Tommen ain't legitimizing the enemy. The Stark line died with Rickon, everything from here is a countdown towards their inevitable extinction as a house.
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And why wouldn't Tommen do that? He's drinking the Sparrow Kool-aid and I can't see any reason why the High Sparrow would oppose to Jon being legitimized with his view that women (AKA Sansa) shouldn't rule and have a "duty" to their husbands.
You make it sound like Bran hasn't been smashing Meera for the past 2 seasons. They both got pretty bored down there.
Cus it's believed that Sansa helped kill Joffrey and they just got done beating the Starks in a civil war. The Lannisters already "won" the civil war, doing this would only help them.
Nah, it's the father (or head of the family) than can legitimised a bastard son. As Mr Smooth Voice Bolton Snr did with crazy Ramsey.
The High Sparrow ain't a Lannister though, and we all know who's really running King's Landing. Tommen betrayed his mother by banning trial by combat, there's nothing suggesting he couldn't do the same to the rest of his family.
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Jon's kinda dim
But the Starks, if they were to gain power, would be completely opposed to Tommen and The High Sparrow by proxy, why would he give his enemy more power?
That's how you know he's the "hero"!
So is Daenerys. All of the intelligent people on this show either get killed or pushed to the sidelines.
How would Sansa know any of this, considering we're talking about her motivations.
The Starks don't care about King's Landing, they only wanted Winterfell back to fight off the WW
There's no reason for the Sparrow or Tommen to take any action at all. All legitimizing Jon does is unite one of their enemies under a common banner. There's no motive. Sparrow isn't just a religious fundie, he also knows how to play the game, and uniting a party that could be a serious threat to him makes no sense.
She doesn't. All she knows is that Jon is a threat to her, and Littlefinger knows it too.
The Starks didn't know shit about WW, they wanted it back to oppose the Lannisters that cut off their leader's head. They weren't fighting in the Riverlands for shits and giggles.
They don't know that, to them a Stark is their enemy and they'll do anything in their power to destroy them.
Nameless
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Sure, she can overestimate her own abilities while underestimating those around her out of sheer arrogance. That doesn't mean she has no abilities, is inept, or is incapable of playing the game at a high level. It simply means she's flawed, which I never said she wasn't.
Still waiting on someone to actually give me a history of outright blunders that illustrates shes poor at the game and not the Tywin quote everyone likes to regurgitate when this comes up.
Tommen or Kevan just sent Jaime and a huge Lannister army to take back Riverrun from the Tully's.
The Crown hasn't forgotten what the Starks did.
That's circular logic. She has no reason to think he'd be anything but an ally at a time when she desperately needs allies. She has no reason to ever suspect that the Lannisters would legitimize him and no way of knowing that the Sparrow is the one pulling Tommen's strings, and even if she did, there's no reason to believe he would want to legitimaize Jon either. He's absolutely not a threat, and there's no in universe explanation for why she would be so cold toward her own brother.
Just like with the Children, we don't know that he was the last giant.
When we do you just pretend it wasn't her fault, so why bother?
You should watch what Olenna said this season about her destroying two proud families by giving power to the Faith Militant if you're tired of hearing Tywin tell it like it is.
It didn't take Theon that long to get there, and Tyrion does mention that those ships (plus the masters') would be barely sufficient.
I say you've waited long enough, what's a little more? But i guess she's as fed up of Essos as the audience is.
I think her chemistry with Yara sealed the deal. Yara knew what buttons to push for sure.
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Littlefinger is a much bigger threat to her than Jon is.
There is a certain amount of disconnect between the various settings on the show. Sansa was found guilty in absence of killing Joffery and is public enemy no 2 after Tyrion, but the Boltons can marry her and parade her around to other Northern houses to cement their claim whilst Cersei and the crown don't seem to care.
Interesting, then why did she lie to him? Why did she wait for thousands of his men to die before bringing in the Vale?
I feel like once Varys left, the crown's access to information from around the seven kingdoms grinded to a halt. Remember that Cersei didn't even know Sansa was married to Ramsey until Littlefinger told her.
She doesn't know that.
After the taste of vengence in killing Ramsey, shes gonna want the lannisters next
This isn't entirely true, Roose absolutely addressed how he was betraying the Lannister's when Sansa returned to Winterfell. I think Cersei has her hands a bit full with issues closer to home at the moment. I don't blame you for reaching that conclusion though, the show has only lightly touched on this.
That's the big question. Hopefully the one that gets answered next episode. Personally I think Littlefinger got into her head a bit in that clandestine meeting. Or maybe she thought she was playing the game by having her own secrets. Or maybe she knew she couldn't rely on Littlefinger so she didn't want to tell Jon and be made a fool of.
And for all we know, the knights of the Vale just arrived in the middle of the battle. There's nothing to say whether she was holding them in reserve.
Nameless
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I admitted she fucked up with Sparrow. What else you got? Tywin called Tyrion a dumbass too, but people love Tyrion so they don't hang their hat on that slight.
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I think the simplest answer is the one she said last night. She knows Ramsey. Jon doesn't. By keeping those forces a secret, Ramsey's forces can be flanked and outmaneuvered, a variable he hadn't planned for.
Yes, hundreds, thousands, would die. Yes, perhaps Jon. But that was the only way to win. Tell Jon, and then he waits, adjusts his plans, in turn giving Ramsey time to prepare, change his battle plans, fortify Winterfell.
Don't tell Jon, have Ramsey confidently send all his army in against an outnumbered group he thinks is on the ropes, and you then have the advantage of ambushing your enemy with a secondary force they are completely unprepared for
Ramsey and Sansa might not be so different. They both sacrificed men for a strategic battlefield advantage
I was just thinking, remember how angry some people were that Sansa got raped because it didn't do anything for her character and D&D just ruined everything? This episode and that last scene would have not been as satisfying without first seeing what happened in season 5.
Lady Mormont is best Mormont, Jorah would be proud.
Lady Mormont is best Mormont, Jorah would be proud.
Freeza Under The Shower
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to quote myself, a dozen pages back:
Basically, Sansa didn't tell Jon so that he would play into Ramsay's hand and thereby even the odds. Sacrificial lamb strategy. Like they said, if Jon was Ramsay he would just hole up in Winterfell and ride out the winter, which would devastate anyone outside the gates. It wouldn't be much of a siege, more of a "wait until all the cunts outside are dead". They had to draw Ramsay out complete so he couldn't fall back to sitting out a siege when he lost (which was very unlikely, considering he had the numbers). Also people saying she doesn't care didn't notice the change of her face when she saw Jon and co charging for the gate solo. She showed that she learned how to play, and that 'lady' -or the lady she always thought she was to become - is complete dead.
I'm more interested in Davos's newfound demons of his own at this point though. What happens to Jon should he go after Melissandre for revenge?
Wow. Beat episode ever as far as I'm concerned. Incredible stuff.
Preview:
Preview:
Who is the guy walking away from the camera in the penultimate scene? Seems mysterious...
Agreed.
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water_wendi
Water is not wet!
Nikodemos
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Seriously. She's like "y'all bitches would start screaming the moment you see a spider".
Sending Jamie and Bronn to Dorne was a big mistake.
Cersei is good at playing the game against guys like her ex-husband and Ned Stark, but we're in the late innings and against these more skilled players she's being exposed.
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So, we all know that Drogon is massive now compared to his size in season 5 but it's cool to see just how much he has grown.
From reddit:
And they can get bigger.
That skull has massive teeth, almost like a sabertooth.
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