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What was the point then?
Establishing Dany's strength and how her enemies wooden ships are powerless. It's not about it being a fight.
It's a small thing, but when Rickon's body was recovered and brought to Jon, I was really surprised he didn't immediately run to Melisandre and demand she bring him back. She would have no doubt refused or it wouldn't work, but that seemed like a very Jon thing to do. Or at least have Sansa question if he could be brought back.
It seems pretty clear by now that the show is telling us the Stark boys aren't very smart - just like their father (hence dispelling the Tower of Job myth). Robb died because he was exactly like Eddard. Bran's impatience has started god-knows-what time travel problems. Jon got himself killed, even when the writing was on the wall. Maybe Rickon would have been the smart one? Guess we'll never know.
They all have good intentions, but their execution leaves a lot to be desired in a place like Westeros.
It seems pretty clear by now that the show is telling us the Stark boys aren't very smart - just like their father (hence dispelling the Tower of Job myth). Robb died because he was exactly like Eddard. Bran's impatience has started god-knows-what time travel problems. Jon got himself killed, even when the writing was on the wall. Maybe Rickon would have been the smart one? Guess we'll never know.
They all have good intentions, but their execution leaves a lot to be desired in a place like Westeros.
He knew she died, but he didn't know she was sacrificed to the red god. His blame would have been against Ramsay Bolton, but now he realizes the red woman was the reason she died.
Jon isn't happy about his own resurrection, it wouldn't make sense for him to want her to bring him back and impose on Rickon whatever height Jon in feeling.
Is Sansa even aware that Jon was resurrected by magic?
She might have just been told about the backstabbing and assumed a more traditional recovery by Jon.
ooooh I forgot he wasn't there during the sacrifice, he was up north.
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all of you saying "oh Jon is a dumbass!"
er, yeah.
the whole point of this episode is Sansa Knew Better. the whole episode serves to finally turn her into the woman she's been threatening to be for a while. she knew Jon would be baited by Ramsay and she was there to save his sorry arse with the Vale troops. his foolish way is exemplified to serve her character development.
the final scene exists to drives it all home, it ends on her victorious face intentionally. ultimately it wasn't the most thematically deep episode - this was the Shit Finally Happens episode, the big noisy turning of the cog that drowns out the sound of the other gears turning - but that was pretty clear to see
interesting to see where she goes from here
er, yeah.
the whole point of this episode is Sansa Knew Better. the whole episode serves to finally turn her into the woman she's been threatening to be for a while. she knew Jon would be baited by Ramsay and she was there to save his sorry arse with the Vale troops. his foolish way is exemplified to serve her character development.
the final scene exists to drives it all home, it ends on her victorious face intentionally. ultimately it wasn't the most thematically deep episode - this was the Shit Finally Happens episode, the big noisy turning of the cog that drowns out the sound of the other gears turning - but that was pretty clear to see
interesting to see where she goes from here
I'm talking about the minds of the Masters to betray the peace agreement. They wouldn't have started the fight without thinking they could win, yet gave up very easily.
I already know the show writers want Dany to be established as the most powerful (living) force in the universe.
This episode didn't seem any more or less thematically/narratively deep than any other penultimate episode. I just think that people feel a little hollow because the setup for this episode was far more botched than the ramp up stage of prior seasons. That's a fair criticism to levy on the season as a whole but I don't think that's a valid criticism to leverage against this episode more so than prior penultimate episodes.
I don't fault him for rushing after his brother, it's when he decided to then rush ahead alone afterwards. He led his smaller army out of their entrenched position and had it not been for the Knights of the Vale that would've been their demise. He fell right into Ramsay's trap.
He avoided the rain of arrows by specifically charging FORWARD after Rickon was shot, that marked the point where he truly understood what Ramsay's score was and acted against it. Turning back to regroup would have been his death, guaranteed.
Yup, it was a lose/lose situation, the moment he ran off to Rickon and didnt stop was the moment he feel into Ramsay trap. After Rickon died it was too late, that's why Ramsay waited so long to kill him.
It's like getting the best gift you didnt know you wantedforget the battle, this episode was all about that Yara/Dany sexual tension
Yara is one of my favs now.
But that battle, omg, the direction, A+. From the begining with Rickon and the Jon Snow facing the cavaliers - really got me thinking that maybe they were gonna go for an epic fall just like that for him - then being surrounded, Jon getting drowned in bodies. And that last part, when Jon stopped punching, got Mountain/Viper flashbacks. I was expecting to finsih him off. OK I see now what they wanted for his end.
But even at the cell with Sansa talking to him, I felt he still had the upper hand, it was like watching the Joker from The Dark Knight.
Great actor and character and awesome direction. Cant wait for last episode.
PS: Even Daenerys came off cool in that episode.
PS2: My heart! Seriously my heart, I almost wanted to stop watching and just read what happened.
You've ignored all the posts including part of mine answering why the master thought they could win. The dragons were not a factor.
Also it's not about being the strongest force ever, it's about her controling her three dragons as a single force.
Luck helped him out after that, bigtime. This will be addressed in the next episode when Sansa confronts him about it, it will also make the two of them indebted to LF in a way that will cause future conflict.
Miles Quaritch
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This shot man...the music, the tension. Holy shit.
So, now that The Masters are no more, Meereen is safe and Dany has a shit ton of boats, will she head off to Westeros? And if she did, who does she leave behind to be Meereen's ruler? I'm thinking it'd probably be Missandei cus she needs Tyrion for when she arrives at Westeros.
I did not ignore them, my statement of it not making sense was in relation to the Masters which I had mentioned prior to your response.
Ghostmaster
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If the dragons weren't a factor for the masters then they are idiots plain and simple.
That is one of the reasons why Danny's storyline sucks, she hasn't ever met even a semi-decent opponent, just a row of idiots, who all apparently forget that dragons breathe fire.
First there was the stupid warlock who allowed himself to get burned to a crisp by baby dragons, then there was the stupid master who for some reason had a dragon chained and flying and his ass burnt, and now these 3 idiots who had their fleet burnt by these same dragons.
Danny escaped their assassins by riding a dragon, if you are going to a negotiation with that same woman and not even think for a second "oh wait dragons" then you are an incompetent moron.
Danny has the strongest army in the show, there is no need to further handicap her opponents by making them stupid.
At least have the masters have a plan for taking out the dragon that fails, don't just make them shit their pants
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What an amazing shot. Going to have to rewatch this ep again tonight.
Daenery's conquest of Westeros will be the most onesided thing ever.
10000 Dothraki + god knows how many Unsullied + most likely the entire Dorne army + 100 ships and a sizable portion of the ironborn army + 3 dragons
Who's gonna stand up to that? Especially with the Lannisters and Tyrells having their own crisis going on
10000 Dothraki + god knows how many Unsullied + most likely the entire Dorne army + 100 ships and a sizable portion of the ironborn army + 3 dragons
Who's gonna stand up to that? Especially with the Lannisters and Tyrells having their own crisis going on
BannedEpisode
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Jon is really impulsive and foolish with his choices, but it really bugs me that Sansa withheld the info about the Vale army.
It likely means that Littlefinger asked her to do as much so that he would hold all the cards in terms of military force when he rides in to save the day and mop up the remainders.
More is going to be revealed on that end. Don't be surprised if it turns out that Littlefinger demands to marry Sansa in exchange for keeping their military support in the interim months.
Orochinagis
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White Walkers
Hand shaking should be the new thing.
If she arrives. Shes been building an army for the past 5 seasons.
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Made a couple gifs:
Someone will add some quick time events buttons to this
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What an amazing shot. Going to have to rewatch this ep again tonight.
You know, this moment was a pretty powerful reminder to Jon and the audience that he doesn't have to face this shit alone. That he isn't facing it alone. He tried to lead the Night's Watch and do the right thing, and they turned on him, were unwilling to follow him, and killed him. He believes he failed and was punished for that failure. This is a big demonstration that people are willing to follow him, and in fact to fight and die for him. A signal that maybe he didn't fail the way he assumed. There's gotta be some affirmation for him in that moment when he realizes he's not alone.
Ghostmaster
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So is the red witches reluctance when talking to Snow about her God of light a sign that her belief is still shaken? She was very reserved and almost critical now when talking about the lord of light.
The guy in your avatar might have something to say about that.
The One Who Knocks
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Daenerys related, two things stuck out to me this episode, first Tyrion telling Daenerys of the wildfire underneath Kingslanding (if Cersei doesn't use it, Daenerys sure is in a position to be like her father), and secondly the matter of all her followers wanting independence; she's going to have a big people-management issue on her hands when she arrives.
The masters aren't stupid for not factoring in the dragons, the Masters are financing the Sons of the Harpies, and Daenerys chained her dragons up and then fled the city. Not only would they not have to factor in the dragons, they didn't even need to factor in Daenerys because she hadn't even returned until the siege was already well underway.
The masters aren't stupid for not factoring in the dragons, the Masters are financing the Sons of the Harpies, and Daenerys chained her dragons up and then fled the city. Not only would they not have to factor in the dragons, they didn't even need to factor in Daenerys because she hadn't even returned until the siege was already well underway.
Daenerys has spent six seasons preparing to invade Westeros, and by the time she arrives she'd have been able to just literally walk in with her dragons almost unopposed.
Even though that moment with Little Finger was amazing, I'm worried what this might mean for Jon and CO, that snake will fuck anyone over to get his. Then again, we might get to the point where there are no more forces for Little Finger to betray and fuck over, he won't be able to backstab The Night King.
Are people forgetting Jon's leadership in the battle at the wall vs the wildlings? He was really good then. This ep, like others have said, was to show Sansa has smartened up and knows what she's doing (or does she?) Jon is a better fighter than leader, but I think he will still develop more into that role.
Rickon running in a straight line across the battlefield is bothering much more than it should be.
EDIT;Yeah, there's a Westeros:War of the Five Kings mod for Medieval 2:Total War, it's looks interesting, I might download it and try it out later on.
I'm pretty sure there's already a mod for this in one of the Total War games, I think it's foe Medieval 2? I remember hearing some good things about it.
EDIT;Yeah, there's a Westeros:War of the Five Kings mod for Medieval 2:Total War, it's looks interesting, I might download it and try it out later on.
I thought Jon resurrection would had renewed her faith, but her wounds were deeper than that I suppose. She might not even believe she was the one that brought him back to the living.
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Elysium-777
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I feel like she's going to make things worse in regards to White Walkers. Assuming the Night King's powers work beyond the wall, he'll have thousands of Dothraki joining his army.
Edit: maybe he can raise dragons too, Ice Dragons?
Orochinagis
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Actually Ser Davos saved Jon life and the battle didnt ended into a colosal failure, dude wants to suicide right after Rickon's dead.
Sansa didn't want to have to ask for LF's help after he betrayed her. But she felt forced to do so when her and Jon could only cobble together an army half the size of the Bolton's.
And in the preview it seems like he's asking her to marry him.
I was pretty sure the Vale's knights would show up, but seeing Aidan Gillen's name in the opening credits confirmed it.
Ghostmaster
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They knew she was back the moment they received the negotiations offer, at that point you either retreat or come up with something to counter the dragons. You don't go to a negotiation and stand there flabbergasted that a woma who escaped riding a dragon still has that dragon under her command.
Ziltoidia 9
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I want a ship armada battle between Dany and Euron next year.
whitemex88
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Maybe the sounds and smells of Shireen burning alive are keeping her awake at night.
TheOctodad
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I wouldn't be surprised if she eventually tries to establish a republic of some sort.
Ghostmaster
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Pff not a true fanatic then, high sparrow for the next high priest of light, he could burn children all day and with a calm voice and smile
This shot man...the music, the tension. Holy shit.
This needs to be photoshopped with a baseball theme
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