Zathalus
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Wait, does Returnal, Ratchet and Clank, Demon Souls, Spider-man, and Miles Morales not count as Sony developed games as they essentially got them as part of acquisitions?
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GameIndustry.biz: Xbox is the game publisher of 2021
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oldergamer
Member
Good god guys, let the green rats have this one. Prior to this year, the last couple of years of xbox gaming be like:
That's cool, you're still full of crap though and totally wrong. No offense.
MS had a good year, first one in a very long time. Nothing truthful about what you wrote. It was a petty excuse to dismiss games to reach a weak point of view. Hope it made you feel better. Myself I'm going to enjoy playing fun games this holiday.
kingfey
Banned
I will take that you are pissed off, at the fact xbox delivered good games then, instead of releasing that bad halo in 2020.
Sosokrates
Report me if I continue to console war
Good god guys, let the green rats have this one. Prior to this year, the last couple of years of xbox gaming be like:
The blue snakes will never let that happen..NEVAAAAAAA!
Dr Bass
Member
Sony has always been the publisher for those games, even pre-acquisition. Not the same as Bethesda, Double Fine, etc, at all.
Also just a reminder to everyone ... this is just a single dude's opinion piece. No need to get your jimmies rustled over it either way.
kingfey
Banned
We can't have drama, if one person isn't satisfied. That how these posts usually derail with heated arguments.
kingfey
Banned
I still don't get why he is mad about it. Ms released games, and that is what Xbox gamers want. They didn't get craps like cyberpunk2077, and battlefield 2042.
CatLady
Selfishly plays on Xbox Purr-ies X
I wonder if he'll be saying the same thing next year if Sony hits it out of the park and gets Publisher of the year with HFW and GT7 that were supposed to release this year
Papacheeks
Banned
that’s like 3 years away?
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CliffyB's Cock Holster
Seriously, this is exactly the problem. You're turning this into a platform war because I had the temerity to criticize awarding publisher of the year based on such thin grounds.
See here's thing: I understand what a publisher's functions are, and make my judgements based on how well they perform those tasks. So, if a publisher greenlights a chancy project - I give credit. If they run projects well and hit their release dates with the product in good shape, I give them credit. Stuff like that.
Publishers are not necessarily platform holders. If so, how can you give credit to smaller outfits like Annapurna or Devolver who maintain steady slates of interesting and often innovative products without billions in funding? Or do they not count?
This precisely is why I mentioned fanboy goggles, even after I tried to distance myself from conflation with console warring by stating up-front that I actually own an Xbox! Look at the outraged response for simply calling bullshit on a decision to promote a candidate for publisher of the year on grounds I felt were weak.
Immediately we have people rushing to defend the mothership, when I made no attack on it. I simply listed the slate of titles that were being bandied about in justification and why I didn't consider them sufficient.
Riky
$MSFT
I don't know if Microsoft have anything announced for last gen consoles next year? Starfield is Series exclusive so it looks like they are moving on and just using Cloud Gaming for Xbox One users.
Punished Miku
Human Rights Subscription Service
I'll tell you when you're older.
Banjo64
cumsessed
Strider Highwind
Banned
I think this is dope. First half of the year I was all in on my PS5 and for the second half my Series X/PC has been flying with some nintendo switch/oled mixed in the middle. I'm happy with all of the consoles and PC Gaming right now
Now back to trying to sneak and play stuff to tackle this backlog while at work lol
Now back to trying to sneak and play stuff to tackle this backlog while at work lol
Banjo64
cumsessed
Starfield and Redfall are next year and Series only.
Deathloop and Tokyo Ghostwire are next gen only.
Xbox One is finished now as far as MS first party goes.
Stuart360
Member
I mean its just such a weird take. I wouldnt be surprised if 80% of the games released in the last 3 years have been delayed, probably numerous times. In fact if a game being delayed meant its not eligible to be included, Sony would never win publisher of the year lol.I wonder if he'll be saying the same thing next year if Sony hits it out of the park and gets Publisher of the year with HFW and GT7 that were supposed to release this year
This is a publisher award, its got nothing to do with why a game launched on a given date. This is a weird one even by cosnole war standards.
Riky
$MSFT
Next Gen begins for the Green Rats
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CliffyB's Cock Holster
Read my post #61. Maybe then you'll drop the wrong end of the stick you are flailing at me with.
Once again: This isn't about platforms, its about publishers. I'd honestly find a contention of Xbox as platform of the year way more acceptable than publisher of the year, because that would widen the criteria.
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Stuart360
Member
But thats what this is, 'publisher' They look at each publisher, and what they relesed that year. They dont look at what they released, then go into that games history, rocky roadpath, delays etc. Its got nothing to do with that, its to do with publishers and what they released that year.
Concern
Member
Considering the meltdown over this, im just wondering. Do we get some kind of bonus, free game, or even incentive if our favorite dev/pub or whatever win an award?
Cuz fuck this is looking like serious business over one stupid award that absolutely does nothing for us. Fuckin embarrassing lol
Cuz fuck this is looking like serious business over one stupid award that absolutely does nothing for us. Fuckin embarrassing lol
kingfey
Banned
That is you.
According to your words, Sony wont get those awards, since they delayed their games, which was supposed to be released this year.
There is no console war from my side.
GymWolf
Member
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CliffyB's Cock Holster
When did I mention Sony at all?
kingfey
Banned
do you know how to read context?
Dr Bass
Member
There is plenty of goading going on from the people who land in the Microsoft-only camp though:
"There is no debate!"
That's going to start up the arguments for obvious reasons.
I would say there is a debate. I mean maybe by default MS "wins" since they published the most games overall this year maybe? But you know ... personally, I think it's kinda hilarious that a platform lambasted for being a "Halo/Gears/Forza" box is now being praised for launching.... Halo and Forza? And they look identical to what's been released for those series for decades. Like seriously, you play Forza 4 then Forza 5 and the only thing that is different is the setting. All of the Halo reviews are mysteriously referencing "The Silent Cartographer" ... as a reference of how the game is good again? It's oddly present in all the major pubs, almost as if they were told what they needed to mention.
But anyway, sort of beside the point. Can you imagine if Breath of the Wild 2 came out and all of the reviews said something like "Finally, we get a dungeon like the OoT Water Temple"? Why are they referencing things from 20 years ago?! Move. On! It's just kinda sad to read really.Then you have Psychonauts 2 which is ... ok. And Flight Sim 2020 which is again, a cool piece of software for learning about piloting, but not really a "game." Age of Empires is cool. Not on console of course.
Like, that's your winner? Again, it feels like it's by default. IMO both Returnal and Metroid Dread have far better gameplay than anything MS released this year. And I know that will draw the "laugh" emoticon responses from the MS-only crowd here, but I've played Halo, Forza, Psychonauts, Flight Sim, and Age of Empires. I bet they haven't played Returnal (an incredible new series with pitch perfect gameplay, an extremely well told story, and some of the best music of the year) or Dread (a fantastic leap forward for Metroid in the gameplay department, with the best control I've ever experienced in a 3d side scroller). Ratchet and Clank also have better visuals than anything in the list from MS (Sorry, it's true, go play the game if you don't believe it.
). So I guess out of the big three I would pick Nintendo or Sony still. But maybe a third party has pushed out more good games overall than any of those three. I honestly haven't looked at everything out there.So it's a matter of opinion. I would take one or two industry benchmark games over games that don't seem to ever change and are on their 16th, and 14th games over the last 15-20 years, a non game, a standard RTS, and a platform that looks like an indie game. And again, the games are fun. It's great that MS is finally putting out new games for the Series X. But publisher of the year? Hey, whatever floats that guys boat.
But like I said, doesn't matter, just like the game awards don't matter. Awards don't matter in general, and this is not even that. It's a dude writing an opinion piece as it states in big ol' letters at the top of of the article. Nobody should really care. And everyone is free to have their own opinion and be perfectly satisfied
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Banjo64
You might want to actually read a post before putting the "laugh" response on it, and basically proving my point. I got the notice for that seconds after this was posted. Try to engage in good faith.
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Stop projecting, and just admit you were the one who tried to turn this into a platform war when I have made no mention of it. And in so doing proved me 100% correct for calling out platform partisanship as the main reason for all this hostility. (Entertaining as it is!)
kingfey
Banned
ZywyPL
Banned
They indeed started seriously snowballing since summer, and seems like they're not going to slow down anytime soon, so well deserved.
Victory Box, hence it won.
Victory Box, hence it won.
VAVA Mk2
Member
Kretos' legend shall live on.Green Rats
kingfey
Banned
Your points applies to PlayStation too.There is plenty of goading going on from the people who land in the Microsoft-only camp though:
"There is no debate!"
That's going to start up the arguments for obvious reasons.
I would say there is a debate. I mean maybe by default MS "wins" since they published the most games overall this year maybe? But you know ... personally, I think it's kinda hilarious that a platform lambasted for being a "Halo/Gears/Forza" box is now being praised for launching.... Halo and Forza? And they look identical to what's been released for those series for decades. Like seriously, you play Forza 4 then Forza 5 and the only thing that is different is the setting. All of the Halo reviews are mysteriously referencing "The Silent Cartographer" ... as a reference of how the game is good again? It's oddly present in all the major pubs, almost as if they were told what they needed to mention.
Then you have Psychonauts 2 which is ... ok. And Flight Sim 2020 which is again, a cool piece of software for learning about piloting, but not really a "game." Age of Empires is cool. Not on console of course.
Like, that's your winner? Again, it feels like it's by default. IMO both Returnal and Metroid Dread have far better gameplay than anything MS released this year. And I know that will draw the "laugh" emoticon responses from the MS-only crowd here, but I've played Halo, Forza, Psychonauts, Flight Sim, and Age of Empires. I bet they haven't played Returnal (an incredible new series with pitch perfect gameplay, an extremely well told story, and some of the best music of the year) or Dread (a fantastic leap forward for Metroid in the gameplay department, with the best control I've ever experienced in a 3d side scroller). Ratchet and Clank also have better visuals than anything in the list from MS (Sorry, it's true, go play the game if you don't believe it.
So it's a matter of opinion. I would take one or two industry benchmark games over games that don't seem to ever change and are on their 16th, and 14th games over the last 15-20 years, a non game, a standard RTS, and a platform that looks like an indie game. And again, the games are fun. It's great that MS is finally putting out new games for the Series X. But publisher of the year? Hey, whatever floats that guys boat.
But like I said, doesn't matter, just like the game awards don't matter. Awards don't matter in general, and this is not even that. It's a dude writing an opinion piece as it states in big ol' letters at the top of of the article. Nobody should really care. And everyone is free to have their own opinion and be perfectly satisfied
Edit: Hey
Ratchet, miles and demon are series that was on the system. Only new is returnal.
People are praising xbox, because they have games now. Instead of the dry xbox one era.
Banjo64
cumsessed
This is the level we have reached
And? Are you actually creaming yourself over visuals when talking about publisher of the year? Does gameplay mean anything to you, or do you just like eyeporn?Ratchet and Clank also have better visuals than anything in the list from MS (Sorry, it's true, go play the game if you don't believe it.
Oh yeah? You mean games like… Ratchet and Clank? Are you high?
I can’t lie, I have put a laugh emoji on your post. It’s not because I’m Xbox only though. I really enjoy Xbox, PS and Nintendo. I’m laughing at the mental gymnastics, contradictions and comically piss poor takes like ‘Psychonauts 2 is… ok’
Fess
Member
Nah Fable without the tongue-in-cheek humor isn’t Fable, fortunately MS has plenty of that in-house now with Tim Schafer and also Obsidian, and going by the playful announcement trailer Playground already know what to do there.
I agree on the character building and exploration though, they need to nail that. But I’m not really worried, only way things will go terribly wrong is if MS don’t let the teams talk and share ideas, with Bethesda, Obsidian and inXile in-house they shouldn’t fail with a RPG.
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kingfey
Banned
maybe we were the Kretos all along.
Chukhopops
Member
All those words just to say that it’s a matter of opinion, good job on your debate skills!There is plenty of goading going on from the people who land in the Microsoft-only camp though:
"There is no debate!"
That's going to start up the arguments for obvious reasons.
I would say there is a debate. I mean maybe by default MS "wins" since they published the most games overall this year maybe? But you know ... personally, I think it's kinda hilarious that a platform lambasted for being a "Halo/Gears/Forza" box is now being praised for launching.... Halo and Forza? And they look identical to what's been released for those series for decades. Like seriously, you play Forza 4 then Forza 5 and the only thing that is different is the setting. All of the Halo reviews are mysteriously referencing "The Silent Cartographer" ... as a reference of how the game is good again? It's oddly present in all the major pubs, almost as if they were told what they needed to mention.
Then you have Psychonauts 2 which is ... ok. And Flight Sim 2020 which is again, a cool piece of software for learning about piloting, but not really a "game." Age of Empires is cool. Not on console of course.
Like, that's your winner? Again, it feels like it's by default. IMO both Returnal and Metroid Dread have far better gameplay than anything MS released this year. And I know that will draw the "laugh" emoticon responses from the MS-only crowd here, but I've played Halo, Forza, Psychonauts, Flight Sim, and Age of Empires. I bet they haven't played Returnal (an incredible new series with pitch perfect gameplay, an extremely well told story, and some of the best music of the year) or Dread (a fantastic leap forward for Metroid in the gameplay department, with the best control I've ever experienced in a 3d side scroller). Ratchet and Clank also have better visuals than anything in the list from MS (Sorry, it's true, go play the game if you don't believe it.
So it's a matter of opinion. I would take one or two industry benchmark games over games that don't seem to ever change and are on their 16th, and 14th games over the last 15-20 years, a non game, a standard RTS, and a platform that looks like an indie game. And again, the games are fun. It's great that MS is finally putting out new games for the Series X. But publisher of the year? Hey, whatever floats that guys boat.
But like I said, doesn't matter, just like the game awards don't matter. Awards don't matter in general, and this is not even that. It's a dude writing an opinion piece as it states in big ol' letters at the top of of the article. Nobody should really care. And everyone is free to have their own opinion and be perfectly satisfied
Edit: Hey
Also I personally own Returnal and I think it was decent as a shooter but awful as a rogue-like. I cannot remember a single track of its soundtrack, all I remember is the annoying Brrzwwpp sound that happens whenever your alt fire is available (every 10 secs or so). It’s a mediocre game and that’s why you can find dozens of copies of it in any second hand store.
Stuart360
Member
I can feel your pain Dr Bass. Like you said, its a nothing award and doesnt really matter anyway.There is plenty of goading going on from the people who land in the Microsoft-only camp though:
"There is no debate!"
That's going to start up the arguments for obvious reasons.
I would say there is a debate. I mean maybe by default MS "wins" since they published the most games overall this year maybe? But you know ... personally, I think it's kinda hilarious that a platform lambasted for being a "Halo/Gears/Forza" box is now being praised for launching.... Halo and Forza? And they look identical to what's been released for those series for decades. Like seriously, you play Forza 4 then Forza 5 and the only thing that is different is the setting. All of the Halo reviews are mysteriously referencing "The Silent Cartographer" ... as a reference of how the game is good again? It's oddly present in all the major pubs, almost as if they were told what they needed to mention.
Then you have Psychonauts 2 which is ... ok. And Flight Sim 2020 which is again, a cool piece of software for learning about piloting, but not really a "game." Age of Empires is cool. Not on console of course.
Like, that's your winner? Again, it feels like it's by default. IMO both Returnal and Metroid Dread have far better gameplay than anything MS released this year. And I know that will draw the "laugh" emoticon responses from the MS-only crowd here, but I've played Halo, Forza, Psychonauts, Flight Sim, and Age of Empires. I bet they haven't played Returnal (an incredible new series with pitch perfect gameplay, an extremely well told story, and some of the best music of the year) or Dread (a fantastic leap forward for Metroid in the gameplay department, with the best control I've ever experienced in a 3d side scroller). Ratchet and Clank also have better visuals than anything in the list from MS (Sorry, it's true, go play the game if you don't believe it.
So it's a matter of opinion. I would take one or two industry benchmark games over games that don't seem to ever change and are on their 16th, and 14th games over the last 15-20 years, a non game, a standard RTS, and a platform that looks like an indie game. And again, the games are fun. It's great that MS is finally putting out new games for the Series X. But publisher of the year? Hey, whatever floats that guys boat.
But like I said, doesn't matter, just like the game awards don't matter. Awards don't matter in general, and this is not even that. It's a dude writing an opinion piece as it states in big ol' letters at the top of of the article. Nobody should really care. And everyone is free to have their own opinion and be perfectly satisfied
Edit: Hey
TheThreadsThatBindUs
Member
Imho it was Capcom this year.
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CliffyB's Cock Holster
Failure to hit a release date, especially a key launch date like one that coincides with a platform launch is a massive failure of organization and planning for any publisher. It represents a massive loss of money, confidence with partners and the buying public, its embarassing. Especially when they had literally years to ready in time, knowing full well its strategic importance.
You don't give credit to them for delivering what should have been there a year prior, because that's rewarding incompetence. Same deal with rewarding them for products that were greenlit prior to their incorporation within XGS, because that's like rewarding a manager for transfers made by their predecessor... its circumstance not design.
And as I keep stressing, to me its about merit, not handing gongs out because you're a fanboy for that particular side.
That's basically it. If you can't wrap your head around where I'm coming from and insist on dismissing my perspectives as purely bad faith... Well there's not much I can say to that!
Apart from the fact that continuing this discussion is a complete and utter waste of time.
Fess
Member
Yeah MS had a terrible last year and start of this year so second half of this year became awesome instead when the floodgates finally opened.
Sony had great last year and also a good first half of this year but a less exciting second half, their floodgates will open early next year with GT7 and HFW instead while MS will slumber until Starfield from what we know so far.
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kingfey
Banned
Ghost of Caelid
Banned
A game being cross gen isnt indicative of the quality. TLOU2 isnt a worse game cause its last gen only. So why would any other game?
Topher
Identifies as young
That's a good summary. I think Microsoft delivering a great Halo game gave them the edge this year. And that was in doubt for quite some time. If Horizon Forbidden West had released this year then this would be a much different conversation. But I'm thankful that this is actually debatable. I skipped Xbox last gen but Microsoft created one hell of a comeback story with Xbox Series and gaming on Xbox is finally a compelling choice. I'm glad I finally own both PS and Xbox again.
KingGhidorah
Banned
green rats rejoice!!!
ZywyPL
Banned
There is plenty of goading going on from the people who land in the Microsoft-only camp though:
"There is no debate!"
That's going to start up the arguments for obvious reasons.
I would say there is a debate. I mean maybe by default MS "wins" since they published the most games overall this year maybe? But you know ... personally, I think it's kinda hilarious that a platform lambasted for being a "Halo/Gears/Forza" box is now being praised for launching.... Halo and Forza? And they look identical to what's been released for those series for decades. Like seriously, you play Forza 4 then Forza 5 and the only thing that is different is the setting. All of the Halo reviews are mysteriously referencing "The Silent Cartographer" ... as a reference of how the game is good again? It's oddly present in all the major pubs, almost as if they were told what they needed to mention.
Then you have Psychonauts 2 which is ... ok. And Flight Sim 2020 which is again, a cool piece of software for learning about piloting, but not really a "game." Age of Empires is cool. Not on console of course.
Like, that's your winner? Again, it feels like it's by default. IMO both Returnal and Metroid Dread have far better gameplay than anything MS released this year. And I know that will draw the "laugh" emoticon responses from the MS-only crowd here, but I've played Halo, Forza, Psychonauts, Flight Sim, and Age of Empires. I bet they haven't played Returnal (an incredible new series with pitch perfect gameplay, an extremely well told story, and some of the best music of the year) or Dread (a fantastic leap forward for Metroid in the gameplay department, with the best control I've ever experienced in a 3d side scroller). Ratchet and Clank also have better visuals than anything in the list from MS (Sorry, it's true, go play the game if you don't believe it.
So it's a matter of opinion. I would take one or two industry benchmark games over games that don't seem to ever change and are on their 16th, and 14th games over the last 15-20 years, a non game, a standard RTS, and a platform that looks like an indie game. And again, the games are fun. It's great that MS is finally putting out new games for the Series X. But publisher of the year? Hey, whatever floats that guys boat.
But like I said, doesn't matter, just like the game awards don't matter. Awards don't matter in general, and this is not even that. It's a dude writing an opinion piece as it states in big ol' letters at the top of of the article. Nobody should really care. And everyone is free to have their own opinion and be perfectly satisfied
Edit: Hey
There's more than the simple "what" they offer, there's also "how" they offer it. And sorry but with offering all those games throughout the year not only not for the 70€ so-called next-gen tax as the rest of the publishers, but actually even for a dirty cheap monthy fee, and on top of that on both the consoles and PC simultaneously so you don't have to buy the same game twice, they really left the competition (who seem to be jumping on the NFT bandwagon now after lootboxes, MTX and DLC) in the dust.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
I genuinely believe gaming is exiting its infancy phase. 2023 onwards will hopefully show that.
Pacman was a great game back in 1982. I have no interest in more Pacman.
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Fess
Member
I don’t have much to add there, totally agree on the positive ending, having both is going to be awesome going forward
I actually kinda like that they’re a bit off sync on big releases too, it means that one platform might have something big while the other has a bit of downtime. Right now I’m all in on Xbox, feb-mar I’ll be all in on PS.