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Games will take 6-12 months (and sometimes longer) to come to GamePass Standard
Nydius
Member
Game Pass Ultimate Subscribers Make up 70-80% of Total Game Pass Users
A recent statistic regarding Game Pass Ultimate has been revealed that may surprise some gamers who subscribe to the Game Pass service.fandomwire.com
Probably a little more skewed now that Gold -> Core is also counted in GP, but still likely the overwhelming majority.
I'm calling bullshit. Did you even read the laughable article you linked? They provide no source, offer dubious claims based off some survey they don't even publish data from. Microsoft themselves don't release numbers, the only reason we know the numbers we do is thanks to the FTC leaks and then their recent announcement of Game Pass subscribers in February 2024 (which turned out to be an almost identical number to the total number of subscribers from the leaks dated April 2022).
They certainly didn't split the number of Ultimate/Console/Core/PC.
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Topher
said, the last number they announced was 34M which included the 11.8M that had been "Xbox Live Gold" but are now Game Pass Core. That figure alone destroys the "70-80%" number because almost a full third are Game Pass Core only.Edit:
Yeah, that document doesn't back up the article's claims either.
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ChorizoPicozo
Member
Phil Spencer trying to run a successful business for the first time in his life.
BennyBlanco
aka IMurRIVAL69
In order for this new plan to work they actually have to make games that people want to play in a steady rhythm
If I got the highest tier of GP this year what extra would that get me? Hellblade 2….. and uhhh… CoD? Pass.
I used GP on PC for a few years but the launcher is so frustrating and bad. I unsubbed for that alone and haven’t really missed it at all. Humble Choice is better value IMO because you keep the games forever and Steam Deck support.
If I got the highest tier of GP this year what extra would that get me? Hellblade 2….. and uhhh… CoD? Pass.
I used GP on PC for a few years but the launcher is so frustrating and bad. I unsubbed for that alone and haven’t really missed it at all. Humble Choice is better value IMO because you keep the games forever and Steam Deck support.
Mr.Phoenix
Member
I don't know why people say this... Steam is a far easier problem to tackle than Playstation. MS just threw almost $100B at their PlayStation problem and its made no difference whatsoever. Hell, its even gotten worse to the point they have to release games on PlayStation.
As for Steam, its MS incompetence that not only even necessitates the existence of something like Steam on their own OS... but that makes them not be able to compete with them. Because their steam problem is the one thing they can fix with money.
All they need to do is make a service that matches Steam, and has similar features, and offer better prices and deals, and lastly, has the added benefit of their game catalog and day 1 options. I reckon doing that would cost them a lot less than $100B. And just to show you how stupid MS is, they left their own house and playground, where they hold all the cards and have the most access and resources, and let steam come in and plant its flag, then went to a completely different industry to go fight with PlayStation... and have been doing that shit for almost 25 years... and all the while... steam has been getting bigger and stronger.
If there was ever a war by attrition MS could fight and win, its with steam... not PlayStation. But as I said, MS is stupid.
Bernardougf
Member
At this point Il would like to really know who lost more money to their company Phil Spencer or Kathleen Kennedy ... at least KK fucks up in the name of her political and feminist agenda ... Phil just fuck ups in sheer incompetence.
Phil Spencer trying to run a successful business for the first time in his life.
And more important... how the fuck they keep their jobs iron tight
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bender
What time is it?
I'm calling bullshit. Did you even read the laughable article you linked? They provide no source, offer dubious claims based off some survey they don't even publish data from. Microsoft themselves don't release numbers, the only reason we know the numbers we do is thanks to the FTC leaks and then their recent announcement of Game Pass subscribers in February 2024 (which turned out to be an almost identical number to the total number of subscribers from the leaks dated April 2022).
They certainly didn't split the number of Ultimate/Console/Core/PC.
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I think 70-80% of the pre-conversion (Gold -> Core) number (~25M) is probably a reasonable just based on the assumption that most people would want online play. /wild-ass speculation
Mr Moose
Member
I'm calling bullshit. Did you even read the laughable article you linked? They provide no source, offer dubious claims based off some survey they don't even publish data from. Microsoft themselves don't release numbers, the only reason we know the numbers we do is thanks to the FTC leaks and then their recent announcement of Game Pass subscribers in February 2024 (which turned out to be an almost identical number to the total number of subscribers from the leaks dated April 2022).
They certainly didn't split the number of Ultimate/Console/Core/PC.
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Yeah, that document doesn't back up the article's claims either.
Wasn't this before Core was a thing? So that vague ass "nearly 70-80%" will be less now.
Edit: Yup: Date: 15/05/2023
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Deleted member 848825
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Everytime he crashes his dads (Nadella) car, he gets applauded too.
Phil Spencer trying to run a successful business for the first time in his life.
Tal Shiar Agent
Banned
Bumblebeetuna
Member
Makes sense, even at $20 a month it’s great value if you play online.
But anyone wanting to sub for a month, just check key sites. Routinely find one month codes for $4-7
Topher
Identifies as young
I'm calling bullshit. Did you even read the laughable article you linked? They provide no source, offer dubious claims based off some survey they don't even publish data from. Microsoft themselves don't release numbers, the only reason we know the numbers we do is thanks to the FTC leaks and then their recent announcement of Game Pass subscribers in February 2024 (which turned out to be an almost identical number to the total number of subscribers from the leaks dated April 2022).
They certainly didn't split the number of Ultimate/Console/Core/PC.
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Yeah, that document doesn't back up the article's claims either.
Yeah, those numbers make sense prior to Gold merging into Game Pass, but clearly the percentage is a bit lower now.
Mr Reasonable
Completely Unreasonable
This is something that's constantly overlooked. Just to get online with PSPlus essential / Gamepass Core is $10/month.
Topher
Identifies as young
Yeah, but what is also overlooked is that Essential/Core both have annual options that bring them both down into the $6/month range.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
The source of the numbers isn't 'some survey', it's part of the European Commission report that came out last year when the whole acquisition hooplah was happening. And like I already said, the number is probably skewed now that Core is counted, but that still leaves Ultimate as the majority of the percentage of people who subscribe to the service.
"With Game Pass Ultimate, which accounts for nearly [70-80]% of the current [...] million Game Pass subscribers"
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Topher
Identifies as young
The source of the numbers isn't 'some survey', it's part of the European Commission report that came out last year when the whole acquisition hooplah was happening.
Yeah,
Mr Moose
provided that and those are numbers prior to the merger of Gold into Game Pass so they no longer apply.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Yeah,
Yes, I said as much in the post you quoted:
It's still the clear majority of the subscribers out of the 4 tiers (PC, Console, Core, Ultimate).
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WhamBamThankYouMaam
Member
So, splitting the playerbase huh?
Topher
Identifies as young
That's not just GPU. That's 65% of all Game Pass subscribers. A majority, yes. An "overwhelming majority"? No.
Here's the math:
34 million GP/XLG subscribers combined reported in February
12 million XLG subscribers estimated by Daniel Ahmad
22 million GP subscribers out of that 34 million
17.6 million GPU subscribers. 80% of 22 million
51.7% GPU subscribers of the total 34 million now in GP
That's actually barely a majority.
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semiconscious
Member
i've been doing this with current game pass for a year now. played starfield & persona 3 reload. if they disable the ability to do this, that'd be it for me with game pass...
Topher
Identifies as young
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Game Pass sub count was 25 million in 2022
80% would make it roughly 20~ million GPU subs
Gold count was 11.7 in 2022
Assuming GPU has remained static between then and now and is still roughly 20~ million out of the total 34 million, that puts GPU at roughly ~60% of the total game pass install base (58.8 to be specific)
Not a text book version of overwhelming majority but still a very comfortable majority.
dragonyeuw
Member
6 months, 12 months, 3 years, somewhere in there.....
jshackles
Gentlemen, we can rebuild it. We have the capability to make the world's first enhanced store. Steam will be that store. Better than it was before.
Now that Ultimate is $20 a month, you're typically better off just buying those "day one" releases that interest you for full price.
When I decided to cancel my Game Pass sub a few months ago, it's because I sat down to run the numbers and realized that paying $15 a month didn't really pencil out for the 3-4 games a year I was playing on the service and that I would have come out way ahead by simply buying the games I wanted - with the added bonus of being able to keep them when I cancelled. At least before (when Games with Gold was a thing) I got a few games a month that I got to keep playing as long as I paid up - and that got traded for games that I was essentially on a timetable to finish as it is always unclear how long they'll be a part of the subscription.
Well, it couldn't last forever. Just like everything else these days, the price is going up and the quality is getting worse.
When I decided to cancel my Game Pass sub a few months ago, it's because I sat down to run the numbers and realized that paying $15 a month didn't really pencil out for the 3-4 games a year I was playing on the service and that I would have come out way ahead by simply buying the games I wanted - with the added bonus of being able to keep them when I cancelled. At least before (when Games with Gold was a thing) I got a few games a month that I got to keep playing as long as I paid up - and that got traded for games that I was essentially on a timetable to finish as it is always unclear how long they'll be a part of the subscription.
Well, it couldn't last forever. Just like everything else these days, the price is going up and the quality is getting worse.
bender
What time is it?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
I think that was in reference to Modern Warfare 3 coming to game pass.
Still is
splattered
Member
Maybe Gamepass Family also finally getting announced 30 bucks a month for 5 sharable accounts and games day one... I would convert over to that immediately to cover the wife and kids all in one sub.
Topher
Identifies as young
Obviously the Game Pass sub numbers dropped from 2022 to this year based on the numbers we have. 34 current GP - 11.7 leaves 22.3 million. Not 25 million. 80% of that is 17.84 at most. As
bender
correctly points out, the floor would be 70% which would be 15.61 million. So an accurate estimate of GPU based on these numbers is between 45.9% and 52.4%.So it is questionable whether there is even a majority at all, much less claiming it is a "comfortable majority".
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
There hasn't been any press release, just a support page.
And the support page says 'some games' will not be available day one, not all games.
I think this will only effect the bigger franchises like CoD, Gears etc. Not all of the first party or third party day 1 game pass output.
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
god look at that math. if i was a girl you'd make me wet tophey
bender
What time is it?
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Dr. Wilkinson
Member
So now there's three catalogues of Game Pass libraries. Yeesh. Shit is getting confusing.
Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
There hasn't been any press release, just a support page.
And the support page says 'some games' will not be available day one, not all games.
I think this will only effect the bigger franchises like CoD, Gears etc. Not all of the first party or third party day 1 game pass output.
I'm pretty sure that section isn't refering to day one releases. The question is will all games available on ultimate also be available on standard day one when it launches
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
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Ass of Can Whooping
Gold Member
Go home ass, u r drunk.
Either they're refering to something else, or they're contradicting themselves
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Either they're refering to something else, or they're contradicting themselves
Likely things like EA Play which is only in Ultimate. Or could be more, we won't know for sure until they start rolling it out.
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JackMcGunns
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YeulEmeralda
Linux User
I play games 3 years later but by then they're on deep discount anyway. Sales exist.
DJ12
Member
And it says right there, may be addedThere hasn't been any press release, just a support page.
And the support page says 'some games' will not be available day one, not all games.
I think this will only effect the bigger franchises like CoD, Gears etc. Not all of the first party or third party day 1 game pass output.
Implying some might not be added.
XXL
Member
Nice catch! That is definitely leaving the door open for not bringing stuff over at all.
Dr. Wilkinson
Member
The only way this makes sense I think is if games launch on PS5 and standard on the same day. There should be some benefit to owning an Xbox if you’re not an Ultimate subscriber
bender
What time is it?
Is the Game Pass Standard Tier a good or bad idea.
MAKE UP YOUR MIND!
CherryFalls
Banned
they just announced the best game lineup we've seen this gen from any console, you cant expect to get all that value at its current low price point.