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Game of Thrones *Tagged Book Spoilers, Please Read OP* |OT| Season 3 - Sundays on HBO
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Gen.Grievous
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No time and money for more episodes. Splitting one book into two seasons is as good as we're going to get.
SOS
Is the show really portraying Shae as being in any way non expendable? I mean by the time Shae bites it in the books everything in King's Landing has been completely upset anyway with far more important characters getting killed before her. I think they're setting it up very nicely with Tywin blathering on about hating Tyrion's whoring habits. That'll be a monologue that everyone will be referring back to when Tyrion stumbles across Shae in Tywin's bed to explain Tyrion descending to homicide/patricide.
heliosRAzi
Banned
From what the showrunners have said, it wasn't money, but it was time. They turned in footage of the Blackwater episode to the VFX studio a week before it aired. They were constantly in a hurry and sending in finished tapes to HBO with 20 minutes to spare.
SOS
The point is that we see Shae risk her life last year to find and stay for Tyrion. And tonight she comments how she will always watch of Sansa.
These arent ruses, she's saying and doing what she actually feels. How will she go from that to betraying Tyrion and testifying against him in the trial? I think a betrayal now would feel too out there, seeing as we've seen her put her life in danger in the S2 finale for Tyrion. Or potentially put her life in danger anyway.
These arent ruses, she's saying and doing what she actually feels. How will she go from that to betraying Tyrion and testifying against him in the trial? I think a betrayal now would feel too out there, seeing as we've seen her put her life in danger in the S2 finale for Tyrion. Or potentially put her life in danger anyway.
Jibbajabbawockky
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Yeah. [ASoS]
Having Shae betray Tyrion when Tyrion is at his lowest during the trial and afterwards basically is a massive betrayal. But from Shae's POV for her own survival it basically makes sense. But its completely throwing Tyrion under the bus.
Even with the changes made in the show, that scene would still make sense, IMO.
Cornballer
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A few more gifs that I nabbed & rehosted from over on the SA forums:
nsfw Bronn & friend: http://i.minus.com/iqJ5VpU757KL6.gif
nsfw Bronn & friend: http://i.minus.com/iqJ5VpU757KL6.gif
heliosRAzi
Banned
In the Wire, they have many plot lines going on. You got the police plot, the drug dealer plot, the druggie plot, politicians plots, so many things going on in a single episode. You'd probably get just a few minutes with a particular character and then it moves on to something else. It works for the Wire because everything is connected. We see how each character can be affected by a different character even though they have not and will not meet.
For GoT, the events happen so far away to not matter. It's alright in the books because you get to spend more time with the characters and actually get hints and details as to what is going on. There's so much more to latch on to in the books. But in the show, having only 55 minutes and episode, they can't go into much detail. They can only jump from character to character and since there are so many goddamn characters, some get left out of certain episodes.
For GoT, the events happen so far away to not matter. It's alright in the books because you get to spend more time with the characters and actually get hints and details as to what is going on. There's so much more to latch on to in the books. But in the show, having only 55 minutes and episode, they can't go into much detail. They can only jump from character to character and since there are so many goddamn characters, some get left out of certain episodes.
It has to change because it's impossible for it to happen the way the book did it now.
This Shae clearly cares more about Tyrion than jewels. It's not an act. TV show Shae wouldn't testify against Tyrion for a monetary reward.
SOS spoilers getting Major now.
Do you think the show Shae allows her to be portrayed ultimately as a survivor first and foremost? Tyrion's ability to protect Shae is faltering and going to go into the toilet after all. Let's not forget that she's playing the Game of Thrones as well and the show hasn't flinched from that aspect of her character. I can see the point that TV Shae is more heroic than book Shae. But is she heroic to a fault? Would show Shae stand by Tyrion if it meant her getting thrown into cells and possibly executed along with him for the MURDER of boy king Joffery? I'd say that show Shae, though different from Book Shae, isn't that noble and definitely not that stupid. She's not NED
David Incorporated Esq.
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Regarding the Shae and Tyrion discussion in spoilers:
What everyone is forgetting is that it's not the lies and the betrayal that get Tyrion--he knows she wouldn't be able to resist Tywin--it's what she says when she does it. She says he made her call him her "giant of Lannister" which was unnecessary and really just twists the knife in his greatest shame. Then when he finds her in Tywin's bed he's ready to forgive her but then she calls him that again and reminds him. He snaps and kills her.
If they keep that in I think they can play that up. Tyrion is not a nice guy and people have to remember that, but there can be some measure of provocation to "justify" it.
If they keep that in I think they can play that up. Tyrion is not a nice guy and people have to remember that, but there can be some measure of provocation to "justify" it.
Outdoor Miner
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I enjoyed that quite a bit. Seeing a giant was awesome, didn't think they'd give us that. 
Anyone else think they are dropping the ball in their portrayal of the war so far? SOS
Anyone else think they are dropping the ball in their portrayal of the war so far? SOS
I mean, everything north of King's Landing is basically a burnt fucking ruin from book 2 onward. It's to the point where you have a mass exodus with everyone winding up at KL seeking refuge and overcrowding and starvation becoming real problems. You can't travel anywhere as Starks or Lannisters or the Mountains band are killing at will. I hold out hope that Arya's arc this season will provide us these visuals.
ASOS
If Shae really cares about Tyrion, then it would only make her betrayal and Tyrion's retribution all the more tragic and morally ambiguous, something that I think audiences will enjoy.
Seeing how her feelings will come in conflict with her own survival, as all of her support systems crumble after Joffrey's death and Tyrion's imprisonment, will make compelling television.
Seeing how her feelings will come in conflict with her own survival, as all of her support systems crumble after Joffrey's death and Tyrion's imprisonment, will make compelling television.
IAmtheFMan
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ASoS
Lets not forget that we have the whole Sansa marrying Tyrion part of the plot to come. With the increased focus and relationship between the three this could definitely change the dynamic, cause Shae to feel slighted by both sides and can basically go with the story in the books with only minor tweaking.
While I think D&D take their liberties, I don't think that they've let anyone live when they were supposed to die (the opposite is definitely true though.).
While I think D&D take their liberties, I don't think that they've let anyone live when they were supposed to die (the opposite is definitely true though.).
Yeah, wife read the books and informed me of that, and that the political intrigue and detachment of the books makes it easier to digest. Yet she's had ADWD waiting on her nightstand for 6 months for similar reasons.
Thanks for this! I looked up Robb on IMDB and STILL thought they were the same guy. I had to open character pics of both in separate windows to confirm. (I've been slow ever since they cut my balls off with a hot knife.)
I don't like the casting of either Mance or Tormund either. For Mance, it's as if they wanted to cast a marquee actor at all costs regardless of whether they were right for the role or not. Ciarian Hinds is a fine actor, but he's too dour to play Mance Rayder. And the actor who plays Tormund -- well, he certainly looks the part, but he seems to lack the range to make the character affable.
It's a little early to make that judgment. You've seen like a minute of each of them.
Anton Sugar
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Agree with Mance, though I'll certainly give Hinds a chance, but I think Tormund is spot on. I disagree--I think he's a very likable actor.
ASOS
If she really cares about Tyrion then she has to have a damn good reason for turning on him. If she has a damn good understandable reason for doing that and she's not really an awful person, then Tyrion becomes completely unlikable for killing her to the TV audience. I don't see why they would do that.
Anton Sugar
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It's literally the "hall"/dwelling of Harren the Black. I think dropping the last L is just a language/tradition kinda thing. I'm no authority, though.
MuddyDonut
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Do people like TV Shae that much?
PhoenixDark
Banned
I agree on Mance; chasing the big name at all costs isn't a good idea, and forces the writers to expand the role to make the actor happy (see Littlefinger, Margery). Still, I believe we should at least wait to see more of Mance, in better scenes, before making final judgements.
Same with Tormund. I've seen the actor in someway at comedic roles, let's see what the writers have in store for him.
BobTheFork
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I really like her and knowing what's coming up makes me like their choice more.
T.M. MacReady
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i despise TV Shae. The actress is absolutely awful. makes a weak character even worse.
Cornballer
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HBO just renewed Game of Thrones for Season 4.
HBO said:
Regarding the discussion about Shae ... ASOS
edit: great news about season 4.
I really don't see why her story/death would change in the show. It was established in season 2 that she doesn't like being hidden and stuck in a room and so she uses her relationship with Tyrion to become Sansa's handmaiden, allowing her to have more freedom.
When Joffrey dies, Sansa escapes with LF (meaning Shae will lose her position as her handmaiden) and Tyrion is imprisoned (and so is not as influential/powerful as he was before ... aka he won't be able to get her another position like that). Sansa has ditched her, Tyrion can no longer give her anything, and Cersei offers her money and a husband. Shae will have little reason not to betray Sansa and Tyrion, who have both basically screwed her at this point. Plus Cersei can threaten her.
When Joffrey dies, Sansa escapes with LF (meaning Shae will lose her position as her handmaiden) and Tyrion is imprisoned (and so is not as influential/powerful as he was before ... aka he won't be able to get her another position like that). Sansa has ditched her, Tyrion can no longer give her anything, and Cersei offers her money and a husband. Shae will have little reason not to betray Sansa and Tyrion, who have both basically screwed her at this point. Plus Cersei can threaten her.
edit: great news about season 4.
Anton Sugar
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It's funny that the characters in the show refer to Hodor as a giant when that thing is running around.
Hodor is half giant, right?
David Incorporated Esq.
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He's got giant's blood but he's not half giant, I'm pretty sure.
It's funny that the characters in the show refer to Hodor as a giant when that thing is running around.
They haven't seen a giant, Jon is the first main cast member that sees one.
About time! Guess they needed to combine it with the good ratings news.
Took them long enough.
Steelyuhas
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I enjoyed that quite a bit. Seeing a giant was awesome, didn't think they'd give us that.
Anyone else think they are dropping the ball in their portrayal of the war so far? SOSI mean, everything north of King's Landing is basically a burnt fucking ruin from book 2 onward. It's to the point where you have a mass exodus with everyone winding up at KL seeking refuge and overcrowding and starvation becoming real problems. You can't travel anywhere as Starks or Lannisters or the Mountains band are killing at will. I hold out hope that Arya's arc this season will provide us these visuals.
Yeah I think a bit, but I also think the show was kind of always doomed in this aspect as you only have 10 hours a season and a trillion characters, time needs to be spent with our characters and their actions and relationships. The Harrenhal scene in episode 1 was pretty nice in that aspect though, we'll see how they handle it in season 3.
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Nice to get the official word on the obvious renewal.
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The Daily Raven: Simone Boyce's Episode 1 recap (book spoilers)
I wonder how that came to be. I just don't even want to think about what a giant would do to a human.
Anton Sugar
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It's briefly mentioned in the book. No story spoilers:
Women typically don't survive the...encounter.
Which book if you don't mind me asking? It's been a while since I've read AGoT.
But yeah, I can't imagine a woman faring too well in that scenario.
Anton Sugar
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I want to say it's in ASOS. Minor story spoilers (none if you've read ACoK or watched S2):
I think it is mentioned during Hodor, Bran, and Co.'s travels from Winterfell, as Hodor has a larger role in these sequences.
Might be in AFfC, though--sorry, can't remember.
[~ASoS]
I haven't read AFfC yet (starting it tonight), so that may be why I haven't seen it. It would make sense since they just crossed the wall. I figured it's something Osha might have mentioned after seeing Hodor in the first book.
Why isn't it Sunday yet?
Victory Red
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Duane Cunningham
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As far as not accurately showing the effects of the war, one thing they could do is show earlier settings from S1 maybe... but show the contrast between the two. After all, those physical places were already used before. In the books (ASoS)
I know that do that a little bit... some stuff happens in that same inn where Cat captured Tyrion, maybe that could be a good opportunity
BenjaminBirdie
Banned
Just to clarify, Robb and his soldiers came upon Harrenhal in this episode right? The people I was watching with thought it was Winterfell and I was like "Uhhhh"
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