Astray
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Steam is not a bigger opponent lol.They lost Vs Sony so now they're planning on taking on a bigger opponent. Gaben is also a much larger man than kaz.
Xbox Vs valve
Who will run out of steam first?
Steam is not a bigger opponent lol.They lost Vs Sony so now they're planning on taking on a bigger opponent. Gaben is also a much larger man than kaz.
Xbox Vs valve
Who will run out of steam first?
Yet valve makes more profit than playstation . Tbh I just assumed valve was worth wayyyy more than I thought when I made my post.Steam is not a bigger opponent lol.
Valve is private, otherwise it could potentially be worth way more due to being about the most efficient business since slavery was around.Yet valve makes more profit than playstation . Tbh I just assumed valve was worth wayyyy more than I thought when I made my post.
Ok so now ms picking on the little guy.
But going against valve in the pc space seems more suicidal than taking on sony in the console space.
Profit is only part of the equation.Yet valve makes more profit than playstation . Tbh I just assumed valve was worth wayyyy more than I thought when I made my post.
Ok so now ms picking on the little guy.
But going against valve in the pc space seems more suicidal than taking on sony in the console space.
I mean, duh. Valve does have some (very few) software projects, some of which (*cough*CS*cough*) have some questionable monetization strategies. But their operating expenses, no matter who gets paid for the cloud infrastructure for Steam, are minuscule compared to the 30% cut they get from Steam sales. It's basically a money-printing machine.Yet valve makes more profit than playstation
Does it?Yet valve makes more profit than playstation .
Playstations revenue is like 30 billion but only 2.8 of that is profit.Does it?
I don't think valve makes that available as they are a private company.
Microsoft makes a lot more money than Sony so not sure if it would make for a good indicator…Playstations revenue is like 30 billion but only 2.8 of that is profit.
Valve makes 40% profit off it's revenue which is about 3 billion.
Now, how much profit does the gaming division make?Microsoft makes a lot more money than Sony so not sure if it would make for a good indicator…
Wait… we are all XBox?TL;DR
We are all Xbox.
Xbox vs PlayStation is over
Xbox vs Steam has begun
Steam is not a bigger opponent lol.
Sony hasn't been competent in the slightest. Way more luck / timing involved than anything.Sony has been very competent in beating microsoft. But you have to admit, Microsoft was very dumb.
Valve is way harder. Microsoft invented embrace extend extinguish, but the method to subvert and beat that is openness and interoperability. Chasing and catching the moving target of maliciously manipulated standards. Openness and interoperability happen to be two things that valve consistently goes for. And you have to admit, Microsoft will probably still be very dumb.
Sony has been very competent in beating microsoft. But you have to admit, Microsoft was very dumb.
Valve is way harder. Microsoft invented embrace extend extinguish, but the method to subvert and beat that is openness and interoperability. Chasing and catching the moving target of maliciously manipulated standards. Openness and interoperability happen to be two things that valve consistently goes for. And you have to admit, Microsoft will probably still be very dumb.
Sony hasn't been competent in the slightest. Way more luck / timing involved than anything.
Remember when MS gave Sony a free win with the TV TV TV, and the shitty DRM
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Or even when MS had some good momentum and had RROD.
Or MS complete lack of 1P exclusives, dropping the ball with Halo. The list goes on.
MS defeated MS, Sony always had the advantage and just made LESS fuckups
Just a reminder that Valve is down the street from Microsoft's headquarters in Seattle. It wouldn't take much for Microsoft to spy on them, or lean on local, state, or federal government to hurt Valve's buisness. I don't trust MS to play fair at all.Wondering how dirty ms gets about it.
what makes it more impressive is that Valve has so few employees.Playstations revenue is like 30 billion but only 2.8 of that is profit.
Valve makes 40% profit off it's revenue which is about 3 billion.
Indeed. A company that gives away games for free every week couldn't even touch Steam, I don't know how Microsoft hopes to do better (after 20 years unsuccessfuly trying to appeal to PC players)Sony has been very competent in beating microsoft. But you have to admit, Microsoft was very dumb.
Valve is way harder. Microsoft invented embrace extend extinguish, but the method to subvert and beat that is openness and interoperability. Chasing and catching the moving target of maliciously manipulated standards. Openness and interoperability happen to be two things that valve consistently goes for. And you have to admit, Microsoft will probably still be very dumb.
I think they will fail because their leadership group is awful and fails at everything it does.Sony has been very competent in beating microsoft. But you have to admit, Microsoft was very dumb.
Valve is way harder. Microsoft invented embrace extend extinguish, but the method to subvert and beat that is openness and interoperability. Chasing and catching the moving target of maliciously manipulated standards. Openness and interoperability happen to be two things that valve consistently goes for. And you have to admit, Microsoft will probably still be very dumb.
I think they will fail because their leadership group is awful and fails at everything it does.
But with that said, I disagree about Valve, their room to maneuver in any storefront fight is actually quite limited. They never really faced an opponent with the level of resources and integral access to the Windows ecosystem and deep relationship with OEMs as Microsoft.
I also remind you that while Sony eventually won the war, they actually had much grander ambitions than being king of consoles, and these ambitions are now done. Valve likely has ambitions of its own with SteamOS, and we'll see if they win or not.
It's gonna be a very interesting fight tho.
They don't have anywhere near the capacity to be able to drive a HW strategy. For that to happen they'd have to hire a ton of employees and take on a magnitude of risk higher than anything they've ever did.Valve seem to like to dabble in hardware like Steambox and Steamdeck, but they tend to be niche devices.
They certainly don't have any way to produce and maintain tens of millions of pieces of hardware, and they seem content with that.
Sony hasn't been competent in the slightest. Way more luck / timing involved than anything.
Remember when MS gave Sony a free win with the TV TV TV, and the shitty DRM
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Or even when MS had some good momentum and had RROD.
Or MS complete lack of 1P exclusives, dropping the ball with Halo. The list goes on.
MS defeated MS, Sony always had the advantage and just made LESS fuckups
No, Sony brought expertise in not just hardware, but also entertainment publishing. They had their own screwups because it's been many years and that's business. Microsoft was especially fierce in the 360 days, and Sony managed to see through the disaster of the PS3, supporting it fully fr a long time and not bailing on the system. Largely due to their efforts in worldwide marketing and distribution. And they made some bangin games. 'Not competent in the slighest'? C'mon.
That's such an important point that largely gets overlooked in many discussions. MS never seemed to make a concentrated effort to market Xbox on a world wide scale - instead opting to focus on only a few countries. They've had years to change this, but there was never much movement on making the brand a more global one. In contrast, Sony and Nintendo did and it shows in the results they've earned.
Xbox 360 had several Japanese exclusives not long after launch…
Ridge Racer 6
Ace Combat 6
Lost Odyssey
Blue Dragon
They didn't move the needle and after that they just gave up on Japan/Asia.
From a British perfective Xbox is far too American, all that NFL and gameshows bullshit during the Xbox One reveal was really off putting.
I think they will fail because their leadership group is awful and fails at everything it does.
But with that said, I disagree about Valve, their room to maneuver in any storefront fight is actually quite limited. They never really faced an opponent with the level of resources and integral access to the Windows ecosystem and deep relationship with OEMs as Microsoft.
I also remind you that while Sony eventually won the war, they actually had much grander ambitions than being king of consoles, and these ambitions are now done. Valve likely has ambitions of its own with SteamOS, and we'll see if they win or not.
It's gonna be a very interesting fight tho.
No, Sony brought expertise in not just hardware, but also entertainment publishing. They had their own screwups because it's been many years and that's business. Microsoft was especially fierce in the 360 days, and Sony managed to see through the disaster of the PS3, supporting it fully fr a long time and not bailing on the system. Largely due to their efforts in worldwide marketing and distribution. And they made some bangin games. 'Not competent in the slighest'? C'mon.
I don't believe for one second PC gamers will start to use the Xbox store over Steam.
Last week they were integrating Steam into their console and now they are competing with Steam?
Tbh they were always gonna have to compete with steam, especially with SteamOS in the picture.Last week they were integrating Steam into their console and now they are competing with Steam?
The UK was always the biggest Xbox market outside of North America. Xbox wasn't "too American" when the 360 outsold the PS3 by 3 million. Even the Xbox One sold respectably over here.Xbox 360 had several Japanese exclusives not long after launch…
Ridge Racer 6
Ace Combat 6
Lost Odyssey
Blue Dragon
They didn't move the needle and after that they just gave up on Japan/Asia.
From a British perfective Xbox is far too American, all that NFL and gameshows bullshit during the Xbox One reveal was really off putting.
people were really mad about this
The UK was always the biggest Xbox market outside of North America. Xbox wasn't "too American" when the 360 outsold the PS3 by 3 million. Even the Xbox One sold respectably over here.
The UK looks to America far more than they do to any other country. You mention the NFL... the same NFL that is playing sold out games at Wembley stadium every single year. Not to mention that the best (or at least most modern) two football stadiums in England were both built with the NFL in mind.
PS4 having more powerful hardware at a lower price was the issue for Xbox, not some NFL clips shown during the reveal. Xbox was too American for Japan but not for the UK.
And you're ignoring how big the market is of kids who don't care how they get to their games & if Xbox is in their face when they turn on their device that's where they will play the games.