Game of Thrones *NO BOOK SPOILERS* |OT| Season 6 - Sundays on HBO [Read the OP]
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Psychoward
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Robert declared Joffrey heir based on the lie that Joffrey was his eldest son, which he didn't know, and again, even if he did know Stannis is still the rightful heir by order of succession. Stannis had no idea about Dany's plans for the throne, only that she's alive. She's on the opposite side of the world, it's easier to get the throne now and concede it to her than make the effort to track her down.
And the thing about Renly being king is they say he would be a great king in that people like him yeah, but when it comes to actual governing he'd be shit.
Do you really believe popular people make the best leaders?
How is any of that bullshit? Robert didn't "declare" Joffrey his rightful heir, he was just his "rightful heir" because he was his son. However, because he actually wasn't his son than the next person in line was Stannis. Ned understood this and so did countless people. Hell, even Rendly understood this but he didn't give a shit.
Why would Dany be next? The Targaryens no longer rule Westeros, their lineage has no bearing on who should be ruler.
Yeah, it's pretty clear Ned believed the throne should go to Stannis.
liliththepale
Banned
I think it takes all sorts of people to lead a country well and that the king is mostly a figurehead, and I believe Renly wasn't too stubborn to let other people help him lead well.
The point about Dany is more along the lines of Robert's rebellion should have never happened in the first place. Stannis should have remained true to the Targaryens throughout and done his best to stymie Robert and Eddard if he actually honestly believed in the worth of lineage. It makes him a hypocrite to defend his own lineage after not defending the previous king's.
It's also extremely absurd and naive to search for the "rightful" heir just because that's the letter of the law. It's just stirring up shit for no reason and ignoring the spirit of the law considering Joffrey was raised as a full son.
But he was never recognized by a royal decree, so he has no rights at all. He's just a bastard.
Renly (after Stannis) had a better claim than Gentry.
Robert let people rule in his stead, good people like Jon Arryn and Ned. And look what that got him. But still, fair enough. I won't say no more because I would be getting into book territory and that is not allowed here.
I will add though that as far as the TV show goes Renly never showed any attributes befitting a good, or even better a smart, competent king. He wasn't even capable of consuming his marriage and sealing the Tyrrel's support for his claim. He was just vain and lustful IMO.
liliththepale
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WesternHeretic
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No because we all know he's not.
AntiFacebook
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TBH there is a bigger chance of Stannis still being alive than Jon
Psychological Intellect
Banned
king bran is back!
Naughty_Doge
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Actually the throne belongs to Gendry and Stannis knew Gendry was Robert's son, but instead of fighting for him he agreed to sacrifice him so he could take the throne for himself.
AuthenticM
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Is he? We didn't see him getting killed. I still think
hope
Does anyone else think it's really, really, really lame to bring characters back from the dead in fiction? I always appreciated the feeling of finality when GoT offs someone, it always made some of the more surprising moments hit that much harder. Granted, none of us have even started this season yet but I just hope there's something more interesting going on with whatever resurrection takes place.
Also, Stannis is absolutely dead. If he isn't then they squandered a good ending point for his arc.
Also, Stannis is absolutely dead. If he isn't then they squandered a good ending point for his arc.
I agree but I think GoT is the big exception. If they bring Jon back it'll be because of the Red God's power and we know that he is able to do that from seeing it happen before. In a lot of fiction, they always give some bullshit excuse for why a character is being brought back to life but in GoT there's a great in universe explanation.
Also, I think it's also a bit different just because as viewers we're trained to expect beloved characters to get killed off and for us to never see any redemption from it. It'd be a nice twist on the formula to have a character finally prevail against GRRM.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
Can we talk openly about trailers ? Will spoilertag anyway.
Stannis is probably
in the trailer.
Stannis is probably
the burning body
Even if it's supported by the narrative, I still think it's a lame dramatic device. The dragonballs are an in-universe way of bringing Goku back from the dead but that doesn't stop it from sucking the tension out of every major death in that show. A bit of a stretched comparison but I think you get my point. Besides, I thought there was already going to be a seperate character who comes back from the dead and seeks revenge in GoT. Or maybe that got cut for the show?
half a moon
Banned
The dragonballs are OP. You can go to a different planet with instant transmission or a space ship, collect the baws scattered on the planet, and revive someone who was disintegrated.
In this universe there's like one or so people that need to be next to the warm corpse. You're not going to see the rest of Jon's family coming back.
I generally agree with you, with the exception of cases where the death actually meant something, for the character's development.
For example a character that was good, gets back to life and is now heartless and "evil", or a jolly comic relief is now in pain all the time, and utterly depressing to watch as a zombie.
Just a dumb example, but is to say that there are way to handle resurrection as something interesting other than "oh, the fans want that guy back!".
Steelyuhas
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New Episode Tonight: The Red Woman
Just because you decide a king burning everyone to death isn't the best leader doesn't mean you're suddenly going to ignore the legitimacy of claims to the throne. Especially when your claim is the strongest and everyone else is a pretender.
I'm not convinced Renly would have been a good king. He had to beat at a minimum two armies and it wasn't clear he could beat even one of them, and he likely would have struggled to produce heirs and not be seen as legitimate if rumors ever got out. And legitimacy issues when your claim is already weak isn't exactly great.
liliththepale
Banned
look I would totally be on Stannis' side if the Baratheons came from a long lineage of royalty. If Robert was like the third or fourth Baratheon on the throne then it would make sense to continue that family line as faithfully as possible. But Robert was the first Baratheon and he'd only had it for like fifteen years, which in the grand scheme of things is a tiny amount of time. Plus it was the Lannisters who ascended to the throne as much as the Baratheons.
I feel like if Joffrey wasn't such a bitch then people would be up in arms about the honorable Ned Stark trying to uproot him. The common people don't care who sits on the throne as long as they're treated well, which is why Renly and especially Margaery would have been a great leadership (still polling for her btw).
So Ned coming in and whining about things is just him stirring up shit. I can excuse him a little since really it's been Petyr tipped him off and pushed peoples' buttons, but still.
You know the scene I desperately want to see?
Littlefinger and Sansa getting really close and start to bang. At first she looks to be into it, and then he starts to really get into it then...
...knife between the ribs.
Like, I REALLY want want her to kill him in cold blood. It would be immensely satisfying and cathartic.
Littlefinger and Sansa getting really close and start to bang. At first she looks to be into it, and then he starts to really get into it then...
...knife between the ribs.
Like, I REALLY want want her to kill him in cold blood. It would be immensely satisfying and cathartic.
Agreed. Resurrections (and other OP magic) need to be limited. I'm fine with the show resurrecting Jon but I think that should be the only major character resurrection.
Captain Europe
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It was nowhere near as bad as people are making it out to be, people just love to overreact.
Summer Haze
Banned
Nah, even after subsequent viewings long after the initial reaction I still think it looks plain bad. The dragon itself looked amazing, but Dany riding on top as it took off looked goofy and fake as fuck. Inconsistencies such as her cape moving in the wind but her hair hardly moving didn't help either.
Little Old Man
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Yeah it was either massively overlooked, or the budget just ran short and the production crew just had to work with what was left!
The one that bugs me though is not having a fan blowing against Dany's hair.
--->riding dragon soaring into skies
--->Dany's hair flat and unmoving
If the budget ran out I guess we know which episode sucked up the budget!
philipnash19
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12 hours ladies and gents
When rewatching on BluRay it looked great imo, but I found it to be a bit disappointing during the broadcast last year. But maybe it's just the 720p to 1080p difference that made it look better but if I was going by my gut feeling I would say they polished it a bit for the BluRay release.
Kenzodielocke
Banned
I was re-watching Hardhome in the morning and decided to watch the rest of the two episodes left.
Immediately I started the episode 9 I regretted it. Horrible things happen in this episode. I don't know if I can rewatch this episode. I am at this scene:
RIP Shireen Baratheon, the girl with a heart of gold. You will not be forgotten.
Immediately I started the episode 9 I regretted it. Horrible things happen in this episode. I don't know if I can rewatch this episode. I am at this scene:
RIP Shireen Baratheon, the girl with a heart of gold. You will not be forgotten.
Jon is dead. Get over it
He can't get resurrected if he's alive
But his awesome swagger lives on...#Fewer
Dubbedinenglish
Banned
Swagger? He was Stannis Bore-atheon
Black Republican
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as a non book reader, is there a good detailed full story of the mad king era online or maybe an app?
Evolved1
make sure the pudding isn't too soggy but that just ruins everything
Maybe it's the ultimate red herring?
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