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[FrozenCell]

also have removed the OLED TVs from this chart, as they are measured slightly differently due to their superior abilities to produce deep black.

pointless chart then - OLED or GTFO!

I do however agree that CES is around the corner: new OLEDs will have broadcast HDR standard HLG and also HFR i.e. 120fps support

 

[DreadfulOmen]

Oh it is. There is so much misinformation in this thread that it would take hours to clean up. We already have multiple threads where people obsess over input lag without knowing how to properly test it. People compare numbers from different sources and assume they used the same measurement methods. And practically no one stops to wonder how that actually affects their gameplay experience beyond assuming "high numbers = bad." Now we're doing the same thing with HDR and brightness measurements. I feel bad for the OP as they even explained what the measurements mean and tipped a hat to the source of the measurements, yet it appears almost no one bothered to read this and instead went straight to the chart. Now we have a bunch of posts to the effect of "5000 nits will kill my eyes." Makes me wonder how many people would even notice an HDR source on display without a SDR source on display right next to it.

But it makes great fodder for baseless discussion so I guess that's something.

Yea i've been noticing this a lot. I don't think it's that hard to understand. A little bit of research can easily explain how HDR10/nits/wcg works.

 

[D23]

I just got 65ks8000 and to me this is as perfect as it goes. So I should be good for a while

 

[FarFromAnyGame]

I just got 65ks8000 and to me this is as perfect as it goes. So I should be good for a while

Waiting for mine from Samsung!

 

[jaaz]

I posted the source of the +30ms extra lag with 4k input in another thread.

Syrus, who is more likely to be right, you or a website that specializes in testing TV's?

That's a completely different Samsung model, and a 2015 model I believe. We know there are significant disparities in input lag even among TV models from the same manufacturer, particularly first generation HDR sets. I don't think you can take the +30 ms input lag at 4k on a 2015 Samsung model and apply it across the board to the entire 2016 Samsung model line.

 

[J-Rzez]

So I should not buy the LG E6 oled and just wait for next year for the 100fps LG? I doubt there will be many tvs next year better than the lg oled now unless its another oled by lg or panasonic..

This years x6P oleds are good too. Just like the EF9500 from last year. Only LG will trump themselves if they have a breakthrough.

Only TV that can compete with the OLEDs is the Z9, and even still that has light bloom/halo effect still like past FALD sets. I'm curious on its input lag as Sony the past few years threw gaming purpose lower input lag to the wind.

 

[EvB]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1330650

 

[leandrochiarello]

I'm quite happy mith my samsung 48" JU6700 and it has very good cost-benefit. The difference from my old 1080p Philco (not sure the model, sry) is clear.

4k is quite good and don't really have any complaints on its HDR, only thing is that it only has 1 HDMI HDR capable port, sometimes I have to switch the Xbox One S and PS4, but only for some games that I feel right

Maybe when those top tier get cheaper around here I'll sell mine and get a new one, but I dont really feel the need.

 

[nelchaar]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1330650

This just fortified the fact that it's a good idea to buy a cheap 4K HDR tv and then upgrade in 3 years when the 2.1 tech becomes the standard. What's the alterior, wait around for 3 years and then buy a tv? Might as well enjoy the technology right now. There will always be more advanced technology

 

[R aka Bon]

I thought the Samsung js9500 had a peak brightness of 1000 nits... kind of confusing

Besides allowing for more saturated colours and hence a larger gamut, the greater efficiency of NanoCrystal tech also permits higher brightness (37% brighter transmittance from a redesigned cell structure according to Samsung) as less light is wasted, paving the way for HDR support with the JS9500′s quoted maximum brightness of 1,000 nits.

one more

To deliver on its HDR promise, the UE65JS9500 claims a huge native brightness output of 1000 nits

am i missing something?

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/ue65js9500-201502234012.htm

http://www.trustedreviews.com/samsung-ue65js9500-review

 

[EvB]

I thought the Samsung js9500 had a peak brightness of 1000 nits... kind of confusing



one more



am i missing something?

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/ue65js9500-201502234012.htm

http://www.trustedreviews.com/samsung-ue65js9500-review

Just that perhaps that website measures differently to Samsung. Both of those links haven't measured it, rather just stated the manufacturer's measurement

 

[EvB]

This just fortified the fact that it's a good idea to buy a cheap 4K HDR tv and then upgrade in 3 years when the 2.1 tech becomes the standard. What's the alterior, wait around for 3 years and then buy a tv? Might as well enjoy the technology right now. There will always be more advanced technology

This thread was moreso intented to highlight that most of the cheap HDR TV's in fact shouldn't really be considered HDR.

Your KS8000 isn't really a cheap TV.

 

[nogoodnamesleft]

HDR this HDR that and I'm still waiting for a 4K tv that isn't made by LG to beat my 10 year old pioneer kuro


Come on Sony, I'm ready!

 

[Marty Chinn]

This just fortified the fact that it's a good idea to buy a cheap 4K HDR tv and then upgrade in 3 years when the 2.1 tech becomes the standard. What's the alterior, wait around for 3 years and then buy a tv? Might as well enjoy the technology right now. There will always be more advanced technology

No, upgrading my TV means upgrading my receiver too. To go cheap means I actually downgrade in many areas and all that for a couple years with very little content to support it only to throw both of them out a couple years later and do the upgrade again? Screw that. I'll wait with my very competent setup until proper gear in my eyes is out.

HDR this HDR that and I'm still waiting for a 4K tv that isn't made by LG to beat my 10 year old pioneer kuro

Bingo, this!

 

[Fbh]

I'm happy with my JS8500 which in that chart is among the Best from the "bad ones "
Hdr looks amazing in FFXV and I can't imagine it getting brighter (already had to turn down brightness in that one). And 4K content looks fantastic.

Then again, I got a really good deal and didn't pay too much for it .

So from my experience... If you get a good deal on a decent HDR set. Go for it.
Gaming boards will always tell you to wait on everything. When I was looking at graphic cards some time ago everyone was telling me to wait for the pascal, now I look at pascal stuff and people are already saying you should wait to hear more about some new thing that's coming (don't remember the name).
Same with TV's. You shouldn't get a 1080 set because 4K is getting cheaper, you shouldn't get a 4K because the ones with HDR at affordable prices are coming, now you shouldn't get the ones with HDr because there is better HDR coming and by the time those are affordable you probably shouldn't get one because some other feature is comming

 

[Dr_Boris_Goltz]

So from my experience... If you get a good deal on a decent HDR set. Go for it.
Gaming boards will always tell you to wait on everything. When I was looking at graphic cards some time ago everyone was telling me to wait for the pascal, now I look at pascal stuff and people are already saying you should wait to hear more about some new thing that's coming (don't remember the name).
Same with TV's. You shouldn't get a 1080 set because 4K is getting cheaper, you shouldn't get a 4K because the ones with HDR at affordable prices are coming, now you shouldn't get the ones with HDr because there is better HDR coming and by the time those are affordable you probably shouldn't get one because some other feature is comming

Yep, it's unending. I'm happy with my X800D, even though it's not very bright, the image quality is far better than the older monitor I was playing on.

When it's time to upgrade the X800d things will be even better than if I waited until the end of this year.

 

[InsaneTiger]

The new TCL C Series interests me greatly.

http://gizmodo.com/tcls-new-roku-tvs-are-some-of-the-cheapest-sets-with-hd-1790754198

 

[7DollarHagane]

How many nits of brightness equate to something like a low power handheld flashlight or something?

Seems like it could get excessive.

 

[nelchaar]

This thread was moreso intented to highlight that most of the cheap HDR TV's in fact shouldn't really be considered HDR.

Your KS8000 isn't really a cheap TV.

I got a $650 43inch Sony x800D.

 

[R aka Bon]

Just that perhaps that website measures differently to Samsung. Both of those links haven't measured it, rather just stated the manufacturer's measurement

But the graph doesn't really make much sense, as it only takes the peak brightness into account, which isn't the only factor that determines whether a set meets the criteria for Ultra HD Premium.

These are the two criterias

OPTION 1: More than 1,000 nits peak brightness and less than 0.05nits black level

OPTION 2: More than 540 nits brightness and less than 0.0005 nits black level

I did some research and the Samsung js9500 does indeed meet the criteria for Option 2.

It's just to say that the graph can be a little misleading, or it came that way to me at least.