Portugeezer
Member
Biggest issue for this is most likely time/budgets.
midnightAI
Member
In terms of what we see being output to the screen, then yes, we are approaching it and in some scenes in some games we exceeded what we see from CGI years ago.
That doesn't mean to say that we have surpassed CGI using non raytraced methods (or even raytraced methods), it just means that what we see is definitely above early CGI in its look, giving a close enough approximation of what we see from CGI (which is much more accurate obviously).
Things will improve too, as raytracing is used more and more for things other than just reflections. Global illumination and shadows becoming more commonplace will certainly help with that (I believe many engines are concentrating on this, such as Decima), volumetrics too are being improved as are realtime simulations of wind/cloud, water and particles. I think reflections will be dialed back a lot to be more realistic (currently they are over used and over reflective, kind of when other technologies started happening like bloom which when it first came our was overused and overdone massively (still is in some games).
I think part of the problem with the question is there are those who just outright dismiss it because there arent millions of rays being traced, absolutely zero aliasing, infinite polys (practically) etc. and that cannot really be achieved easily as these were done on mass render farms, taking hours for a single frame (its not quite so bad now, but still takes a long time), but really, does all that matter if the output is good enough to fool you into thinking its CGI? There is some CGI out there that is awful (low budget movie awful), but even that 'technically' is superior to realtime game graphics, but does it 'look' better? the answer to that is a no (depending on the game of course)
So basically, have we matched it? no, but its close enough to fool us into thinking we have.
That doesn't mean to say that we have surpassed CGI using non raytraced methods (or even raytraced methods), it just means that what we see is definitely above early CGI in its look, giving a close enough approximation of what we see from CGI (which is much more accurate obviously).
Things will improve too, as raytracing is used more and more for things other than just reflections. Global illumination and shadows becoming more commonplace will certainly help with that (I believe many engines are concentrating on this, such as Decima), volumetrics too are being improved as are realtime simulations of wind/cloud, water and particles. I think reflections will be dialed back a lot to be more realistic (currently they are over used and over reflective, kind of when other technologies started happening like bloom which when it first came our was overused and overdone massively (still is in some games).
I think part of the problem with the question is there are those who just outright dismiss it because there arent millions of rays being traced, absolutely zero aliasing, infinite polys (practically) etc. and that cannot really be achieved easily as these were done on mass render farms, taking hours for a single frame (its not quite so bad now, but still takes a long time), but really, does all that matter if the output is good enough to fool you into thinking its CGI? There is some CGI out there that is awful (low budget movie awful), but even that 'technically' is superior to realtime game graphics, but does it 'look' better? the answer to that is a no (depending on the game of course)
So basically, have we matched it? no, but its close enough to fool us into thinking we have.
RoadHazard
Gold Member
Indeed the studios good at graphics are progressing nicely.
But art style is as important as fidelity for me. The real wow moment and true next gen feeling to date is still Demon's Soul remake. The combination of well baked graphics, particle effects, lights and Dualsense haptic feedback created the true next gen experience for me. Hard to believe it's been four years.
It's hard to believe because it hasn't. It has been three years and three months.
But I agree it's still one of the most impressive things I've played this generation. Very consistent high asset quality etc.
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Aaron Olive
Member
Surprised DF hasn't done a video about the state of gaming coming to midpoint of the life cycle and what to look forward to in the future.
I found these hidden gems on UE YouTube channel and they look Amazing, also a short film project named Capture from Vincent Toujas
I found these hidden gems on UE YouTube channel and they look Amazing, also a short film project named Capture from Vincent Toujas
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HighPoly
Banned
PERFECT !
Well, I think we are touching PS2 CGi level, except by cloth physcis, cause I don't really know what is the trick behind it...
Maybe higher polygon count, to make them flexible enough to create a physical reaction?
I mean, one character today, usually has 120k polygons...
I think we need another 120k polygon, only to make t-shirts and pants reacting flexibly to physics...
Don't know if 240k ~ 360k polygon is the bet for current gen consoles, or even the next gen!
We have things like photogrammetry, and this technology eliminates the massive use of polygons, making more resources to use on hair and clothes!
Well, in the end of the day, the most important thing is, how does it look like?
I mean, Art Style is extremely important... Look how beautiful Mario Odyssey looks like, running with low poly characters.
Or how beautiful Crash Bandicoot and Spyro The Dragon Remake looks like, even with less polygons than any indie game today.
So, what's your opinion, about what I said? Do you think we've at least surpassed 90's PSONE cgi ?
RE2 Remake and RE3 Remake surpassed the original CGi level? Whats next?
What to excpect from the next Ratchet Clank for example?
HighPoly
Banned
this game is beautiful, but it seems like PS5 could make even more!
DS2 and Wolverine will bring us the reality of this new generation.. I hope..
Blood Borne
Member
Damn. You just reminded me of the legendary Onimusha 3 opening.
It's been years since I've seen it. Going to watch it now.
HighPoly
Banned
It's confusing, I mean, we are running PS2 CGi, but when we compare to Toy Story 1 and 2, we don't believe it, even being 90's CGi...
Are we running Toy Story 1 and 2 and PS2 CGi ?
Audiophile
Member
That's damn impressive, my brain knows it's not real but the uncanny valley is almost gone.
Feels more convincing overall than most CGI versions of actors like Leia and Tarkin in Rogue One or young Jeff Bridges in Tron: Legacy.
The power required to do this in-engine in a mainstream title is probably just round the corner; beyond that it just seems to be a case of one more push on the systems and artistry front.
For about half the duration of that clip I found myself intermittently thinking: "is that real? have they secretly merged some real footage in?".
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Redneckerz
Those long posts don't cover that red neck boy
You aren't addressing anything i said.
To quote The Rock: ''It doesn't matter''. It all comes down to what artists want to set or to achieve.
You should join Sony then. I am sure their daily bulletin featuring HighPoly will be most useful to them.
E-Cat
Member
I think FFX CGI also has better lighting than any real-time game today. FF Spirit Within has superior image quality / a "clean" look thanks to micropolygon rendering.
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HighPoly
Banned
Yes, I understand when you speak about image quality, but we always need to forget when talking about real time rendering
Except when consoles start running native 8k with no DLSS or FSR...
But I think we're starting to play games with PS2 CGi level, I mean, except by fact consoles are not able of making Path Tracing, even on a small scenario...
Don't know how it looks when we put path tracing on Alan Wake 2, using RTX 4090, but that must be the closest FFX CGi visual for now...
Maybe Hellblade 2, DS2, Alan Wake 2, Crysis 4, Pragmata, Next Resindent Evil, Insomaniac Wolverine, Naughty Dog's ip and Bend Studios ip, will bring us FFX CGi level...
But we need to consider FFX-2, that is so far ahead from what we can get now... Yeah, we have a long road to match PS3 CGi in real time, and maybe the next step are all those PIXAR and Dreamworks movies, between 2001 to 2005... Only on next gen consoles...
I can't imagine PS5 or Series X rendering this Millions of blue Sullivan hair, in real time...
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