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Game of Thrones - Season 2 - George RR Martin's Song of Ice and Fire - Sundays on HBO
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bengraven
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well, I was starting to think
it was Xaro, but now I'm thinking... Xaro?
Fun Fact: He used to have nothing, now he has everything.
Emerson
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jesus fucking christ mark those spoilers dude
Ducksauce, but now he's not only the richest, wealthiest man in Qarth - he is also the KING, which is a bit more important than being the richest man in Qarth. He started with nothing but now he's got everything, and he's the King and the richest man in Qarth.
Also, FUCK that Dagmer/Luwin gif... my eeeeeeyes, ahhh my eeeeeeeeyeeeees...
EDIT: O SNAP, i forgot to tag spoilerzzzz
THE-Pink-Dagger
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Fascinating to see how apparently fans of the books seem to be hatin on the series here. This is one of those situations where I'm glad I didn't read those and can just enjoy it without complaining because this or that is different.
It's an adaptation, hard to understand for some apparently. This series is incredible and that last episode was again incredible. Fantastic direction, gorgeous cinematography, performances are outstanding as always (Jaime, Theon, Tyrion, etc). However, there is one storyline that I don't give a shit about from the very beginning: Daenery's, I don't like the character, I don't like that it feels totally separate from the rest of it (on purpose but still). It's for me the only thing that drags the episodes down.
It's an adaptation, hard to understand for some apparently. This series is incredible and that last episode was again incredible. Fantastic direction, gorgeous cinematography, performances are outstanding as always (Jaime, Theon, Tyrion, etc). However, there is one storyline that I don't give a shit about from the very beginning: Daenery's, I don't like the character, I don't like that it feels totally separate from the rest of it (on purpose but still). It's for me the only thing that drags the episodes down.
when you know something is done better elsewhere, you're going to complain about the differences. Only natural. Trying to say you're glad you're ignorant because there's a better product that might ruin your image of the inferior product is not really a severe criticism of the people leveling complaints toward the series.
And in any event, you think the direction is "fantastic", which it clearly is not by any standard (and this has nothing to do with reading the books), so I'm not even sure you're a good judge of film/tv in general.
It's a good show, don't get me wrong, but it has significant problems.
And in any event, you think the direction is "fantastic", which it clearly is not by any standard (and this has nothing to do with reading the books), so I'm not even sure you're a good judge of film/tv in general.
It's a good show, don't get me wrong, but it has significant problems.
It was kind of funny.
Last week, when Dany discovered her people were dead and the dragons missing.
"Xaro did it."
She angrily demands that Jorah find out who took her dragons.
"Xaro did it."
Xaro's puffed up speech about her being under his protection and that he would never permit such a thing to happen.
"Xaro did it."
The confrontation and "reveal" that Xaro did it.
*facepalm*
Last week, when Dany discovered her people were dead and the dragons missing.
"Xaro did it."
She angrily demands that Jorah find out who took her dragons.
"Xaro did it."
Xaro's puffed up speech about her being under his protection and that he would never permit such a thing to happen.
"Xaro did it."
The confrontation and "reveal" that Xaro did it.
*facepalm*
TheContact
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Seriously. It was so painfully obvious that Xaro did it that I didn't think it could be that obvious.
RamzaIsCool
The Amiga Brotherhood
Haven't read the books in a long time, so couldn't remember if some scenes were also in the books.
Like did Jaimi kill his nephew in the book? It kinda seemed out of character and really pointless.
The same with Xaro and Blue lip dude going all "Godfather 3 helicopter scene" on the council. Couldn't remember if that happened in the books.
Like did Jaimi kill his nephew in the book? It kinda seemed out of character and really pointless.
The same with Xaro and Blue lip dude going all "Godfather 3 helicopter scene" on the council. Couldn't remember if that happened in the books.
no to both
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
un33dab@dpu$$y
His cousin. Jaime killed his cousin. The only nephews he has are his sons.
PhoenixDark
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Favorite Dany moment of the entire season happened in that last ep: her telling Xaro to stfu before he could finish telling her his backstory for the billionth time.
Joffrey and Tommen are his "nephews."
If you know what I mean.
Wink wink.
wink
RamzaIsCool
The Amiga Brotherhood
Thought so. Don't know what the writers were trying to do, but I don't see the logic behind it. Jaimi simply wouldn't kill his cousin (lol) for some foolish escape plan. He could be ruthless, but he was never cruel. And this whole selfish and dishonerable act goes against everything he did
and will do
edit: and yes I am aware he tossed a 7 year old out of a window. But even there it was to protect.
I like that we got more Jon this episode.
I don't think I like what they're doing with his story though...
Dany stuff continues to suck. But I'm biased against her from the books so maybe it's just me.
I don't mind changes from the books for the most part. A lot of it is still enjoyable. I'm just a little more bothered about Jon because I always really liked him. The show version of Jon just seems really... dumb.
He also needs way more screen time. Cut that stupid Dany stuff for more Jon! And the Arya/Tywin stuff has overstayed it's welcome. It's not really entertaining anymore and it's not going anywhere. Cut some of that for more Jon time too!
I don't think I like what they're doing with his story though...
Dany stuff continues to suck. But I'm biased against her from the books so maybe it's just me.
I don't mind changes from the books for the most part. A lot of it is still enjoyable. I'm just a little more bothered about Jon because I always really liked him. The show version of Jon just seems really... dumb.
He also needs way more screen time. Cut that stupid Dany stuff for more Jon! And the Arya/Tywin stuff has overstayed it's welcome. It's not really entertaining anymore and it's not going anywhere. Cut some of that for more Jon time too!
Agreed. The only reason why I'm interested in that part of the story at all are the dragons and what they set up for the coming seasons. I'm about to start reading book 2 and I hope Daenerys doesn't come off as as much of a petulant shit as she is in the show.
Also, that reminds me, Varys has been almost completely absent these past few episodes. Not a complaint (although Varys is a great character), just an observation.
Regarding Jaime, reading the novels, it's clear he would have no problem killing a relative. It's just now they put that cold calculating aspect of his character front and center.
I just didn't really appreciate that we had to sit through a long conversation from a boy who viewed Jaime as an idol, which went on a little too long as it was, only for THAT to be the end
Yeah, I'm usually VERY good at separating the novels from the show and just enjoying the show for what it is, but that scene isn't sitting well with me. I still think it was a fantastic scene, but just didn't think it was something Jaime would have done.
Of course, my opinion on this has moved back and forth a lot today, so I may feel differently an hour from now.
Net_Wrecker
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DAT SCORE in the final scene. So good.
And I've given up comparing the show to the books since I saw what happened with Arya's story. Errbody just try to enjoy the show on its own.
And I've given up comparing the show to the books since I saw what happened with Arya's story. Errbody just try to enjoy the show on its own.
Favorite Dany moment? What a contradictory statement. Dany's storyline has moved at a snail's pace. There are three episodes left. I wonder if she'll even get her dragons back by the end of the season.
I think that (ADWD)
they're going for this thing to make Xaro really dangerous and someone to fear. If you think about it from a TV writing point of view, when in book 6 Dany goes to war with Qarth it'd be really difficult to keep track of 13 villains. You could do it but at the cost of diluting the characters to the audience to the point non-relevance. I think it's a brilliant move. Make Xaro a strong shadow over the whole thing and then when he threatens Dany in book 5 it will mean something and make it easier when you have to do season 6. Further it makes Dany HAVE to go to house of the undying, instead of CHOOSING to go. I think that's important, even in the book her motivations seemed unclear/unrelateable and it gives her the motivation for burning the whole place down without making her seem like a scared petulant kid.
RamzaIsCool
The Amiga Brotherhood
I never really got that impression. I always thought he was obsessed with acting honorably after the Kingslaying thing. He spared Ned in that dual after foulplay. But then again it has been like 5 years since I read the books, so I could be remembering it diffrently.
BertramCooper
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Oh Finchy, you dirty bastard.
~Devil Trigger~
In favor of setting Muslim women on fire
his face's facial expression stayed the same the entire episode
Count of Monte Sawed-Off
un33dab@dpu$$y
Yes.
Some dude with a bubble butt is getting body painted, it's like Qarth Mardi Gras.
I haven't even seen the ep, but just hearing about the Jaime scene makes me mad.
It's one thing to complain when the adaptation is not as good and doesn't have the depth/cast/story that the books have. That's expected in adaptations and not too surprising.
But when they literally go against everything a character is...that basically gives the finger to the original source material.
ASOS:
It's one thing to complain when the adaptation is not as good and doesn't have the depth/cast/story that the books have. That's expected in adaptations and not too surprising.
But when they literally go against everything a character is...that basically gives the finger to the original source material.
ASOS:
I've only read through ASOS (just finished it last night), but Jaime is basically the most honorable morally good character in the series by the end of that book. It's going to be hard for people to like him and feel like he's a "good" person and one of the closest to a "hero" in S4 after what he apparently does in this ep.
They didn't fight in the books. Jaime had his men kill Ned's guys as a punishment and let him live.
After he tried to kill the guy's kid. Cuz he's honorable.
Poster scosher made a really illuminating post on the subject, showing pretty clearly Jaime has virtually no feelings for anyone in his family that is not Tyrion, Cersei and Tywin (and probably his kids, not sure there).
scosher said:
After these, it's pretty clear they're just putting Jaime's described coldness in plain view for the tv audience, since it'd be a waste of time to try to hear someone tell of it with how little time we spend with Jaime so far.
Anton Sugar
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I'm halfway through CoK but I haven't seen anything to indicate that Jaime cares at all about honor or family. There are specific mentions about Jaime having a soft spot in his heart for Tyrion, but why is everyone insinuating that he would NEVER do something like that? Was his cousin even a "true" Lannister (signature gold locks are missing)?
So far, Jaime has:
-Murdered a king he was sworn to protect
-Attempted to murder a small boy after Jaime was caught banging his twin sister
-Murdered Ned's personal guard/men
What are his "values", with all of this in mind? Tyrion hints in the show that Jaime will be FURIOUS with Lancel if he finds out he was banging Cersei, and in the book (CoK),
I think some of you build this characters up in your heads without a whole lotta correlation to the text. I agree with the scene being way too long (and a little pointless...why not fake his death), but from what we've seen with Jaime, it's not far from his actions. He's in the heart of the enemy, humiliated, and literally stewing in his own shit and piss. He was an asshole BEFORE any of that--he's probably 10x worse/desperate now.
EDIT: Totally beaten by scosher/Amirox
So far, Jaime has:
-Murdered a king he was sworn to protect
-Attempted to murder a small boy after Jaime was caught banging his twin sister
-Murdered Ned's personal guard/men
What are his "values", with all of this in mind? Tyrion hints in the show that Jaime will be FURIOUS with Lancel if he finds out he was banging Cersei, and in the book (CoK),
Tyrion basically says that Cersei trying to "replace" Jaime with Lancel was a death sentence for the boy, because either Cersei OR Jaime will kill him if Cersei and Jaime are ever reunited.
I think some of you build this characters up in your heads without a whole lotta correlation to the text. I agree with the scene being way too long (and a little pointless...why not fake his death), but from what we've seen with Jaime, it's not far from his actions. He's in the heart of the enemy, humiliated, and literally stewing in his own shit and piss. He was an asshole BEFORE any of that--he's probably 10x worse/desperate now.
EDIT: Totally beaten by scosher/Amirox
Jaime is a fucking monster. An occasionally hilarious one with great comedic timing, but right now, a monster. He may show signs of humanity every now and then, but the end of that scene reminded us who he is, a selfish, ruthless fuck who'll do almost anything it takes to get what he wants and needs.
Nothing he did was out of character this episode, as far as I'm concerned.
Nothing he did was out of character this episode, as far as I'm concerned.
ASOS:
Explained and was a "good" thing.
He loves Cersei, was caught in the moment, made a dumb decision. For Cersei he's willing to do anything.
Ned's wife took his brother and was likely going to kill him. He cares about Tyrion quite a bit and raged. People make bad decisions in this series when they are upset.
Anton Sugar
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I make that point as a direct counter to "Jaime has values, he would never do such a thing!"
What about Tyrion thinking (CoK)
Jaime will kill Lancel if he ever found out about him and Cersei?
He's not the incredible Hulk when he gets enraged--he can make stupid, self-serving decisions. He may not have WANTED to toss Bran out the window, but did once he was convinced that it would be better for him/them. He wasn't exactly "caught in the moment"--they talk!
umberhulk2
Banned
I don't have a problem with the scene. And I didn't think it was too long at all; all of the seeming comradery made it more fucked up. It was awesome.
But Anton, just keep reading.
(Also, the mad king was fucked up. The show will probably elaborate more on that later)
But Anton, just keep reading.
(Also, the mad king was fucked up. The show will probably elaborate more on that later)
lastplayed
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This sucks, the episodes in NZ are exactly a week behind the US, so by the time I've seen it the conversation's moved on.
I'm halfway through CoK but I haven't seen anything to indicate that Jaime cares at all about honor or family. There are specific mentions about Jaime having a soft spot in his heart for Tyrion, but why is everyone insinuating that he would NEVER do something like that? Was his cousin even a "true" Lannister (signature gold locks are missing)?
So far, Jaime has:
-Murdered a king he was sworn to protect
-Attempted to murder a small boy after Jaime was caught banging his twin sister
-Murdered Ned's personal guard/men
What are his "values", with all of this in mind? Tyrion hints in the show that Jaime will be FURIOUS with Lancel if he finds out he was banging Cersei, and in the book (CoK),Tyrion basically says that Cersei trying to "replace" Jaime with Lancel was a death sentence for the boy, because either Cersei OR Jaime will kill him if Cersei and Jaime are ever reunited.
I think some of you build this characters up in your heads without a whole lotta correlation to the text. I agree with the scene being way too long (and a little pointless...why not fake his death), but from what we've seen with Jaime, it's not far from his actions. He's in the heart of the enemy, humiliated, and literally stewing in his own shit and piss. He was an asshole BEFORE any of that--he's probably 10x worse/desperate now.
EDIT: Totally beaten by scosher/Amirox
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