Gamers Nexus: NVIDIA Dirty Manipulation of Reviews

Kenpachii said:
All i see is that reviewers free money train is starting to come into danger.

They get free hardware early so they can make more money reviewing the hardware but are surprised when said company uses its power to push a agenda because guess what they want to sell said hardware.

Maybe those reviewers need to start to stop relaying on handouts of company's and buy there own hardware and then review it themselves. The same goes for game reviews.
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If you think the shilling is bad under the current system, it'll only get worse if Nvidia has its way and consolidates more direct control of the narrative themselves.
 
StereoVsn said:
9070 XT is largely MIA and if it shows up at retail, it goes for the same cost as 5070Ti. And that will not fucking work to get AMD market share. They had an amazing chance and blew it as usual.
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In different countries, different prices. Here ~200$ difference between 9070XT and 5070ti. ~300$ difference between 9070 and 5070ti.
 
Kenpachii said:
All i see is that reviewers free money train is starting to come into danger.

They get free hardware early so they can make more money reviewing the hardware but are surprised when said company uses its power to push a agenda because guess what they want to sell said hardware.

Maybe those reviewers need to start to stop relaying on handouts of company's and buy there own hardware and then review it themselves. The same goes for game reviews.
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Not GN, they do not depend on nVIDIA giving them HW for free. This is spiteful and controlling of nVIDIA, but if you really strongly want to blame other people blame those that desperately want to purchase things at launch and demand a review of said HW without taking any reviewer integrity into account. Stop buying HW at launch, wait for reviewer to do it, read multiple reviews from people that bought the HW themselves and then make your purchase.
 
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Panajev2001a said:
Not GN, do not depend on nVIDIA giving them HW for free. This is spiteful and controlling of nVIDIA, but if you really strongly want to blame other people blame those that desperately want to purchase things at launch and demand a review of said HW without taking any reviewer integrity into account. Stop buy HW at launch, wait for reviewer to do it, read multiple reviews from people that bought the HW themselves and then make your purchase.
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I think this outrage against nvidia being spiteful or other reviewers having lesser integrity, is just steve doing steve blowing up things for his regular programming, which need an outrage video every few weeks to keep viewers hooked

I think there's two running cases here, 1. Being the 5060 previews-review drivers access. 2. Being steve conflict with Nvidia before 5060

Looking at 1. See another so called "un-integral" preview of 5060 https://ascii.jp/elem/000/004/269/4269678/

Everything was stated up front by the writer, is it any different from DF-Nvidia collabs? Or infact any exclusive first look events? Is the resulting article that harmful to readers if it focuses on Nvidia special capabilities? Why can't Nvidia push the narrative for users to try MFG more especially for x60 cards?
 
SolidQ said:
In different countries, different prices. Here ~200$ difference between 9070XT and 5070ti. ~300$ difference between 9070 and 5070ti.
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$200 is a pretty big difference and would make 9070XT one to get… which was the whole point of OG MSRP. 9070 though is more of a 5070 competitor and not 5070Ti.

That said, depending on the price, 9070 could be quite a good card considering 16GB VRAM.
 

"After NVIDIA's huge breach of trust that we covered, we are officially opening an investigation and deep-dive into more of NVIDIA's shady business tactics. This will take a long time to put together and will be done to GN's classic standards. We are not going to let go of this bone until we fully understand the extent to which NVIDIA may strongarm businesses. Several system integrators, partners, and members of the media have approached us at Computex to inform us of underhanded dealings from NVIDIA. If you have anything to share from the view point of a business of any kind (system integrator, partner, retailer, distributor, supplier, factory, media, etc.), we want to hear from you. You can email tips at gamersnexus dot net to share. Put "NVIDIA Investigation" in the subject so we can filter. We want to know everything there is to know about NVIDIA's dealings. By default, your information will be kept anonymous and will be scrubbed for identifiable sourcing.I spoke to several people at Computex today who expressed that they have felt "threatened" by NVIDIA at various points, including non-media business partners. We want to put together the full picture of this. Thanks,"

^^from GN
 
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Celcius said:

"After NVIDIA's huge breach of trust that we covered, we are officially opening an investigation and deep-dive into more of NVIDIA's shady business tactics. This will take a long time to put together and will be done to GN's classic standards. We are not going to let go of this bone until we fully understand the extent to which NVIDIA may strongarm businesses. Several system integrators, partners, and members of the media have approached us at Computex to inform us of underhanded dealings from NVIDIA. If you have anything to share from the view point of a business of any kind (system integrator, partner, retailer, distributor, supplier, factory, media, etc.), we want to hear from you. You can email tips at gamersnexus dot net to share. Put "NVIDIA Investigation" in the subject so we can filter. We want to know everything there is to know about NVIDIA's dealings. By default, your information will be kept anonymous and will be scrubbed for identifiable sourcing.I spoke to several people at Computex today who expressed that they have felt "threatened" by NVIDIA at various points, including non-media business partners. We want to put together the full picture of this. Thanks,"

^^from GN
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Get those rat bastards, GN. Show the world how shitty Nvidia has become.
 
Celcius said:

"After NVIDIA's huge breach of trust that we covered, we are officially opening an investigation and deep-dive into more of NVIDIA's shady business tactics. This will take a long time to put together and will be done to GN's classic standards. We are not going to let go of this bone until we fully understand the extent to which NVIDIA may strongarm businesses. Several system integrators, partners, and members of the media have approached us at Computex to inform us of underhanded dealings from NVIDIA. If you have anything to share from the view point of a business of any kind (system integrator, partner, retailer, distributor, supplier, factory, media, etc.), we want to hear from you. You can email tips at gamersnexus dot net to share. Put "NVIDIA Investigation" in the subject so we can filter. We want to know everything there is to know about NVIDIA's dealings. By default, your information will be kept anonymous and will be scrubbed for identifiable sourcing.I spoke to several people at Computex today who expressed that they have felt "threatened" by NVIDIA at various points, including non-media business partners. We want to put together the full picture of this. Thanks,"

^^from GN
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Like clockwork...so predictable he is.

Reminder to watch this video, talk about Nvidia trying to shape narratives, Steve is already an expert here

 
If it was only Gamers Nexus talking about it then I could dismiss, but tons of game channels are talking about this. Besides, this isn't the first time Nvidia has pulled shady shit......
 
peish said:
Here is one german preview of 5060, that GN, HWU and the likes are bitter about. Bitter about not able to go off-tangent and doing their hate watch reviews and take the high ground


www.gamestar.de

Geforce RTX 5060 Preview mit exklusiven Benchmarks: Was könnt ihr von der neuen und bislang günstigsten Nvidia-Karte erwarten?

Wir konnten vor dem Release der RTX 5060 Benchmarks unter bestimmten Bedingungen durchführen. Was verraten sie über die neue GPU – und was nicht?
www.gamestar.de www.gamestar.de

Nothing 🍔
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I'm really tired of all the gamersnexus / Linus / Hardware unboxed gangbang youtube drama over Nvidia sneezing and having dramatic thumbnails with sad faces but to be honest that is a pretty crap review method?
I can't see 5060 without MFG?

I mean, I hope that nobody is waiting on a review of this one to decide if they buy either way. Do - not - buy - 8GB - cards - in - 2025 FFS...
 
LiquidMetal14 said:
I saw this pop up in my notifications and watched it right away. It's not that I agree or disagree with them but they are reporting things that don't require that kind of opinion. And no matter how much of a fan I am of nvidia's products, I am not a fan of the practices and play not because I have sympathy for gamers nexus. Because they have been messing around with the consumer base that help build their reputation a little bit too much.

Now, I personally don't have driver issues with them but I have a couple of friends with 50 series cards who have had some of the black screen issues specifically.

As a matter of fact, one of the reasons I don't even have a 5090 which I was ready to buy day one, is the situation we have with availability of those cards. Something which I'm glad has played out the way it has. The only way I would even get one at this point is to heavily offset the cost by selling my 4090 and having a friend volunteer to get the founders edition which is the cheapest card. It's one of those things that I'm reluctant to buy but I am also not going to spend $3,000 or more on a stupid graphics card. It's already absurd enough to say I'm spending $2, 000 but that is the tier of performance I am in and luckily I can sell some of my current things to offset a majority of those costs.

These practices from Nvidia really are spitting in the face of the people who have helped make you. And I'm not going to be one of those internet people who just piles on that has no allegiance or even cares about Nvidia products. Those people are just as bad because they're clearly biased. I am a long time and video consumer who also feels disgruntled. We're in a bit of a rock and a hard place because they offer the best performance but certainly we can be critical of the company even if we enjoy the actual hardware. At the end of the day these are human decisions and things that influence policy. Oftentimes the engineers and people that make the products, who love making those products, are not really the ones to blame.
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I had an opportunity to get a Founders 5090 at MSRP through nvidia and I turned it down and decided to stick with my 4090.

The main issue was power consumption and I was legit worried that I would melt my cable due to the high power draw as I am still using the older 12VHPWR cable.

Yes, melting cables are rare, but they do happen and I just felt that the 5090 didn't have any worthwhile architecture improvements to justify it.
 
Celcius said:

"After NVIDIA's huge breach of trust that we covered, we are officially opening an investigation and deep-dive into more of NVIDIA's shady business tactics. This will take a long time to put together and will be done to GN's classic standards. We are not going to let go of this bone until we fully understand the extent to which NVIDIA may strongarm businesses. Several system integrators, partners, and members of the media have approached us at Computex to inform us of underhanded dealings from NVIDIA. If you have anything to share from the view point of a business of any kind (system integrator, partner, retailer, distributor, supplier, factory, media, etc.), we want to hear from you. You can email tips at gamersnexus dot net to share. Put "NVIDIA Investigation" in the subject so we can filter. We want to know everything there is to know about NVIDIA's dealings. By default, your information will be kept anonymous and will be scrubbed for identifiable sourcing.I spoke to several people at Computex today who expressed that they have felt "threatened" by NVIDIA at various points, including non-media business partners. We want to put together the full picture of this. Thanks,"

^^from GN
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This right here, they were right (time stamped):



Fuck Nvidia
 
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JohnnyFootball said:
I feel like Gamers Nexus should be the LAST channel anyone dismisses when it comes to issues.
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well, given that they basically stated that they don't care about journalistic integrity, going as far as removing the word journalism from their patreon, as to not be beholden to journalistic standards anymore, I'd say there's reasons to not fully believe them anymore
 
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Buggy Loop said:
I'm really tired of all the gamersnexus / Linus / Hardware unboxed gangbang youtube drama over Nvidia sneezing and having dramatic thumbnails with sad faces but to be honest that is a pretty crap review method?
I can't see 5060 without MFG?

I mean, I hope that nobody is waiting on a review of this one to decide if they buy either way. Do - not - buy - 8GB - cards - in - 2025 FFS...
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You can here https://www.jeuxvideo.com/news/1996...t-elle-risque-fort-de-faire-parler-d-elle.htm

Also pick your poison, MFG or no MFG with ultra settings
 
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Jensen's been hanging out with Larry and signing titties for years now, he's bound to pick up a few bad habits along the way.

Gotta fund that leather jacket collection.
 
Wolzard said:
The conditions that Nvidia imposed on reviews:

  • the graphics cards tested
    • RTX 5060
    • RTX 3060
    • RTX 2060 Super
  • the games tested
    • Avowed
    • Doom: The Dark Ages
    • Marvel Rivals
    • Cyberpunk 2077
    • Hogwarts Legacy
  • the settings used
    • 1080p
    • Ultra settings
    • DLSS Quality
    • Ray tracing, ray reconstruction, and path tracing when available
    • Multi frame generation
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peish said:
You can here https://www.jeuxvideo.com/news/1996...t-elle-risque-fort-de-faire-parler-d-elle.htm

Also pick your poison, MFG or no MFG with ultra settings
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In the review you posted, exactly the conditions imposed above (games, cards, 1080p, settings etc..)

Just let it go

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Steve is a pathetic, tech-Karen, drama-queen attention-whore.

His reviews are decent, but goddamn does he like to whine and white-knight.
 
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Jinxed said:
In the review you posted, exactly the conditions imposed above (games, cards, 1080p, settings etc..)

Just let it go

No Way Reaction GIF
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What? The french site includes MFGx0, like with like to 3060 and 2060 as asked by buggy loop

I swear people got so stoked by karen steves dogmatism shenanigans , that is becoming detrimental to objective-ness.

The french even tested latency , but hey all them make unreliable data, must stick with us steves

The most remarkable thing here is to see this latency with MFG x4 compared to the DLSS 4 Quality renderings without MFG of previous generations. Overall, we see that the rendering of an RTX 5060 with MFG x4 is equivalent or even lower than the native renderings of an RTX 3060, even on games like Avowed or DOOM The Dark Ages which are completely playable regardless of generations.
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peish said:
What? The french site includes MFGx0, like with like to 3060 and 2060 as asked by buggy loop

I swear people got so stoked by karen steves dogmatism shenanigans , that is becoming detrimental to objective-ness.

The french even tested latency , but hey all them make unreliable data, must stick with us steves
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The french site applied to the letter the requirements from nvidia. Like I said, please, it's embarassing. Stop.
 
Jinxed said:
The french site applied to the letter the requirements from nvidia. Like I said, please, it's embarassing. Stop.
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Im not saying this isn't an Nvidia curated preview, because it is, everything was clear and upfront

there's nothing wrong with showing your product in good light, all intentions and purpose to inform what's happening since 2060 and 3060, with true and accurate data you cant fault

But the opportunistic vitriol twisting is silly and tiresome
 
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peish said:
I also find the whole deprecated 32bit physx amusing. Nobody cared about it for so long, now i see redditors putting dual gpus inside their crowded case, for what? Just to shove it to Nvidia?
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What kind of logic is this?

Yes we care about it now because they removed it now. If they removed it 3 years ago we would care then. Why would we care about removing physx before they removed it?
 
nkarafo said:
What kind of logic is this?

Yes we care about it now because they removed it now. If they removed it 3 years ago we would care then. Why would we care about removing physx before they removed it?
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Many of us dont. And if removing 32bit phyisx improves other areas in their driver stack or security, that's even better

My reply was a muse about cant enjoy old games without physx. Well no, you can enjoy most of your oldies still with something like 5060. Its just hilarious to see some reddiators with their 5090 and 4060 together because physix!
 
peish said:
Many of us dont. And if removing 32bit phyisx improves other areas in their driver stack or security, that's even better

My reply was a muse about cant enjoy old games without physx. Well no, you can enjoy most of your oldies still with something like 5060. Its just hilarious to see some reddiators with their 5090 and 4060 together because physix!
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You obviously don't care about older games. Removing such feature devaluates the cards even more. For some people games like the Batman Asylum series or Mirror's edge are classics. With these cards they will have to play them with reduced effects/graphics.

Sure, it may not be a massive issue since it only affects a few games but with all other issues this card has it adds up. If the card was a decent value in all other areas people would most likely let that go.
 
I saw this and Jayz twocent's videos on the subject, and what was predicted 10,15 years ago about Nvidia's dominance being a bad thing especially for us consumer's has come to pass and is getting worse, some one needs to take Nvidia on at the high end and create competition to stop them ripping off customer's which is what they are doing with the 5060, although 22 billion from AI and only 2 from games says it all, i hope these channels continue to resist Nvidia and tell us the truth, good for them.
 
nkarafo said:
You obviously don't care about older games. Removing such feature devaluates the cards even more. For some people games like the Batman Asylum series or Mirror's edge are classics. With these cards they will have to play them with reduced effects/graphics.

Sure, it may not be a massive issue since it only affects a few games but with all other issues this card has it adds up. If the card was a decent value in all other areas people would most likely let that go.
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Sure the current drivers are buggy and the single 12v2x6 was a bad choice for 600w. I don't discriminate against physx. It's just those damn youtubers and their 😱🙀

This another bully tactic using the power of the media aka collusion of techtuber buddies. Can Steve's ego get any higher? self righteous attitude creates negative news, rage farming/baiting, click farming whatever you want to call it. Lets face it, the general public will click on negative articles and videos all the time.

Laptop1991 said:
I saw this and Jayz twocent's videos on the subject, and what was predicted 10,15 years ago about Nvidia's dominance being a bad thing especially for us consumer's has come to pass and is getting worse, some one needs to take Nvidia on at the high end and create competition to stop them ripping off customer's which is what they are doing with the 5060, although 22 billion from AI and only 2 from games says it all, i hope these channels continue to resist Nvidia and tell us the truth, good for them.
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Chill man. Gaming is still nvidia 2nd highest revenue. They can talk a lot more about AI now, does not exclusively stop them from making forward looking gaming gpu.

Its also not like they use tsmc latest greatest 2nm or what not for their AI chips and trash for geforces.

If anything, this generation is slowed down by tsmc. Even affects amd ryzen 9000 which are also limited in their uplifts despite big changes to the cpu design front end.

Geforce despite the total dominance and higher srp, are still trending flat in revenue

Amd catching with Nvidia in same AI features like NRC, SR and frame generation 🙀

wccftech.com

AMD Intros FSR Redstone With Several New Features: Neural Radiance Cache, Ray Regeneration & Machine-Learning Assisted Frame Generation

AMD has unveiled its next major FSR update, called Redstone, which adds several features such as Ray Regeneration & Neural Radiance Cache.
wccftech.com wccftech.com
 
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peish said:
Sure the current drivers are buggy and the single 12v2x6 was a bad choice for 600w. I don't discriminate against physx. It's just those damn youtubers and their 😱🙀

This another bully tactic using the power of the media aka collusion of techtuber buddies. Can Steve's ego get any higher? self righteous attitude creates negative news, rage farming/baiting, click farming whatever you want to call it. Lets face it, the general public will click on negative articles and videos all the time.



Chill man. Gaming is still nvidia 2nd highest revenue. They can talk a lot more about AI now, does not exclusively stop them from making forward looking gaming gpu.

Its also not like they use tsmc latest greatest 2nm or what not for their AI chips and trash for geforces.

If anything, this generation is slowed down by tsmc. Even affects amd ryzen 9000 which are also limited in their uplifts despite big changes to the cpu design front end.

Geforce despite the total dominance and higher srp, are still trending flat in revenue

Amd catching with Nvidia in same AI features like NRC, SR and frame generation 🙀

wccftech.com

AMD Intros FSR Redstone With Several New Features: Neural Radiance Cache, Ray Regeneration & Machine-Learning Assisted Frame Generation

AMD has unveiled its next major FSR update, called Redstone, which adds several features such as Ray Regeneration & Neural Radiance Cache.
wccftech.com wccftech.com
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Nah, and i am chilled, what Nvidia is doing is wrong, simple as, if you want to blindly defend them that's up to you, i disagree and i must have bought and owned 20 Nvidia GPU's since i started gaming.
 
peish said:
Sure the current drivers are buggy and the single 12v2x6 was a bad choice for 600w. I don't discriminate against physx. It's just those damn youtubers and their 😱🙀

This another bully tactic using the power of the media aka collusion of techtuber buddies. Can Steve's ego get any higher? self righteous attitude creates negative news, rage farming/baiting, click farming whatever you want to call it. Lets face it, the general public will click on negative articles and videos all the time.



Chill man. Gaming is still nvidia 2nd highest revenue. They can talk a lot more about AI now, does not exclusively stop them from making forward looking gaming gpu.

Its also not like they use tsmc latest greatest 2nm or what not for their AI chips and trash for geforces.

If anything, this generation is slowed down by tsmc. Even affects amd ryzen 9000 which are also limited in their uplifts despite big changes to the cpu design front end.

Geforce despite the total dominance and higher srp, are still trending flat in revenue

Amd catching with Nvidia in same AI features like NRC, SR and frame generation 🙀

wccftech.com

AMD Intros FSR Redstone With Several New Features: Neural Radiance Cache, Ray Regeneration & Machine-Learning Assisted Frame Generation

AMD has unveiled its next major FSR update, called Redstone, which adds several features such as Ray Regeneration & Neural Radiance Cache.
wccftech.com wccftech.com
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lol, won't someone think of poor $Trillion Corpos being bullied by YouTubers exposing their scammy tactics. Oh no, they are all Karens for standing up for consumer rights.

The first thing on your mind shouldn't be defending the Corpos. Well, unless you get paid for it of course.

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And just for fun (probably using team green GPUs 🤣).


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Jinxed said:
Oh, the jab :messenger_grinning_sweat: (time stamped)

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He still sounds bitter Nvidia decided not to do business with him. I mean if he knew Nvidia was such scummy, why happily accept the invitation chance to create a video with their thermal engineering team just this year?

Such a small person feeling threatened with losing viewers.

Remember how he went full on attack mode on LTT just because one of LTT Labs staff commented that they will redo all their tests when reviewing new hardware, something that even GN dont.

His final "receipts" video on LTT was such a joke with just how biased GN's coverage of them was.

He is now all in with the negativity aspect. His biggest videos over the past few years have been his hit pieces, and once he found out that shitting on people equals views, it was pretty obvious where things were going.
 
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Hard to imagine me going back to Nvidia. I'm not much of a graphics hobbyist anymore, and I'm trying my hardest to not succumb to the slop scalers. Still maybe the best choice for people who call themselves graphics hobbyists and casuals who do want to be able to just turn on DLSSlop and get decent performance. But I'll be hopping on that 10 series from AMD. 9070 is very promising. I'll be looking hard at a 1070 or a gently used 9080xt.
 
StereoVsn said:
$200 is a pretty big difference and would make 9070XT one to get… which was the whole point of OG MSRP. 9070 though is more of a 5070 competitor and not 5070Ti.

That said, depending on the price, 9070 could be quite a good card considering 16GB VRAM.
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Yup, 9070/xt/5070ti u gotta look at it from subjective perspective, aka particular customer in particular country coz prices can be pretty wild sometimes between them and its all about price/perf aka value.
 
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