of the known world to get there.
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again, it's best to view separate plot threads as non-parallel until they converge.

Danny's plot could easily be taking place a few months in the future of Westeros's current plot lines and nothing would change.

As in, Theon goes to Mereen, and while he was traveling that's when the BoB took place.
 
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William Bonney

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Why does everyone think that Sansa knew about the Knights of the Vale showing up? It was never implied and if I remember correctly Littlefinger planned on going to Winterfell long before she ever sent the crow.
 
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Epix

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I can see why Sansa didn't know for sure that the Vale was coming, but why not let Jon know that they "might" be coming? She must not fully trust him...
 
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Vashetti

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Samurai G0SU said:
Wonder if they will burn all of those piles of bodies and show it on screen. Like kings landing will be able to see the smoke rising or something like that. some type of revelation that the Starks are back.

I imagine Arya comes back and kills Jamie.
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Geography, how does it work?
 
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ThePeoplesBureau

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UnObtainium17 said:
Wow.. That shot of Jon facing horde of Bolton horsemen all by himself was the best showcase of how incredible the cinematography of this show can be. My favorite shot from the entire series. I wish i can turn that into my iPad background
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I put this together (obviously spoilerific for anyone who hasn't watched)

Click me:
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fionel

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Netherscourge said:
Didn't really matter at that point.

The gate was destroyed and Jon's men were pouring into Winterfell behind him.

Plus, even if Ramsay somehow killed all of 3 them, he'd have the whole of the Knights of the Vale coming in right afterward.

Ramsay was done. He wanted wanted to hurt Jon more than kill him. Taking down Wun Wun as Jon was reaching to pay him a final respect was more along Ramsay's personality than just killing Jon outright.

At the end of the day, Ramsay was a psychopath and his thinking was never rational or stable. In that, Sansa was 100% right.
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Zaptruder said:
Killing Wun Wun is to taunt Snow. Issuing Snow a challenge is a way of legitimizing his last possible avenue of victory/escape from the situation. Killing Snow without a challenge doesn't yield any semblance of possible escape.

Plus, he'd rather taunt Snow and show dominance.
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Points taken. Always love to be proven wrong ;)
 
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Natiko

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While I did enjoy this episode a lot there are far too many people forgiving Jon's idiocy. Had he not charged then a large portion of the bleak situation they were in prior to the Knights of the Vale showing up wouldn't have occurred. Jon is certainly not Robb.
 
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Zepp Twofist

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Episode looked great, action was great. Everything was great. Except Jon who was just a bumbling idiot throughout the episode. Why people choose to follow someone so incompetent is beyond me. Lucky that he is immune to being shot by arrows.
 
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Fox Mulder

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BreezyLimbo said:
That too! When they focused on him/had him in wide-shots, I was imagining how cool it would be if he had this giant flail that he could sweep the legs with. Nope, have him be barehanded. No tree log, not riding a mammoth, not even a dagger.
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Has to be the first time he faced a proper military though. I'm surprised they didn't freak out when they saw a fucking giant ripping men apart though.
 
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Netherscourge

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Well, despite all the fan theories, we now know for sure that:

1. Shaggy dog is, in fact, dead.
2. Umber was, in fact, a traitor.

Nymeria and Ghost are the only dire wolves left. Hopefully, Arya reunites with her wolf one day.
 
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diamount

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Netherscourge said:
Well, despite all the fan theories, we now know for sure that:

1. Shaggy dog is, in fact, dead.
2. Umber was, in fact, a traitor.

Nymeria and Ghost are the only dire wolves left. Hopefully, Arya reunites with her wolf one day.
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Her first stop is the Riverlands, so I have no doubt.
 
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soundscream

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Samurai G0SU said:
I'm not sure how it is really, as i dont pay much attention to the opening map scene. SO that is why i have it as a question. Thanks for the condescending comment though, great input. :)
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In season 1 Cerci says it took them a month to get from Kings Landing to Winterfell.......I don't think they will see any smoke.
 
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Aurongel

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The writers can leave a lot of travel time ambiguous due to the nature of these parallel plot threads not necessarily occurring concurrently. You could technically say that the siege of Mereen took place in the future relative to where Theon/Yara were earlier this season. It's not very cinematic to keep them out of the story for that long and the passage of time lends them some leeway in that regard. It would have only bothered me if they addressed precisely where Dany's plot was in relation to the overall timeline.

gutshot said:
I've seen some people asking for hi-res photos from last night's episode, so I've made a Dropbox album of all the official publicity photos sent out by HBO. It includes some great shots.

https://www.dropbox.com/sh/zkfbrfxfcg4dv5i/AAA0oJI2C7NQiDdTT4tc4a4ra?dl=0
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Best shot episode of anything in the history of television. I have no reservations saying that.
 
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