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Game of Thrones Season 8 |OT| A Song of Icy and Fiery Fandom
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D&D wanted to have their fucking cake and eat it too.
I can just imagine in their thick fucking skulls "DUUUURRR GOT is HARDCUR LULZ let's show how utterly massacared the living are getting and MAIN CHARS getting stamPEEEDED LUL" but by the end of the episode, they're all alive. Forget adapting the majestic scale of the books, just give us it all scaled down and nerfed if you can't translate it into the real world. There is a lot you they could have done to make this all more consistent and realistic, but they wanted those good cheap short lived shock factors.
You wanted to Arya to be the one to kill the Night King because GOT is now WOKE AF #badassbitch and UNPREDICTABLE but there was literally no forshadowing. You literally retconned what the Red Woman actually said to fit your plot.
Fucking assholes, I hope Geroge grows a backbone and shits on them good once the show is finished.
I can just imagine in their thick fucking skulls "DUUUURRR GOT is HARDCUR LULZ let's show how utterly massacared the living are getting and MAIN CHARS getting stamPEEEDED LUL" but by the end of the episode, they're all alive. Forget adapting the majestic scale of the books, just give us it all scaled down and nerfed if you can't translate it into the real world. There is a lot you they could have done to make this all more consistent and realistic, but they wanted those good cheap short lived shock factors.
You wanted to Arya to be the one to kill the Night King because GOT is now WOKE AF #badassbitch and UNPREDICTABLE but there was literally no forshadowing. You literally retconned what the Red Woman actually said to fit your plot.
Fucking assholes, I hope Geroge grows a backbone and shits on them good once the show is finished.
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Jon Neu
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I'm still waiting to that dude that said that everything is explained in the lore videos to explain the NK and the WW.
Dude, you literally have throw a tantrum 30 seconds ago about getting outta here
Jon Neu
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And it's bloody entertaining, I would never threat to leave the thread because I'm enjoying every second of it!
Kadayi
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But it is completely an assumption. There's no indication as to how long they are there. I remember at the time people jumping to conclusions about it being overnight and running with it as fact and laughing at the time about it, and here again more of the same.
I'm not a particular fan of that episode (it would have made more sense if Dany was closer) but at the same time. There is nothing to support the assertion that it all occurs with in one night.
They're simply grieving over their fanfic not coming to fruition is all.
Book Reader here. The only one I'm seething at is GRRM: Because since the show launched: -
And what's even more tragic is the sheer number of beta cucks giving him a pass.
Has the quality of the show dipped somewhat past the books? Yeah, I don't disagree with that, but when the writers are having to work solely off the outline versus the rich meat of the written books themselves it's of kind of an inevitability. When they went into this project I doubt they expected that GRRM was going to leave them high and dry like did.
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ZehDon
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An honest question: what’s there left to discuss after that episode? The premise of the show is done.
You’re down to one plot thread: who sits on the Throne when the credits role. And the show runners explained they are now making decisions based purely on subverting expectations, so no one can use the information and writing in the show, such as character personalities, character motivations, foreshadowing, or character arcs, to theorise it’s end in an intelligent way.
The “seething rage” you’re laughing at is the fans who understand that the show ended three episodes before it finished.
So, you’re down to a death pool and a random dice roll to see who’s on the Throne before the credits. What else is there to discuss?
Jon Neu
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But it is completely an assumption. There's no indication as to how long they are there. I remember at the time people jumping to conclusions about it being overnight and running with it as fact and laughing at the time about it, and here again more of the same.
Yeah, technically everything is literally an assumption. Maybe Jaime is a girl with a vagina, we haven't seen his penis, so everybody who says that he is a male is just making assumptions. Amirite?
Yeah, it's not like we haven't seen them spend the night there and wake up the next morning with the "surprise" of Thoros death. Maybe they slept for months. We will never know, don't make assumptions.
I mean, it's not like the director of the episode admitted to have happened in a night and that the timeline was a mess, but who cares we want some fun shit.
But yeah, let's pull all the dubious and dumber arguments we can to try to defend the universe mechanics of a show that is evident that doesn't care about timelines and coherence since they catched the books and had to start writing by themselves.
RedVIper
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People are discussing the show, people just don't like it. If people complaining about poor writing is a problem you're welcome to leave.
Kadayi
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Learn to take a beating with some good grace Jon, your shitty attitude to anyone who disagrees with you is starting to wear a little thin and drag the thread down. We are not the enemy, your disappointment is. Feel free to continue to act out though. I'm sure that will go well for you in terms of further participation in the discussion.
You mean this: -
‘Game of Thrones’ Director Alan Taylor Breaks Down Timeline in ‘Beyond the Wall’
"Game of Thrones" director Alan Taylor addressed concerns about gaps in the timeline in the episode "Beyond the Wall"
variety.com
He's not saying it all happens in a single day there, but more that it's in a short period of time. In that regard I can give it some allowance, though I would hope that if events follow a similar trajectory in the books GRRM gives a bit more consideration to things. I think if Dany was at Winterfell, no one would bat an eye for instance.
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Jon Neu
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Learn to take a beating with some good grace Jon! Otherwise me and my deluded friends are we going to hate ya!
I don't know who lacks more selfawareness, you or the show, lol.
Don't worry, I still love you.
Kadayi
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Jon Neu
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Keep digging, maybe you'll find gold.
Look man, there's no need to make it personal. If you don't even want to make arguments about the show, there's no need for you to post about me.
I'm sorry if I ruffled your feathers or your friends feathers, but you just have to deal with it and talk about the show, not about me. I mean, I don't care at all about personal attacks and people being obsessed with me, but it deviates from the real fun.
I still love you. XOXO
manfestival
Member
The new episode hasn't even aired. chill out brah
aren't you quite the troll
JareBear: Remastered
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That's one thing I have noticed is that GoT is one of those things where some people really have a hard time accepting differing opinions. Some entertainment properties are worse with this than others.
Secret_Lover
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I´ve only read the first couple books and I thought the episode was a disaster. Let´s not pretend like the only people displeased with this episode are those with a longstanding attachment to the source material. You only need the context of the show to hate it.
ruvikx
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It's not conspiracy talk. It's common freaking sense. HBO are a business & the books themselves have also enjoyed a serious boost in sales as a result of the TV series. It went from niche medieval fantasy reading material to a worldwide phenomenon because of HBO. Martin & the showrunners have intertwined fates.
Jon Neu
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I didn't saw the edit till now.
It was obvious from years ago that the fat man wasn't going to bring another book soon, much less two.
D&D as the people in charge could have made the smart thing to do, which is go and hire some good writers and tell them to create the scripts for the next seasons instead of taking themselves the task and improvise some shit every season without any coherent plotline and with a total detachment from the core and themes that defined the series uniqueness. I mean, there's literally hundreds of theories and youtube videos with better plotlines and better attention to detail than the ones we finally had in the show. It's not that difficult if you simply care about the material and you are not a total hack.
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Kadayi
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Dude, you said this: -
Which makes you sound like this: -
HBO are not his publisher, Bantam Books are. He sold HBO the rights to make a TV series adaption based on his ASOIAF series, for which he got paid a decent sum of money, a producer credit (which translates to profit share) with some obligation to assist the showrunners with the series, which translated in the early seasons to him doing a bit of writing on the show but in the latter has come down to him outlining how the series will conclude. As is, the series itself has already deviated in several ways from the books (Sansa never ends up married to Ramsey for instance). No one honestly expects it to accord to the series beat for beat.
Better writers hey? Is this where you link to your slashfic blog? Because that would be adorable.
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Dacon
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Dude, you said this: -
Which makes you sound like this: -
HBO are not his publisher, Bantam Books are. He sold HBO the rights to make a TV series adaption based on his ASOIAF series, for which he got paid a decent sum of money, a producer credit (which translates to profit share) with some obligation to assist the showrunners with the series, which translated in the early seasons to him doing a bit of writing on the show but in the latter has come down to him outlining how the series will conclude. As is, the series itself has already deviated in several ways from the books (Sansa never ends up married to Ramsey for instance). No one honestly expects it to accord to the series beat for beat.
Better writers hey? Is this where you link to your slashfic blog? Because that would be adorable.
Conjecture is not conspiracy. Is this a troll?
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Kadayi
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The man actively thinks HBO is somehow compelling GRRM to write the remaining books to align with how the show ends. That's the definition of a conspiracy.
Like it or not both the Showrunners and GRRM have talked at length about how they spent several days together and he gave them a detailed outline as to how events play out and the fates of all the key characters. Short of the GRRMs ending turning out to be 'and then the Scientologists landed in a UFO...' there seems to be little reason for the showrunners to deviate from that outline, save where necessary in order to accommodate the existing differences between show and book and perhaps conform to budgetary restrictions on what could be delivered.
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Jon Neu
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Better writers hey? Is this where you link to your slashfic blog? Because that would be adorable.
I can send you a copy of my scripts and even include my mixtapes too.
Signed for you, my biggest fan
Silent Duck
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Kadayi
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Personal, versus personnel, always a conundrum.
Dacon
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No, he's literally just making an educated guess based off what we already know about the deal GRRM made and the way hollywood deals usually go. That's not a conspiracy, nor is it the definition of it. By your definition every guess a person makes is a conspiracy.
Kadayi
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Clearly
Tell us more about what this deal is that GRRM made with HBO, plus the way these deals usually go.
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MetalAlien
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It's absolutely without question the next day and it's relevant because when the plot needs something to happen no matter the speed and distance... it happens. The retreat is just as plausible as anything else that happens and it would make a better ending.
Kadayi
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Firstly the director says otherwise. Secondly, as the series hasn't concluded how can you know? You need to get over grieving for your fanfic theories as to how things go down.
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MetalAlien
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So they just sat on that frozen rock surrounded by the dead for days waiting for either the lake to freeze over or Dani to show up? Even if the director says that... he didn't shoot it that way... tough shit for him.
If i'm grieving what the hell are you doing? Jerking off?
20cent
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bitbydeath
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I’m still hopeful for an announcement of his next book if not next two books once the show has finished.
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Dragon_Rocks
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Is Rian Johnson the ghost writer behind all of this?
Coincidence? I DON'T THINK SO!!1
I am wondering if she could have released herself and done the attack like that then what was the reason for doing the dropping, releasing, catching and attacking move. Just get released like you did and then do a quick attack with the weapon in hand.
Jon Neu
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By the way, someone remember when in season 1 Jorah fought a Dothraki and he survived because the dothraki sword couldn't pass through Jorah's armor?
You know, back when details mattered in the show.
And now he dies by a wight piercing a sword through his armour. I think there's a beautiful metaphor about plot armour and Hollywood convenience script on rails to be found there.
You know, back when details mattered in the show.
And now he dies by a wight piercing a sword through his armour. I think there's a beautiful metaphor about plot armour and Hollywood convenience script on rails to be found there.
Punished Miku
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Rewatched it for a 2nd time. My girlfriend killed me.
Jorra Mormont dying, and I'm just like ".... poor bastard, friend zoned forever."
My girlfriend: "just touch his dick for fuck's sake, he's dying. Just touch it once, the whole audience is fine with it."
That poor bastard.
Jorra Mormont dying, and I'm just like ".... poor bastard, friend zoned forever."
My girlfriend: "just touch his dick for fuck's sake, he's dying. Just touch it once, the whole audience is fine with it."
That poor bastard.
Airbus Jr
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Dude no armor is impenetrable
First scene with dothraki it was a slashing attack
Second with walkers it was a piercing attack which is more powerfulll to resist from the front part of the armor
first scene is 1 vs 1
second scene he was overwhelmed
Also your armor will lost its durability and stength overtime with constant repeated attack
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StreetsofBeige
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As I said before regarding Band of Brothers final episode, don't get too hyped at GoT's final episodes. It might be a let down.
Unless there's some more big fights coming, GoT might have just finished any cool combat scenes, so the rest might be dramatic stuff to tie up loose ends. Might be a snorefest like Band of Bro's episode 10.
Unless there's some more big fights coming, GoT might have just finished any cool combat scenes, so the rest might be dramatic stuff to tie up loose ends. Might be a snorefest like Band of Bro's episode 10.
Jon Neu
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Dude, it went through like the armour was butter.
Being overwhelmed or not doesn’t matter (Sam survived against more wights than Jorah, by the way).
But yeah, it must be the durability. It’s not like Dany was filthy rich to buy equipment since seasons ago and it’s not like the entire north was there to give everybody equipment for free.
Airbus Jr
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There wont be any bigger fight coming after this
The Long Night is Game of Thrones biggest war when it comes to numbers and casualties
Theres another big fight coming in Episode 5 but it will be a smaller scale compared to this one considering that majority of Daenarys and Cerseis army is gone now
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Kadayi
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LOL. Absolutely. How else were they going to get away? Fight their way through the Night Kings Army? The issue of how long they were actually there, is unimportant versus the nature of their predicament.
Please, you posited an unfeasible theory that the Dragons could decant everyone from Winterfell to some undisclosed location of safety (presumably either Dragonstone or the Iron Islands) and I merely pointed out the flaws in that idea. No need to get pissy about it. The show it telling a narrative, with certain beats being required. Now within that frame, one can discuss and critique as to how something could have been better implemented (such as with behind the wall showing the dirty dozen at night crouching around a fire) but what you can't argue against is the intent.
When people are looking for ways as to how the good guys could have won the battle, outside of how it played out with Arya killing the NK at great cost as the story required, they're basically doing criticism wrong. The Dothraki were always going to get wiped out by the army of the dead. The dead were always going to breach the walls. The narrative demands it. Could certain things have been better implemented? Sure, but the results would still be the same., Arya killing the Night King with the Valerian Steel Dagger in the Gods Wood before he is able to strike down Bran.
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Rentahamster
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lol
AV
We ain't outta here in ten minutes, we won't need no rocket to fly through space
The idea that "dramatic stuff" might be a let down or "snorefest" because it's not "cool combat scenes" is... well, it's something. Did you by any chance think that the recent Star Wars movies didn't have enough lightsaber fights?
MetalAlien
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RedVIper
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LOL no, I'm not going to hold it agaisnt them because there's barely any movie that does armor properly but this is not how plate armor works.
You can't just pierce plate armor without a specific kinda of weapon, you could spend all day hitting me it's not getting trough.
He's also not overwhelmed, it was 1 wight that killed him. Your armor also doesn't lose durability from one fucking batlle.
He died because it has necessary for the plot, I just don't understand why these idiots always feel the need to have them die with a sword to the chest, have it go trough his face since nobody wears a fucking helmet.
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