The Lamonster
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Has Podrick Payne shown up in the show yet?
I can't remember if they've shown him...
I can't remember if they've shown him...
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Game of Thrones - Season 2 - George RR Martin's Song of Ice and Fire - Sundays on HBO
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I think he was briefly in the scene where Tyrion dismissed Janos Slynt. Couldn't even see his face though.
The Lamonster
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Ah yes, he pours their wine and spills it and they dismiss him.
I'm loving the season so far. I can't wait until school is over so I can start the second book. The weeks wait is just too long.
Oh, and speaking of school, one of my teachers spoiled a part of the book for me when she was talking to kids in the front row about it. I got so upset. I wanted to berate my teacher.
Oh, and speaking of school, one of my teachers spoiled a part of the book for me when she was talking to kids in the front row about it. I got so upset. I wanted to berate my teacher.
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Yeah, I liked the very selective POV characters selection in the first three books much more than the EVERYONE HAS A GOD DAMN PERSPECTIVE approach in AFFC and ADWD. Once a character becomes a POV character, it can often mean that all their cards will be placed on the table for the audience. I'm glad the Tyrells are still this weird pot of unspent energy waiting to be defined.
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if it's any consolation, the shadow-thing is by far the stupidest thing in the books
I would agree with this. [Series spoilers]
It gets pretty annoying hearing Cersei drone on about the fortune telling bitch. I get that its part of why shes so paranoid and insane, but come on.
Also Melisandre's shadows cannot pass into magically protected areas, and also take a shit load of energy (and Stannis semen.) She can't just conjure them at will, and they're not boundless like real shadows.
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- WiC.net: Interview Round-up
Most of these have been posted in the thread already, but take a quick look if you're interested as you might have missed one or two of them.
Most of these have been posted in the thread already, but take a quick look if you're interested as you might have missed one or two of them.
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I meant more in terms of
"oh, so here's some convenient magic to tie up a plot thread."
Granted, in the book it's much less of an anti-climax, because Renly and Margery are never given a perspective. The abrupt end to Renly's story doesn't feel quite as cheap.
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The problem with magic on this show/book is that since its explained early on that magic hasn't existed for years, we as the viewers don't quite understand in what ways it physically worked. For instance, how much does a vaginal assassin drain the one that summons it? How is it conceived in the first place?
Id assume sleeping with Stannis helps 
I have heard that magic is tied to the return of the dragons
As it stands, the wargs, red priestess, and (acok)
The visions in the House of the Undying
We just don't know much about it to really question its plausibility in the story.
Birthing a shadow is anything but convenient sir.
No it isn't. Not even a little.
Stannis would never take the throne with anything but force of arms. That's why he's leaving Melisandre behind. If she won the crown for him, he would doubted as king by all. Davos laid that out clearly last episode.
If he kills Joffrey, Tommen would become King. Lannisters would still hold King's Landing. Renly would still have his army.
AFFC
You mean zombie Cat? She isn't really a zombie persay...just mutilated from the red wedding and resurrected by Dondarrion. She's alive, not a walker.
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The stupidest thing in the story is AFFC
Darkstar. Thankfully he's gone as almost as soon as he arrives.
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I actually like the Beric story and everything surrounding it.
Which makes me a giant hypocrite, I guess.
Which makes me a giant hypocrite, I guess.
This I can get behind.
AFFC
But not "zombie" Cat. She's not undead, just mutilated and barely healed. I think people dislike her coming back from the dead because they didn't like her character. I didn't mind her though.
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It was a toss up for me. He's a very close second.
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I like(d) this. It has a fantastic pay-off and it really gave Tyrion that pathetic, human-side that he needed to keep him from becoming the infallible witty-mcwitty of the series.
I like(d) this. It has a fantastic pay-off and it really gave Tyrion that pathetic, human-side that he needed to keep him from becoming the infallible witty-mcwitty of the series.
yeah i meant Cat. For some reason I always do that, switching Cersei's name and Cat's.
I haaaated that so much, because the series <aSoS+>
makes things feel final, and then here is Catelyn with a fucking huge ass gash in her throat walking about like a psycho
I didn't have a problem with <aSoS+>
shadow creature because it is our first real out-and-out taste of what Melisandre's magic can do, and what the magic of the dragons is finally bringing back to the world. It is establishing the darkness of the Red God and its reach. Before magic and its power had disappeared, now it's back. With Zombie Cat I felt like we had been past established that, and Cat was so fucking dead that it would have been retarded to even try to bring her back anyway. It just seemed like a stretch, and a cop out of having that complete finality of the red wedding.
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Rez, Second, etc... Please add some spoiler tags and labels to that discussion. Thanks.
The A Song of Ice and Fire -- **Unmarked Spoilers For All Books including ADWD** thread is always available if you want to discuss the entire series without tags.
The A Song of Ice and Fire -- **Unmarked Spoilers For All Books including ADWD** thread is always available if you want to discuss the entire series without tags.
I liked it because AFFC
it really called back to when Dondarrion was sent by Ned to go meet The Mountain. After all that time he still had great loyalty for Ned. Enough to sacrifice himself to bring his wife back from the dead. It pissed me off a bit because I wanted to see Beric continue on being awesome, but we all know he wasn't the true Azor Ahai now anyways.
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Definitely doesn't make things up as he goes along.
With Melisandre - and this isn't a spoiler, it's pure speculation, since they never talk about her history - but I've always felt her 'big secret' is that... she doesn't have a secret.
Thoros of Myr isn't even in the show, is he? I feel like he was mentioned once in S1 or something.
She seems so different than the other Red Priest's we've met that I always got the impression she's actually some outcast. Like some heretic or some zealot who was fled Essos and ended up on Dragonstone. Incidently, after the dragons were born and magic was brought back to this world, she started playing up this Red Priest angle to manipulate Stannis, perhaps to go back home with an army of her own or something.
If she's a 'true priest' or anything, you figure'd we'd have heard of her or the other red priests we've met would have been equally as powerful. She'd just be some kind of walking cliche anyway.
If she's a 'true priest' or anything, you figure'd we'd have heard of her or the other red priests we've met would have been equally as powerful. She'd just be some kind of walking cliche anyway.
Thoros of Myr isn't even in the show, is he? I feel like he was mentioned once in S1 or something.
Not sure how much of the books you've read but read on if you have finished A Dance with Dragons
ADWD
Thoros raises Beric from the dead several times and also performs a ritual to trade Beric's life for Catelyn's (which is why she isn't a zombie imo). Victarion is given a super strength lava hand by another red priest named Moqorro (who also sees the future in the flames, like Melisandre does). Melisandre is most likely going to do something with Jon here in the future. Melisandre is definitely legit.
About Thoros ASoS/ACoK
I think Thoros will be in the scenes when Beric is reintroduced. At this point in the books, all we've heard about is Thoros and his flaming sword from Robert, I think.
I don't know if this is glossed over in AFFC or ADWD but the way I understand it the shadow thing has range limitations. I always assumed this was the reason why Davos had to take Mel to that cave so she could get down to business. In the book, that part is specifically (ACOK)
. They probably can't get close enough for it to work on Joffrey. And yeah, killing Joffrey that way wouldn't amount to much, at least for Stannis. He would still be nowhere near becoming king.
One thing it looks like they won't use in the show is the fact that Stannis (very light ACOK)
That huge shadow Renly was projecting in the scene got me so hyped for nothing, lol. I was all "oh fuck this is going to be so cool and exactly how I imagined it and oh". Bit of a shame but still cool I guess.
so they can kill Cortnay Penrose, who is in the Storm's End building right above that entrance
One thing it looks like they won't use in the show is the fact that Stannis (very light ACOK)
gets a bit fucked after she uses that thing, Davos mentions he looked sickly after the deal. Not a huge loss of detail but it helps in keeping it all a bit more grounded (lol) since although it's a very convenient magic it takes its toll on him.
That huge shadow Renly was projecting in the scene got me so hyped for nothing, lol. I was all "oh fuck this is going to be so cool and exactly how I imagined it and oh". Bit of a shame but still cool I guess.
Then again she did put an end to "well maybe Sansa is over HERE!" so that's pretty cool.
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[ASOS/AFFC/ADWD]
Zombie Catelyn is a pretty strange decision taken by GRRM. But her persona has become pretty important. Especially considering Brienne and Jaime. But I still think it's a cheap trick. I hate it when characters die and ressurrect again. Cheap shocks. The same will probably happen to Jon now...
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We don't know that yet do we? A single word was muttered! (if something comes up in DwD than don't even bother replying
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The League of Red Priests!
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Might want to tag your spoilers...
I can't understand how people hate (ASOS)
UnCat. I thought her reveal in the epilogue was one of the best moments in the series. Top 5, easily. I think it's just the same people who hated Cat before hate her now. I always liked her for the most part, so I loved that development.
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yeah, the reveal was god damn incredible.
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We don't know that yet do we? A single word was muttered! (if something comes up in DwD than don't even bother replying
[ASOS/AFFC]
Maybe Thoros saw it in his flames and desribed it to Catelyn. She would recognize The Eyrie immediately. Just speculation, of course...
Hmm.
I never hated Cat. I just don't know where the fuck Martin is going with this. I should tell you that I haven't read ADWD yet, I'm at AFFC. But still, this is something that really confuses me. So far, "magic" and stuff was introduced very naturally. I never bothered. The shadow assassin of Stannis being an exception, but I dealt with that. The whole undead thing during the brotherhood-storyline and than at the end with Cat on the other hand... I just can see how it will fit into the storyline. She's a damn zombie, wtf.
I love ASOS and I even kind of like that character. I just don't feel right with that... condition.
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Well, 'zombies' have been in the series from the first chapter of book one. If Beric/Cat has a connection to the wights, I could buy it
Yeah, I agree. In the same place where you are in the books but yep.
I'm still reading AFFC so I'm only speaking from (huge ASOS spoiler)
what I read in the epilogue, but UnCat wasn't even out of the realm of possibilities and, although it comes as a shocking reveal, the book establishes more than once that zombie shit is happening all the time with Beric. He dies and is brought back to life several times. Cat only looks like a zombie because they screwed with her so much in the Red Wedding. It's not out of nowhere and in the overall scheme of things it's definitely less "dumb" than the shadow assassin, because from the very first chapter the series tells you there's undead shenanigans at play in this world.
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