MrFunSocks
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Nope, I don't care at all. Doesn't mean I can't comment on them when they are given.
Good try though, maybe next time.
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Gamepass subs increased from 18 million to 30 million from Jan 2021?
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Good try though, maybe next time.
post it pls i don't remember to have throwed those numbers ... i said if anything that if they reach those numbers of users who pay constantly they will have a profit enough to make up for any release in the old way (aka single release out from any sub service)
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so 3 month after probably we are at 24/25m ?According to Jeff Grubb in his latest podcast at Giant Bomb (21 mins). Not only is 30 millions wrong but the 23 millions in April was also wrong. The actual number was about 21 millions at E3 (June). That's why MS never announced offical numbers.
If anyone wants to make a thread about this new development.
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So quiet here after all the celebration...
StreetsofBeige
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Move over hardware and game sales lists. It's now come to debating video game subscription plan sales. LOL.
I do Netflix and it's by far the biggest movie/tv show sub plan out there (both content and sub count and NF is profitable). Must really suck for all of you who pay money for shitty B and C-tier media sub plans.
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I do Netflix and it's by far the biggest movie/tv show sub plan out there (both content and sub count and NF is profitable). Must really suck for all of you who pay money for shitty B and C-tier media sub plans.
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Sosokrates
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Hey, i dont know if gp is at 30 mill or not, but if it were or if ps now was it would make more money then selling games only at retail, even if they increased spending for 3rd party deals.
Its fun when people try and argue against math because its an argument they just cant win.
Sony aren't commiting fully to the subscription model because they dont want to or are unable to take the short term hit.
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Black_Stride
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Right?
Because, theres always only one game worth playing on the service at a time.
Shmunter
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Keeping in mind the halo effect on 3rd party games sales of which the platform holder gets 30%.
Recent Lost Judgement sales gulf between Xbox & Sony despite not being on gamepass are staggering.
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CuteFaceJay
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He doesn't know he's just on for the clout.So he doesn't know the number in tweets, but knows the number enough to write an article about it?
Chukhopops
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You mean physical UK sales, also known as « 30% of 8% of the total market that gets extrapolated to death? »
Shmunter
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Of course you can extrapolate. Like any survey or sample data. UK is a country of 67M, hugely relevant statistically.
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Chukhopops
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I don't think you understand statistics. The only way you could realistically extrapolate from a +/- 4% sample is if the sample is randomly selected from your population. Choosing a specific market and a specific channel introduces selection bias.
If not, why not sample from Japan and say Nintendo dominates everything?
Maybe one thing is not clear, in all honesty you think that Ms hadn't thought of such a banality? Gp is a service that wants and aims to be destructive of today's model of the sale of video games .... in the exact same way with which Spotify was for CDs and Netflix for DVD / BR. Netflix was born as a company that sold and rented DVDs do you think they could give a damn to know that initially once they opened the app their physical sales would collapse? Microsoft knows well that its users will spend less willingly on a physical video game when GP has such a high value ... but maybe it's not clear that this is just what they want. If in 5 or 10 years the model will be changed Microsoft will have won or will go back to selling (at least digitally) the individual releases.
JerryinSoCal
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Grubb NEVER talks badly about MS, he even announces things that aren't real to make them sound better than they are lol.
Shmunter
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So what you're saying is Xbox has no relevance in the uk market? Didn't know that.
Shmunter
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The guy above states UK cannot be relied upon for Xbox sales like Japan, otherwise sales must be fine outside of these markets.
But I agree with you, gamepass makes Alacarte sales infeasible and changes the game, no argument with anything you've said. If it makes more money then the traditional it will triumph, otherwise it won't.
Sosokrates
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Good point, forgot about 3rd party cut.
However i think games like cod, gta5, rdr2 and other big games are better representations of the difference on 3rd party sales.
Lost judgement is a bit of a cherry pick because that sort of game has always done better and is more synonymous with playstation. Also the sales for that game are not huge.
Chukhopops
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In physical UK sales Xbox sells a lot less than PS5, and most likely in the UK market as a whole based on market share stats. This is a factual measurement so there's nothing to argue with.
But you can't draw any conclusion outside the UK based on such a small, selected sample. It would be like saying people on average spend 50k on their cars because your sample is German BMW users.
Shmunter
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So what is the install base of each then? You're hand waving away stats without supporting your argument.
physical release sales go down because Gamepass ...while GP subs go crazily up. Seem that things are going like ms want as right now
Hobbygaming
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A lot of them people have played already
Hezekiah
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You're such a liar
. I told you why it won't happen and you actually doubled down on it 
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Hezekiah
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This is why Microsoft will need to start filling GamePass with more and more of their own content. Third-party content outside of GamePass is getting the squeeze.
oh I'm honestly saying that i don't remember but if u find the exact post I'll be very happy to eat my hat. In particular 80 millions could be at the end of the gen. in two or three years we will be at 40/50....When true xs big exclusives will hit there will be a huge bumpYou're such a liar
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Chukhopops
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It has nothing to do with my argument that UK boxed sales are irrelevant. I'll try one last time and then fuck it believe what you want to believe.
UK boxed sales yearly revenue in 2020 (seems to be calendar year): 646M GBP or 874M USD (GFK, 2020)
Estimated software and add-on sales for 2020 (fiscal year so not exactly the same timeframe) for the big three (there's no split between add-on and software as far as I know): 29.7B USD.
So the UK boxed sales market is in the very best scenario 2.93% of the market, and in reality probably even less. In graph form just to make it clearer:
This doesn't even include Steam which seems to not publish any sales data but has 120M MAU (and probably a lower ARPU than console markets).
UK boxed sales should never be used in any serious discussion and are just wank material for console warriors.
Shmunter
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So what you're saying, when games charts on uk retail sales, it says nothing….a #1 game is not a reflection of an actual number #1, it's in accurate to the point it could be anything - basically random.It has nothing to do with my argument that UK boxed sales are irrelevant. I'll try one last time and then fuck it believe what you want to believe.
UK boxed sales yearly revenue in 2020 (seems to be calendar year): 646M GBP or 874M USD (GFK, 2020)
Estimated software and add-on sales for 2020 (fiscal year so not exactly the same timeframe) for the big three (there's no split between add-on and software as far as I know): 29.7B USD.
So the UK boxed sales market is in the very best scenario 2.93% of the market, and in reality probably even less. In graph form just to make it clearer:
This doesn't even include Steam which seems to not publish any sales data but has 120M MAU (and probably a lower ARPU than console markets).
UK boxed sales should never be used in any serious discussion and are just wank material for console warriors.
I'm sorry you are wrong and I'm not sure where you got such a crazy idea.
The numbers may be a subset of a larger industry but are still big enough to eliminate random factors. Subsets of a larger set are most certainly valid, especially here where mass market is involved. Games are being sold at brick and mortar and online order - it is not nothing as you're trying to make it out to be.
So again, what is the install base - because it would need to be 9 to 1 in favour of Sony for the sales number to be essentially equivalent. Simple question relevant to making more sense of what is going on.
Riky
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There are a few factors with the physical Xbox game sales in the UK.
Firstly I think Gamepass has made a lot of people switch to digital, I know I have and so have others I know.
The last Judgement game wasn't even released on Xbox One, so the series has little traction on Xbox.
The PlayStation userbase is obviously bigger both this and last gen, Series X is harder to get in the UK than PS5. If you look at Amazon UK the Series S has more reviews than Series X now, none of those Series S owners will buy a disc. I think PS5 sales are more heavily skewed towards the disc version.
Pretty sure there is a dashboard offer again for reward points for buying the game digitally on Xbox, this has been the case for a few games this has happened to.
Add all these factors together and you get this result, unless we find out digital sales and the total userbases we don't know the full picture.
Could also be that Gamepass subscribers just don't feel the need to buy anymore games as they have a constant flow of new stuff to play.
Firstly I think Gamepass has made a lot of people switch to digital, I know I have and so have others I know.
The last Judgement game wasn't even released on Xbox One, so the series has little traction on Xbox.
The PlayStation userbase is obviously bigger both this and last gen, Series X is harder to get in the UK than PS5. If you look at Amazon UK the Series S has more reviews than Series X now, none of those Series S owners will buy a disc. I think PS5 sales are more heavily skewed towards the disc version.
Pretty sure there is a dashboard offer again for reward points for buying the game digitally on Xbox, this has been the case for a few games this has happened to.
Add all these factors together and you get this result, unless we find out digital sales and the total userbases we don't know the full picture.
Could also be that Gamepass subscribers just don't feel the need to buy anymore games as they have a constant flow of new stuff to play.
Markio128
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I personally can't disagree with any of that. My only concern relates to your last sentence, in that, if it does not suit a third-party for any reason to allow their game on gamepass, then what is the incentive to develop their games at all for xbox if the xbox community are not buying them? It's a fine balance and one that intrigues me.
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FoundryMusic
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What a sword to die on. Again.
Magnific0giganticus
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What "a lot of people"? Game Pass is 18 million subs give or take, what part of that you think it's in the UK? 1 million? The PS5 recently passed 1 million units sold in UK, faster than PS4. Xbox One took a whole year to reach 1 million, and sources place the number of Xbones sold in the UK at around 5-6 million total. Just what kind of installed base are you imagining the Xbox platform has in the UK that a whole bunch of them subscribing to Game Pass and switching to buying all-digital would cause a ripple in the box sales chart?
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Heisenberg007
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These theories have been debunked by Gameindustry's latest data report. PS4 leads with the largest digital market share in the UK. Ubisoft is the publisher with the most digital downloads. Physical to digital sales ratio in the UK is almost 40:60.
Riky
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18 million subs in January, it's now October so I would estimate 23-25 million. If console sales were 10 million PS5 and 6.5 million Series then it's fair to say about 600,000 Series consoles would have been sold in the UK and maybe half them would be Series S so wouldn't buy a disc.
Riky
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That doesn't tell you what percentage of Xbox owners buy digital.
Heisenberg007
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Same theory applies to PS5 Digital then. And PS5 is selling way more than Xbox Series X|S, so it is fair to assume that PS5 Digital would have been sold more than Series S, just like PS5 Standard has sold more than XSX.
Lognor
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Very impressive numbers! I guess I shouldn't be surprised. It really is a fantastic service. It will only continue to grow too as the big hitters start to release (Halo, Forza, etc.). Hopefully they can keep the price where it is for a while longer. I'll pay the higher price, but it's such a fantastic value right now.
cormack12
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Are you playing a game? It throttles when you do if youre not must be a local issue or cdn as it maxes my 100mb all the time but then i am wired.
Hezekiah
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No I haven't played a thing yet! I'm using wi-fi, but when I torrent stuff for example I get up to 35mb/s.
That's what I thought I would get here and it's really pissing me off!
Bear*Walken*the*Sweeper
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I am Jack's complete lack of suprise,
Guilty of Being
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I just ordered an Xbox Series X w/ Game Pass. How often do games leave? What if you're in the middle of one?
StreetsofBeige
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Totally.It has nothing to do with my argument that UK boxed sales are irrelevant. I'll try one last time and then fuck it believe what you want to believe.
UK boxed sales yearly revenue in 2020 (seems to be calendar year): 646M GBP or 874M USD (GFK, 2020)
Estimated software and add-on sales for 2020 (fiscal year so not exactly the same timeframe) for the big three (there's no split between add-on and software as far as I know): 29.7B USD.
So the UK boxed sales market is in the very best scenario 2.93% of the market, and in reality probably even less. In graph form just to make it clearer:
This doesn't even include Steam which seems to not publish any sales data but has 120M MAU (and probably a lower ARPU than console markets).
UK boxed sales should never be used in any serious discussion and are just wank material for console warriors.
And with MS's trend to GP (especially first party games that are there day one), you're going to get a lot of gamers skewing to a digital.
I guess Adobe must be on the brink of bankruptcy since they havent sold a boxed copy of Photoshop in like 7 years, since they went sub plan. Oh wait, they are at record sales and profits. Who knew charging people $20/mth is better than charging them to buy $600 store copies over and over again?
Riky
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You get plenty of notice something is leaving, first party games don't leave.
HeisenbergFX4
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Forzas will eventually leave GP and the store due to license issues but they do give you plenty of notice if you want to buy it
StreetsofBeige
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First party games seem to stick forever unless it's a racing game that has licenses (for example Forza 7 left a few weeks ago). For EA Play games, EA culls out old versions of sports games lately leaving only the latest version. But their non-sports games stick.
Most other third party games seem to have a 6 month minimum. Some third party games seem to stick forever for years.
If you lose access to the game, your saves will still be fine (unless you delete your save files and dont have cloud backup). So if you end up buying the game, you can continue where you left off. What will happen is if you try to launch the game after a game leaves or your GP sub expires, you'll get a pop up box saying it cant load up and if you want to check the store and buy it.
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ResilientBanana
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This thread surged, people mad that Gamepass is coming to more regions to explode sub numbers?
Plantoid
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They tell you in advance when games are going to leave the service, but it's at least 3months,
purvispisgah
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Regarding the lockdowns affecting streaming service numbers (and those numbers potentially going down as lockdowns decrease):
One of the reasons content providers love these platforms is because people continue to pay for them whether they use them or not, like a gym membership. It's just another monthly payment and many just keep subscribed regardless. Much easier to keep people subscribed than to convince them to make an explicit purchase of a game or games
One of the reasons content providers love these platforms is because people continue to pay for them whether they use them or not, like a gym membership. It's just another monthly payment and many just keep subscribed regardless. Much easier to keep people subscribed than to convince them to make an explicit purchase of a game or games
12Dannu123
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This is no surprise, there's essentially no competition at the moment and the competition that is there right now doesn't have the capability to compete at scale.
mckmas8808
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The bolded is why I DON'T want MS to buy Take-Two. We need some 3rd party devs that are independent of a 1st Party.
EVERYONE on GAF should care about the Gamepass numbers. What are you talking about? It matters.
Jigsaah
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100%. I fear that creativity will suffer eventually if this continues.
no absolutely not normal
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