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Game of Thrones - Season 2 - George RR Martin's Song of Ice and Fire - Sundays on HBO
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PhoenixDark
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Rewatching the episode I'm reminded of the similarity between what Theon tells the crew member who challenges his authority, and what Robb told the Greatjon in S1. Both threats are worded almost exactly the same in fact. Of course, Robb had a direwolf to bite off the Greatjon's fingers to make his point clear, and endear the Greatjon to him. I thought it was a nice compare/contrast
And speaking of the Greatjon, is he not in this season?
And speaking of the Greatjon, is he not in this season?
CoK
It seems like they are skipping over Reek entirely thus far, disappointing since his deception is pretty memorable.
IAmtheFMan
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CoK
I don't think simplifying the Reek/Ramsay thing is necessarily a bad thing. This was pretty convoluted in CoK as it was.
Ramsay'll probably just be in Season 3.
Ramsay'll probably just be in Season 3.
Steelyuhas
Member
You mean the last scene of the season?
My guess ACOK/ASOS spoilers
The White Walkers attack on the Fist of the First Men.
Loved it. Season has been great all the way through so far. Really loved the Qarth stuff. People rag on Dany's stuff feeling unconnected to the main plot, which is true, but I really enjoy her naivety and trusting of anyone balanced out by Jorah's pragmatism. Liked the Arya stuf in this one, especially her scene with Tyrion and even moreso the scenes with Jaqen, a piece of casting I am absolutely loving. The stuff past the Wall is finally getting to a more exciting place and I was giggling with amusement again at Tyrion poking away at Lancel. I can't believe the season is already half over. It's flying right by. The leap from S1 to S2 has been astronomical. If the show keeps growing like this, it will really be something incredible by the time it ends.
CoK
That doesn't make much sense to me. He's the one that destroyed Winterfell. Who else could do it?
Honestly confused about one bit from last night's ep, with Xaro and Dany.
Where did Xaro obtain the key to the vault? And why does he need Dany?
My takeaway is that Xaro always had the key but hired thieves/locksmiths just to test the safety of the vault, and that all he wants from Dany is marriage for power, so that he can rule Westeros with her.
Where did Xaro obtain the key to the vault? And why does he need Dany?
My takeaway is that Xaro always had the key but hired thieves/locksmiths just to test the safety of the vault, and that all he wants from Dany is marriage for power, so that he can rule Westeros with her.
PhoenixDark
Banned
ACOK
Theon. I have a feeling he'll arrive to allegedly break the siege, and be the one who betrays Rodrick.
Emerson
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Yeah I understand your confusion. He doesn't actually need her to open the vault, though it seemed to be implied that way at first. He is just offering tons of money for her marriage.
(ACoK-ASoS Spoilers)
I Would imagine it would end after Theon kills the Miller's boys while Bran and company make their escape. And given Sam's line about three horns being for White Walkers in the most recent episode, I wouldn't be surprised if they included the prologue of ASoS as the closing scene. In my opinion, it's one of the better chapters in the series, and it would really provide a chilling end to the season.
On another note (ACoK-ASoS spoilers)
What's the deal with Beric and the Brotherhood in the show? It seems like they've been downplayed a lot on the show, as compared to the books, where they're mentioned over and over. I'm sure they'll play a big part next season, but it would probably be confusing to the average viewer if they were just thrown in there without much context, which could come across as very forced. I understand if they're trying to keep it mysterious for non-book readers, so they're occupied with guessing just who the "Brotherhood" is, which would be great if pulled off well, but I just hope they at least build them up somehow, since they're one of the more interesting factions at play.
Emerson
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How about we watch the show and find out!
SerArthurDayne
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Series
I guess they could cut out Reek, and just have Ramsay. But if they cut out Ramsay burning Winterfell that would totally ruin Theon's arc in Dance, aside from hurting it in Clash. It will hurt Ramsay as well, but evil is easier to establish with less screen time. See Joffrey.
Gotcha, yeah. The scene was definitely built to imply (at first) that the Vault was still a problem for Xaro, and Dany might have been the solution. I honestly thought he wanted her dragons to melt it down, or something. Can dragonfire melt Valyrian steel?
And yeah, of course, if I recontextualize the scene in my head, marrying a viable claimant to the throne who has dragons in her corner is something worth pursuing enough for the man. Thanks Solo.
So why did he even mention the whole bit about trying to find someone to help open the vault? Or maybe it was that process that yielded the key to him? What's in there, the riches of Qarth? Who did they belong to? Or were they always Xaro's, and he was testing their security?
I think I'm severely over-analyzing the scene, lol.
Emerson
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I think he was trying to drive home the point that there is no way to get in there without marrying him. It was kind of sloppily written all around though.
PhoenixDark
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Oh. OH. lol. Thanks dude, whole scene makes much more sense to me now.
SerArthurDayne
Member
Instead of marrying her he could just kill her and take the dragons. No claim on Westeros, sure, but Dragons could be useful in creating claims.
I have to assume they are just far too civilized in Qarth to sink to such dishonorable levels.
I have to assume they are just far too civilized in Qarth to sink to such dishonorable levels.
Did anyone else love Jorah's little speech to Dany?
Something along the lines of:
“Centuries come and go without someone like that coming into the world. There are times I look at you and still can’t believe that you’re real.”
I just thought that it was a perfect reminder that Dany is something special in the presence of other awful, terrible kings and contenders.
Man, 20 scenes or so in this ep. Is that a record for the show?
Something along the lines of:
“Centuries come and go without someone like that coming into the world. There are times I look at you and still can’t believe that you’re real.”
I just thought that it was a perfect reminder that Dany is something special in the presence of other awful, terrible kings and contenders.
Man, 20 scenes or so in this ep. Is that a record for the show?
I think you are wrong about your first guess. (series spoiler)
We know that this season Jaime will be escaping with Brienne after Catelyn frees him. So Catelyn will need to know about the "deaths" of Bran and Rickon by the end of episode 9 or opening of episode 10 at the latest.
Ghost_Protocol
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I was actually thinking, "We're nearing the end of episode and I haven't seen any nudity yet.....Is it going to happen n.....ohhhhh. damn......"
BlueScrote
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Yeah, It was convoluted in CoK.
I didn't really understand what was going on with respect to Reek/Ramsay until I finished the book and looked it up online. Maybe that says more about my reading comprehension though.
Harry Potter
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What was I supposed to see here?
IAmtheFMan
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ACOK/ASOS
Some of this is just wild speculation but I think in the last ep we'll see:
In no particular order:
- Arya's story remains pretty much the same as the end of ACOK; leaves Harrenhall with Gendry and Hot Pie
- Margaery makes an entrance to King's Landing at the end of S2 and Tyrion and Sansa will both find out that they're to be married to each other
- Jon kills Qhorin and heads to the wildling camp with Rattleshirt and Ygritte.
- Robb starts to deal with the fallout of him falling for and marrying Jeyne (Lannister, lol.) The Freys start to get upset, Catelyn frees Jaime.
- Not much with Davos. I can see them leaving him stranded on the island, or just fast forward it so that he's captured for plotting to kill Mel.
- I think Dany will begin to come into her own starting with some of the Qartheen, be it taking control of a small faction of an army or something, but I can't seem them NOT doing something for Dany before the ownage of ASOS. I hope that Selmy is in it earlier then the last ep too.
- In terms of the Theon thing... I think it'll go more like Theon loses control of the situation, especially after the confrontation with his men in the last ep. They'll be the ones to kill Rodrick and Luwin, and Theon will realize everything is messed up and they'll be the ones responsible for burning down Winterfell before the Northmen reclaim it. I actually think this'll probably happen in the 2nd to last episode.
- Penultimate shot: Bran, Rickon, Hodor and Osha emerging from the crypts. Check abandoned and burned Winterfell, then take off North.
- Last sequence: Night's Watch, Fist of the First Men. A few men from the Night's Watch are gettting disgruntled... they're planning on moving against Mormont. Then 1... 2... 3... blasts. Fade to black.
(I'm pretty sure they didn't have Sam explicitly spell it out last episode for nothing.
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- Arya's story remains pretty much the same as the end of ACOK; leaves Harrenhall with Gendry and Hot Pie
- Margaery makes an entrance to King's Landing at the end of S2 and Tyrion and Sansa will both find out that they're to be married to each other
- Jon kills Qhorin and heads to the wildling camp with Rattleshirt and Ygritte.
- Robb starts to deal with the fallout of him falling for and marrying Jeyne (Lannister, lol.) The Freys start to get upset, Catelyn frees Jaime.
- Not much with Davos. I can see them leaving him stranded on the island, or just fast forward it so that he's captured for plotting to kill Mel.
- I think Dany will begin to come into her own starting with some of the Qartheen, be it taking control of a small faction of an army or something, but I can't seem them NOT doing something for Dany before the ownage of ASOS. I hope that Selmy is in it earlier then the last ep too.
- In terms of the Theon thing... I think it'll go more like Theon loses control of the situation, especially after the confrontation with his men in the last ep. They'll be the ones to kill Rodrick and Luwin, and Theon will realize everything is messed up and they'll be the ones responsible for burning down Winterfell before the Northmen reclaim it. I actually think this'll probably happen in the 2nd to last episode.
- Penultimate shot: Bran, Rickon, Hodor and Osha emerging from the crypts. Check abandoned and burned Winterfell, then take off North.
- Last sequence: Night's Watch, Fist of the First Men. A few men from the Night's Watch are gettting disgruntled... they're planning on moving against Mormont. Then 1... 2... 3... blasts. Fade to black.
(I'm pretty sure they didn't have Sam explicitly spell it out last episode for nothing.
)
The Lamonster
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Nothing, unless you're a badass ranger like the Halfhand.What was I supposed to see here?
Chuck Norris
Banned
I don't see why
the battle won't be till next season. A few sweeping views of the whole wilding army, show a CGI mammoth or two and a giant amongst that, and you're set till next season
Trojita
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I'm assuming you mean Bran's attempted assassination?
well I mean BECAUSE of what would happen with it later, would they just cut losses now? ACoK/ASoS
They're afraid to show a few dragons often, a whole battle with endless fantasy creatures?
It was my main big fear when the series was getting made if they could accurately portray moments like this, because it's a tv show. Judging by how they save their budget, I'm still wondering if they can do it
SerArthurDayne
Member
You could safely assume that.
In the right hands it can be done without [series spoiler]
destroying the budget. Take out the battle with Sam at the fist of the first men, just show him running away. Show just one giant interacting with Jon in Season 3. Season 3 should be relatively simple budget wise, they will have a lot of money to do the "you know what" major scene. For season 4 they need to show the battle at the wall and that is when it gets tricky budget wise because you also have Bran at Queenscrown and finding that secret magical entrance to cross the wall.
Tempted to say they'll be cut but I can't see why they couldn't do it. It's not like the
dragons and wolves
blainethemono
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Seems like they save the budget for big scenes like that though, given how (ACOK)
they seem to have saved up to make the battle of the blackwater as big and crazy as possible
I guess the last few episodes of season 2 will be kind of an indication on whether they'll be able to pull off the stuff you're talking about later on
Lactose_Intolerant
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They should have more money to spend on book 3 since its split into 2 even if it is a larger story. I'll be conservative and say like 25% larger budget per page. Who knows what they are going to add from book 4.
They need to get some LotR battle technology though for the Wall battles.
FantasticMrFoxdie
Mumber
Damn that last episode was great.
Poor Renly never had a chance..
Poor Renly never had a chance..
About the timing for those events, (ACOK/ASOS spoilers)
I believe that in a few interviews Jaime's actor stated his favorite scene ever in GoT will be in episode 7; I would guess that, if not his escape, at least his first talk with Catelyn will be in that episode - Jaime shouldn't really have any other memorable scenes before that.
Also, if i remember correctly in the books there were a few chapters between Bran and Rickon's "deaths" and the reveal that they were alive? If they wanted to preserve a bit of the surprise effect, it would make sense if they "die" in episode 7/8 and then are shown to be alive in 9/10.
Also, if i remember correctly in the books there were a few chapters between Bran and Rickon's "deaths" and the reveal that they were alive? If they wanted to preserve a bit of the surprise effect, it would make sense if they "die" in episode 7/8 and then are shown to be alive in 9/10.
Lactose_Intolerant
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because it made no sense.
PhoenixDark
Banned
(ACOK/early ASOS):
Given the show's disregard for subtlety, I think they'll just move the ASOS prologue up to this season's finale. So you won't just get the three horn blasts, you'll get the beginning of the camp attack
Steelyuhas
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ACOK spoilers
Based on the episode synopses, it looks like they die in episode 8. Or I should correct that. It says that "Theon goes hunting" in episode 7, and it says "Robb is betrayed" in episode 8, so it might happen at the end of episode 7.
Yes, ACOK spoilers
I believe his reasoning was that he wanted Snow because it meant getting his direwolf to go with them. Despite the book nerd in me wanted Halfhand to say something about the direwolf, I think the scene worked better in the show.
I'm okay with that. I'd be okay with the same last scene in the book as well.
This episode made me realize how much I've forgotten. Which makes sense I guess since I haven't read the books in like five years (still waiting for ADWD MMP).
I feel like some of this stuff happened way later in the books?
Also, I thought they were going to do something more with Tyrion's reaction to Joffrey's torture. Apparently not. So yup... "character building" for those two women was useless and didn't lead to anything. Now I'm back to thinking all scenes involving them were sex for the sake of sex. I hope the lack of it in this episode and not continuing the story with those two women is a sign that they're going to stop doing it unless it's in the books/worthwhile.
Renly's scene was so underwhelming. That seems like an episode ending type scene. The pacing in this episode seemed off.
Also, Jon needs more screen time! I was always more interested in the north when I read the books. The stuff down south is full of intrigue and I enjoy it too, but what got me hooked at the very beginning was the prologue chapter or whatever. A part of me kept reading the series just for more of that. Jon has always been my favourite.
It's really been so long since I read the books, all I really remember are major events and they all kind of mesh together in terms of timelines. I should probably re-read since the ADWD MMP is supposed to come out this summer.
I feel like some of this stuff happened way later in the books?
Also, I thought they were going to do something more with Tyrion's reaction to Joffrey's torture. Apparently not. So yup... "character building" for those two women was useless and didn't lead to anything. Now I'm back to thinking all scenes involving them were sex for the sake of sex. I hope the lack of it in this episode and not continuing the story with those two women is a sign that they're going to stop doing it unless it's in the books/worthwhile.
Renly's scene was so underwhelming. That seems like an episode ending type scene. The pacing in this episode seemed off.
Also, Jon needs more screen time! I was always more interested in the north when I read the books. The stuff down south is full of intrigue and I enjoy it too, but what got me hooked at the very beginning was the prologue chapter or whatever. A part of me kept reading the series just for more of that. Jon has always been my favourite.
It's really been so long since I read the books, all I really remember are major events and they all kind of mesh together in terms of timelines. I should probably re-read since the ADWD MMP is supposed to come out this summer.
Lactose_Intolerant
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book 2
Wonder how they are going to do the obsidian daggers now. Going to guess Sam finds them. Needs more Ghost action
Really? That's it? Ok, then the change was fine. I thought his reasoning had more to it than that
IAmtheFMan
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ACOK/ASOS
Nah. Sam made a point of stating outright what it meant the last episode, and they lingered on it for a few beats. I think the 3 horn blasts will definitely be in, even if they have a shot of Sam saying "Walkers" under his breath immediately after or something.
And though it's probably more fan-service then any definitive proof, the first teaser for S2 ended with the 3 horn blasts anyways.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKsP4fi3jL0
And though it's probably more fan-service then any definitive proof, the first teaser for S2 ended with the 3 horn blasts anyways.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKsP4fi3jL0
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